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The Retro Pizza PALACE resturaunt concept + Kickstarter; Formerly Retro Pizza Zone
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Topic Started: Aug 12 2015, 01:57 AM (1,302 Views)
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Aug 12 2015, 01:57 AM
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--NOTE, RETRO PIZZA ZONE IS A PLACE HOLDER NAME FOR THE RESTURAUNT. PLEASE SUGGEST NEW NAMES BELOW--
Greetings, my peeps! I think. after last time, I'm not sure
Anyway, I come to you with the....well....I don't know! its a restaurant, retro arcade, and bar. before you say, NO this is not a FEC. it isn't aimed to family primarily. that's why there is a bar. also the RAE will preform more pop hits, from all eras. with the swearing or not. but I'm getting too ahead of myself.
oh yeah. there'll be 3 main rooms (the ones usually accessed by patrons). a main dining area with a RAE. either full. mini, or moon rockers.
next: the arcade. Got to have an arcade. with several classic arcade games and pinball tables. Also a coin-operated Uncle Klunk on his own little stage. or maybe Beach bear and Dook, or something.
lastly, the bar. it's a bar. serving both alcoholic and non alcoholic drinks. also it'll have some "cabaret" style arcade games ( ttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Centipede_Cabaret_Arcade_Game.jpg ) also will have more Coin-Op bots. depending on what RAE we get. either Wolfman and J-Fatz or Rolfe/earl or something. also, a Gift Shop where you could buy some dolls or maybe some CD's or something.
Advertising: studying the faults of previous places with the RAE, I decided that the major fault was the over reliance on Showbiz nostalgia. this is why the RAE isn't RPZ's main focus, but they will be present in ads. I had an idea for a local commercial called the "something for everybody" campaign. because it has, well...something for everybody!
Kickstarter: not up yet, I wanted to get all the feedbacks before putting it up.
ALT Ver: depends on what is available, it may be possible as mentioned that we will have a Mini-stage RAE and the rest of the bots in the bar and arcade. also a version with the moon rockers instead of the RAE, called the Alien Arcade.
Is this one better? please let it be! I tried so hard to fix the holes in my plans. At least with this plan I got a few people to come back on my side. also I know barcades work, there are many open.
Now, if you guys have any questions, please try to be polite and not shoot my plan down automatically. I think I had one automatic supporter and they said that the reason they were supporting was that everyone was being so negative.
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Aug 12 2015, 09:31 AM
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thats a good idea
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Aug 12 2015, 10:29 AM
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I don't think the problem with past attempts was a reliance on nostalgia. The problem was that previous restaurants were geared to kids in an attempt to just directly recreate Showbiz as an FEC. That ship has sailed and those restaurants have flopped. But 80's nostalgia is hot right now. 80's kids are trying to recapture their youth and share it with their own kids. A creative person could tap into that with a family nostalgia themed restaurant that plays 80's oldies, is decorated with 80's pictures and movie posters, TV's playing 80's TV, a retro arcade, and the RAE front and center doing their thing every half hour. Locate this in a high tourist area. Your competition wouldn't be CEC, but Rainforest Cafe, Hard Rock Cafe, and Planet Hollywood type themed restaurants. I wouldn't clutter it up with a lot of other bots that most people aren't familiar with. I'd just make the RAE part of an overall 80's nostalgia themed restaurant. Unless you wanted to go with an animatronics themed restaurant. Then I'd fill it up with bots. But that would be a niche market at best.
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WF72
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Aug 12 2015, 12:16 PM
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Finally, so nice to have some acceptance. Good idea, Retrogirl, I'll consider that.
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Aug 12 2015, 06:32 PM
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I don't think the problem with past attempts was a reliance on nostalgia. The problem was that previous restaurants were geared to kids in an attempt to just directly recreate Showbiz as an FEC. That ship has sailed and those restaurants have flopped. But 80's nostalgia is hot right now. 80's kids are trying to recapture their youth and share it with their own kids. A creative person could tap into that with a family nostalgia themed restaurant that plays 80's oldies, is decorated with 80's pictures and movie posters, TV's playing 80's TV, a retro arcade, and the RAE front and center doing their thing every half hour. Locate this in a high tourist area. Your competition wouldn't be CEC, but Rainforest Cafe, Hard Rock Cafe, and Planet Hollywood type themed restaurants. I wouldn't clutter it up with a lot of other bots that most people aren't familiar with. I'd just make the RAE part of an overall 80's nostalgia themed restaurant. Unless you wanted to go with an animatronics themed restaurant. Then I'd fill it up with bots. But that would be a niche market at best. Agreed on that. The 80s nostalgia train has been rolling down the line for a while now, longer than I would've thought it would have! I didn't live in the 80s but I'm so glad all this nostalgia exists for it. It lets me have a small window into the past.
And if the nostalgia evolves? If the 90s are the next fad years, or the 70s, or whatever decade? The establishment could evolve to cater to that.
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Aug 12 2015, 09:49 PM
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I don't think the problem with past attempts was a reliance on nostalgia. The problem was that previous restaurants were geared to kids in an attempt to just directly recreate Showbiz as an FEC. That ship has sailed and those restaurants have flopped. But 80's nostalgia is hot right now. 80's kids are trying to recapture their youth and share it with their own kids. A creative person could tap into that with a family nostalgia themed restaurant that plays 80's oldies, is decorated with 80's pictures and movie posters, TV's playing 80's TV, a retro arcade, and the RAE front and center doing their thing every half hour. Locate this in a high tourist area. Your competition wouldn't be CEC, but Rainforest Cafe, Hard Rock Cafe, and Planet Hollywood type themed restaurants. I wouldn't clutter it up with a lot of other bots that most people aren't familiar with. I'd just make the RAE part of an overall 80's nostalgia themed restaurant. Unless you wanted to go with an animatronics themed restaurant. Then I'd fill it up with bots. But that would be a niche market at best.
Agreed on that. The 80s nostalgia train has been rolling down the line for a while now, longer than I would've thought it would have! I didn't live in the 80s but I'm so glad all this nostalgia exists for it. It lets me have a small window into the past. And if the nostalgia evolves? If the 90s are the next fad years, or the 70s, or whatever decade? The establishment could evolve to cater to that. Well, yeah. Actually, just take a whole generalized nostalgia approach with the decor and ambiance reflecting a general mix of things that would interest young to middle aged adults with families. The RAE, while being an 80's era nostalgia act now, were definitely doing 50's and 60's nostalgia in their time.
Oldies radio used to be 50's and 60's music. A few years ago it became 60's and 70's music as the adult population began to age up. Now it's mostly 70's and 80's with a smattering of late 60's and early 90's thrown in. The RAE can adapt to that.
Classic board games and albums on the wall. Classic arcade games. Classic TV. Classic RAE.
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Aug 12 2015, 10:10 PM
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Greetings my Chuck Enemies and Rock-afans (wow that just sounded dumb)
So as y'all may recall, recently i posted a topic about a resturaunt i plan to Crowd Fund. Now I'm here with updates. i also have a question, should i custom program the RAE to play 80's songs or just play a bunch of 80's showtapes? also i know that if used in public for a long time, RAE's begin to deteriorate. that's why i had an idea that i think will work out. Weekly animatronic check ups! every Sunday. also going to Just In Case own multiple masks of each character. or maybe monthly. I don't know, what do you guys think?
also, i have a preview link of the Kickstarter! Link here: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/looneybird/1461367528?token=d86b9580 Things to come: Video. Art by: Rockin_Rolfe on instagram, Hit The Cymbal here (but he hasn't posted anything yet.) Don't forget to leave feedback!
also yeah. i need a new name for it. don't want people to get confused. my friend said The Rock-afire Pizza Palace, but what do you guys think?
Thank you!
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Aug 12 2015, 10:12 PM
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And is it possible there could be a WWF Replica Championship Belt or two?
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Aug 12 2015, 10:23 PM
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And is it possible there could be a WWF Replica Championship Belt or two? Why not? WWF/WWE was a pretty big thing and still is as far as I know. Wrestling, like boxing, is a multi-generational thing.
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Aug 12 2015, 10:29 PM
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And is it possible there could be a WWF Replica Championship Belt or two?
Why not? WWF/WWE was a pretty big thing and still is as far as I know. Wrestling, like boxing, is a multi-generational thing. good point! the 3 main 80's belts. The Winged Eagle, Intercontinental, and Tag Team http://w11.zetaboards.com/Retro_Pizza_Zone/topic/11280393/1/#new new thread with some updates!
eh, whatever. ill just post the info right............here:
I have a question, should i custom program the RAE to play 80's songs or just play a bunch of 80's showtapes?
Also i know that if used in public for a long time, RAE's begin to deteriorate. that's why i had an idea that i think will work out. Weekly animatronic check ups! every Sunday. also going to Just In Case own multiple masks of each character. or maybe monthly. I don't know, what do you guys think?
also, i have a preview link of the Kickstarter! Link here: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/looneybird/1461367528?token=d86b9580
Things to come: Video.
Art by: Rockin_Rolfe on instagram, Hit The Cymbal here (but he hasn't posted anything yet.)
Don't forget to leave feedback to the kickstarter!
also yeah. i need a new name for it. don't want people to get confused. my friend said The Rock-afire Pizza Palace, but what do you guys think?
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Aug 12 2015, 11:21 PM
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Well, of course this is all hypothetical as far as this forum is concerned. We don't throw our support or endorsement to any outside projects. And, the more quickly you remove our name from the project, the happier we'll be.
But, if you were hypothetically going to pursue such a project, you would not be able to use the Rock-afire in the restaurant's name without Aaron's permission. There would also be legalities with using the copyrighted characters and show tapes. Then you have to take into account music licensing. CEC and Showbiz had a problem with that until blanket licenses were worked out with ASCAP and BMI.
It's not just as simple as buying an RAE and setting up a place to show them off. Kickstarter won't even get you started on funding for a restaurant. That stuff is expensive and requires enough capital to cover expenses for 6 years. It takes that long for most restaurants to become profitable.
And.. no offense, but you would really want polished, professionally produced art in your presentations.
But, I do think someone with experience in restaurant management, and who understands the legalities of copyright permissions and trademarks is missing an opportunity.
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Aug 12 2015, 11:42 PM
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Well, of course this is all hypothetical as far as this forum is concerned. We don't throw our support or endorsement to any outside projects. And, the more quickly you remove our name from the project, the happier we'll be.
But, if you were hypothetically going to pursue such a project, you would not be able to use the Rock-afire in the restaurant's name without Aaron's permission. There would also be legalities with using the copyrighted characters and show tapes. Then you have to take into account music licensing. CEC and Showbiz had a problem with that until blanket licenses were worked out with ASCAP and BMI.
It's not just as simple as buying an RAE and setting up a place to show them off. Kickstarter won't even get you started on funding for a restaurant. That stuff is expensive and requires enough capital to cover expenses for 6 years. It takes that long for most restaurants to become profitable.
And.. no offense, but you would really want polished, professionally produced art in your presentations.
But, I do think someone with experience in restaurant management, and who understands the legalities of copyright permissions and trademarks is missing an opportunity.
Got it, I'll ask Aaron.
Im not so sure of the licensing issue tho. Did Bubba Sparxxx have an issue when Chris programmed his Rae to preform miss new booty? Or panic at the disco when BBWL custom programmed their Rae to preform 9 in the afternoon? Don't mean to sound rude.
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Aug 13 2015, 06:40 AM
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Those songs could have been under Parody/Fair Use.
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Aug 13 2015, 10:07 AM
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Well, of course this is all hypothetical as far as this forum is concerned. We don't throw our support or endorsement to any outside projects. And, the more quickly you remove our name from the project, the happier we'll be.
But, if you were hypothetically going to pursue such a project, you would not be able to use the Rock-afire in the restaurant's name without Aaron's permission. There would also be legalities with using the copyrighted characters and show tapes. Then you have to take into account music licensing. CEC and Showbiz had a problem with that until blanket licenses were worked out with ASCAP and BMI.
It's not just as simple as buying an RAE and setting up a place to show them off. Kickstarter won't even get you started on funding for a restaurant. That stuff is expensive and requires enough capital to cover expenses for 6 years. It takes that long for most restaurants to become profitable.
And.. no offense, but you would really want polished, professionally produced art in your presentations.
But, I do think someone with experience in restaurant management, and who understands the legalities of copyright permissions and trademarks is missing an opportunity.
Got it, I'll ask Aaron. Im not so sure of the licensing issue tho. Did Bubba Sparxxx have an issue when Chris programmed his Rae to preform miss new booty? Or panic at the disco when BBWL custom programmed their Rae to preform 9 in the afternoon? Don't mean to sound rude. Maybe not. But legally they could have. Especially once Chris started using it in his restaurant. Most artists overlook amateur use, even when it's a violation of copyright. Once you start making a profit from it, the whole game changes.
The parody/fair use argument was the one CEC/Showbiz tried to use initially. It was determined that just reproducing the songs for performance by an animatronic band did not constitute parody, but was actually a public performance of the work. Use of backing tracks to sing to gives permission for amateur performance only. Charging admission of any kind, or use in a business setting, requires professional license. Using prerecorded music in restaurants, even playing over the sound system, requires professional performance licenses. And, as expensive as the licenses are, the fines are even worse if you get caught. And it's pretty easy to get caught.
An example, one local town was playing music over the sound system for events in their public parks. They were warned by an employee that they should probably get a blanket music license. They brushed it off as too expensive. Sometime later a ASCAP employee attended one of their events. They soon got hit with a legal notice that they had a choice: purchase a license or pay a hefty fine for each infraction. They now have a license.
Just playing movies on the TV can require royalty payments. If you charge for anything, it is considered a public showing of the movie. Exceptions are made for educational purposes.
My singing group uses tracks to perform with. We don't charge for our services, so we fall under the amateur performance rights. If we went professional, depending on how much money we made, we would have to license each song we perform, and if we made a CD for sale, we'd have to pay for recording rights as well. It's one of the reasons we've chosen not to go pro, even when people say we should.
Doing music legally is expensive.
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Aug 13 2015, 01:43 PM
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Well, of course this is all hypothetical as far as this forum is concerned. We don't throw our support or endorsement to any outside projects. And, the more quickly you remove our name from the project, the happier we'll be.
But, if you were hypothetically going to pursue such a project, you would not be able to use the Rock-afire in the restaurant's name without Aaron's permission. There would also be legalities with using the copyrighted characters and show tapes. Then you have to take into account music licensing. CEC and Showbiz had a problem with that until blanket licenses were worked out with ASCAP and BMI.
It's not just as simple as buying an RAE and setting up a place to show them off. Kickstarter won't even get you started on funding for a restaurant. That stuff is expensive and requires enough capital to cover expenses for 6 years. It takes that long for most restaurants to become profitable.
And.. no offense, but you would really want polished, professionally produced art in your presentations.
But, I do think someone with experience in restaurant management, and who understands the legalities of copyright permissions and trademarks is missing an opportunity.
Got it, I'll ask Aaron. Im not so sure of the licensing issue tho. Did Bubba Sparxxx have an issue when Chris programmed his Rae to preform miss new booty? Or panic at the disco when BBWL custom programmed their Rae to preform 9 in the afternoon? Don't mean to sound rude.
Maybe not. But legally they could have. Especially once Chris started using it in his restaurant. Most artists overlook amateur use, even when it's a violation of copyright. Once you start making a profit from it, the whole game changes. The parody/fair use argument was the one CEC/Showbiz tried to use initially. It was determined that just reproducing the songs for performance by an animatronic band did not constitute parody, but was actually a public performance of the work. Use of backing tracks to sing to gives permission for amateur performance only. Charging admission of any kind, or use in a business setting, requires professional license. Using prerecorded music in restaurants, even playing over the sound system, requires professional performance licenses. And, as expensive as the licenses are, the fines are even worse if you get caught. And it's pretty easy to get caught. An example, one local town was playing music over the sound system for events in their public parks. They were warned by an employee that they should probably get a blanket music license. They brushed it off as too expensive. Sometime later a ASCAP employee attended one of their events. They soon got hit with a legal notice that they had a choice: purchase a license or pay a hefty fine for each infraction. They now have a license. Just playing movies on the TV can require royalty payments. If you charge for anything, it is considered a public showing of the movie. Exceptions are made for educational purposes. My singing group uses tracks to perform with. We don't charge for our services, so we fall under the amateur performance rights. If we went professional, depending on how much money we made, we would have to license each song we perform, and if we made a CD for sale, we'd have to pay for recording rights as well. It's one of the reasons we've chosen not to go pro, even when people say we should. Doing music legally is expensive. Agreed, but still does bbwl have blanket agreements? They have these songs.
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Aug 13 2015, 02:01 PM
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Well, of course this is all hypothetical as far as this forum is concerned. We don't throw our support or endorsement to any outside projects. And, the more quickly you remove our name from the project, the happier we'll be.
But, if you were hypothetically going to pursue such a project, you would not be able to use the Rock-afire in the restaurant's name without Aaron's permission. There would also be legalities with using the copyrighted characters and show tapes. Then you have to take into account music licensing. CEC and Showbiz had a problem with that until blanket licenses were worked out with ASCAP and BMI.
It's not just as simple as buying an RAE and setting up a place to show them off. Kickstarter won't even get you started on funding for a restaurant. That stuff is expensive and requires enough capital to cover expenses for 6 years. It takes that long for most restaurants to become profitable.
And.. no offense, but you would really want polished, professionally produced art in your presentations.
But, I do think someone with experience in restaurant management, and who understands the legalities of copyright permissions and trademarks is missing an opportunity.
Got it, I'll ask Aaron. Im not so sure of the licensing issue tho. Did Bubba Sparxxx have an issue when Chris programmed his Rae to preform miss new booty? Or panic at the disco when BBWL custom programmed their Rae to preform 9 in the afternoon? Don't mean to sound rude.
Maybe not. But legally they could have. Especially once Chris started using it in his restaurant. Most artists overlook amateur use, even when it's a violation of copyright. Once you start making a profit from it, the whole game changes. The parody/fair use argument was the one CEC/Showbiz tried to use initially. It was determined that just reproducing the songs for performance by an animatronic band did not constitute parody, but was actually a public performance of the work. Use of backing tracks to sing to gives permission for amateur performance only. Charging admission of any kind, or use in a business setting, requires professional license. Using prerecorded music in restaurants, even playing over the sound system, requires professional performance licenses. And, as expensive as the licenses are, the fines are even worse if you get caught. And it's pretty easy to get caught. An example, one local town was playing music over the sound system for events in their public parks. They were warned by an employee that they should probably get a blanket music license. They brushed it off as too expensive. Sometime later a ASCAP employee attended one of their events. They soon got hit with a legal notice that they had a choice: purchase a license or pay a hefty fine for each infraction. They now have a license. Just playing movies on the TV can require royalty payments. If you charge for anything, it is considered a public showing of the movie. Exceptions are made for educational purposes. My singing group uses tracks to perform with. We don't charge for our services, so we fall under the amateur performance rights. If we went professional, depending on how much money we made, we would have to license each song we perform, and if we made a CD for sale, we'd have to pay for recording rights as well. It's one of the reasons we've chosen not to go pro, even when people say we should. Doing music legally is expensive.
Agreed, but still does bbwl have blanket agreements? They have these songs. The reason Bil bibs winderlund doesn't get sued is because they are small. If they were a namE brand with 50 restraunt ants, then people would get onto them.
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Aug 13 2015, 04:55 PM
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Well, of course this is all hypothetical as far as this forum is concerned. We don't throw our support or endorsement to any outside projects. And, the more quickly you remove our name from the project, the happier we'll be.
But, if you were hypothetically going to pursue such a project, you would not be able to use the Rock-afire in the restaurant's name without Aaron's permission. There would also be legalities with using the copyrighted characters and show tapes. Then you have to take into account music licensing. CEC and Showbiz had a problem with that until blanket licenses were worked out with ASCAP and BMI.
It's not just as simple as buying an RAE and setting up a place to show them off. Kickstarter won't even get you started on funding for a restaurant. That stuff is expensive and requires enough capital to cover expenses for 6 years. It takes that long for most restaurants to become profitable.
And.. no offense, but you would really want polished, professionally produced art in your presentations.
But, I do think someone with experience in restaurant management, and who understands the legalities of copyright permissions and trademarks is missing an opportunity.
Got it, I'll ask Aaron. Im not so sure of the licensing issue tho. Did Bubba Sparxxx have an issue when Chris programmed his Rae to preform miss new booty? Or panic at the disco when BBWL custom programmed their Rae to preform 9 in the afternoon? Don't mean to sound rude.
Maybe not. But legally they could have. Especially once Chris started using it in his restaurant. Most artists overlook amateur use, even when it's a violation of copyright. Once you start making a profit from it, the whole game changes. The parody/fair use argument was the one CEC/Showbiz tried to use initially. It was determined that just reproducing the songs for performance by an animatronic band did not constitute parody, but was actually a public performance of the work. Use of backing tracks to sing to gives permission for amateur performance only. Charging admission of any kind, or use in a business setting, requires professional license. Using prerecorded music in restaurants, even playing over the sound system, requires professional performance licenses. And, as expensive as the licenses are, the fines are even worse if you get caught. And it's pretty easy to get caught. An example, one local town was playing music over the sound system for events in their public parks. They were warned by an employee that they should probably get a blanket music license. They brushed it off as too expensive. Sometime later a ASCAP employee attended one of their events. They soon got hit with a legal notice that they had a choice: purchase a license or pay a hefty fine for each infraction. They now have a license. Just playing movies on the TV can require royalty payments. If you charge for anything, it is considered a public showing of the movie. Exceptions are made for educational purposes. My singing group uses tracks to perform with. We don't charge for our services, so we fall under the amateur performance rights. If we went professional, depending on how much money we made, we would have to license each song we perform, and if we made a CD for sale, we'd have to pay for recording rights as well. It's one of the reasons we've chosen not to go pro, even when people say we should. Doing music legally is expensive.
Agreed, but still does bbwl have blanket agreements? They have these songs. As Showbizpizzafan said there small and not that many people know about it but this forum and people who live in that Area but they can be sued for a lot of reason's, Doing Music Legally is a lot of money you have to pay loyalties "I believe that's the word" unless it is threw the radio Any copyrighted Music even happy Birthday which is sung at many restaurants Including Chuck E Cheese you have to pay loyalties on if you don't you can be brought to court and I believe have to go to pay a fine but I am not sure if you can go to Jail or not
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Aug 13 2015, 06:46 PM
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Well, of course this is all hypothetical as far as this forum is concerned. We don't throw our support or endorsement to any outside projects. And, the more quickly you remove our name from the project, the happier we'll be.
But, if you were hypothetically going to pursue such a project, you would not be able to use the Rock-afire in the restaurant's name without Aaron's permission. There would also be legalities with using the copyrighted characters and show tapes. Then you have to take into account music licensing. CEC and Showbiz had a problem with that until blanket licenses were worked out with ASCAP and BMI.
It's not just as simple as buying an RAE and setting up a place to show them off. Kickstarter won't even get you started on funding for a restaurant. That stuff is expensive and requires enough capital to cover expenses for 6 years. It takes that long for most restaurants to become profitable.
And.. no offense, but you would really want polished, professionally produced art in your presentations.
But, I do think someone with experience in restaurant management, and who understands the legalities of copyright permissions and trademarks is missing an opportunity.
Got it, I'll ask Aaron. Im not so sure of the licensing issue tho. Did Bubba Sparxxx have an issue when Chris programmed his Rae to preform miss new booty? Or panic at the disco when BBWL custom programmed their Rae to preform 9 in the afternoon? Don't mean to sound rude.
Maybe not. But legally they could have. Especially once Chris started using it in his restaurant. Most artists overlook amateur use, even when it's a violation of copyright. Once you start making a profit from it, the whole game changes. The parody/fair use argument was the one CEC/Showbiz tried to use initially. It was determined that just reproducing the songs for performance by an animatronic band did not constitute parody, but was actually a public performance of the work. Use of backing tracks to sing to gives permission for amateur performance only. Charging admission of any kind, or use in a business setting, requires professional license. Using prerecorded music in restaurants, even playing over the sound system, requires professional performance licenses. And, as expensive as the licenses are, the fines are even worse if you get caught. And it's pretty easy to get caught. An example, one local town was playing music over the sound system for events in their public parks. They were warned by an employee that they should probably get a blanket music license. They brushed it off as too expensive. Sometime later a ASCAP employee attended one of their events. They soon got hit with a legal notice that they had a choice: purchase a license or pay a hefty fine for each infraction. They now have a license. Just playing movies on the TV can require royalty payments. If you charge for anything, it is considered a public showing of the movie. Exceptions are made for educational purposes. My singing group uses tracks to perform with. We don't charge for our services, so we fall under the amateur performance rights. If we went professional, depending on how much money we made, we would have to license each song we perform, and if we made a CD for sale, we'd have to pay for recording rights as well. It's one of the reasons we've chosen not to go pro, even when people say we should. Doing music legally is expensive.
Agreed, but still does bbwl have blanket agreements? They have these songs. I have no idea.
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Aug 13 2015, 07:16 PM
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Aaron isn't going to let you program your own songs for the Rockafire. You will have to pay him to program them for you.
If you're going to have a restaurant with an overall 80s theme, it would be best to have a name that reflects that rather than something just focusing on the Rockafire. Because most people don't know what the Rockafire is or how it relates to the 80s.
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Aug 13 2015, 07:31 PM
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Technically your suppose to do a daily PM checkup on the show if you plan to run it consistently. buttttt I guess you could do it weekly if you wanted. Theirs not much difference between the two..
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