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Topic Started: Feb 11 2013, 01:35 PM (1,025 Views)
SkullKrusher
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Ok discuss about tourney here!
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Xarga

When do you plan to start it?
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Lancer

Next Sunday, earlier if enough join before then.
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Mythodea

When is the deadline for registration?
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Lancer

Same time, although will probably still accept players as reserves/replacements and such.
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Pirx

Guys, I am not up to date, but I would think of bigger advertisement of the tourney. In dion's tourney there are over 20 teams, over 50 players in CoN. So there is still a big pottential.

I guess people are worried that there might be too many big tourneys around at the same time.

But I think that it explains everthing.

I do think that without at least 15 teams and 2v2 and 8 teams in 3v3 starting a tourney might be a mistake.
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The_Illyrian
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Once the first round of that tourney is over, we are expecting more people who were beat to show up here, as well :)
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Lancer

Yeh Pirx, you're right. I'll go round the sites again with update on how many have registered and how long is left to register.
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Pirx

Cool Lancer. Starting the tourney is always the hardest thing. Than every next season it brings more people due to known brand.

But as soon RTWII will emerge, there is not that much time left to explore RTWI. And I think that especially 3v3 tourney is something that is worth doing now.
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dion

whole problem; that most of people are only semi active. Only half of teams in my league are active, and last 2vs2 tourney which was active was 2 years ago, when twr hosted it. Look even in ccl site they 2vs2 tournament wasnt worked, because only musso and fabio and hos team were active. They doing now final without playing any games in playoff stage. I am also sure that only half of people, which registered to con will bee active. Making second 2vs2, when my league is working and most of players are semi active is bad idea. We will gain nothing, because yours 2vs2 will bee small and mine league will loose also some players. If you want help - try help my with my league, because this tournament started and guys play there. I sugest you make first 1vs1 tourney, it more easy, and this 3vs3 which i offer you my full support and i try help you find more teams ( i can ask some my leagueteams for it). I can also wait with second season of 2vs2 league, until you start and finish yours 2vs2. I think that is good deal.
It wasnt 3vs3 tournament 2 years that why it interesting. One thing is important - activity. Tournament will colapse if clan will register more than 1 team, because of incativity, look i could register coh1 tac, ttw, me and niels team and coh2, but they will no play more than few games during whole month. Thats why i registered only active players. I know who is active and who not and you know it also. I think that now only taow can register 2 teams, which will play activly. Rest of clans havent active manpower to make more than 1 team. Good idea is alllow teams to even more than 2 reserves. You may reward teams additional points for using diffrent players.
Any chance for working 3vs3 are big, mixed and active teams...
Edited by dion, Feb 14 2013, 12:34 PM.
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Pharaoh Lyze

Dude, CCL has nothing to do with F2.
And seriously, your tournament is stupid, has only 2 rules and CoH are the only ones who played most of the games, the rest does not even care.

You should better go by your own self Lancer (and with Spartakus or whoever helps you), it would be way more successful.
Edited by Pharaoh Lyze, Feb 14 2013, 01:27 PM.
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Lancer

There's not been much interest for the 2v2 so far is true. Yeh, administration will discuss potentially allowing more reserves for 3v3 teams, since I do agree that large teams, and even mixed clan teams would be best chance for success.

I don't know much about other 2v2 tourneys on the go atm tbh.

Will discuss issues further with the administration.
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Pirx

First of all, Lyze you will be in position to critize in such way dion's tourney if you manage to host anything better at these days.. Seriously.. the guy is giving his heart and time to manage big tourney and all you can do is to say "your tournament is stupid"? If not guys like dion, Lancer or any others who host tournaments, we would probably leave the game long time ago due to lack of emotions. Little more respect to others time and efforts. You may disagree with the format but it does not give u the right to depreciate someones work. I am happy to play in dion's 2v2 league although there are some problems with playing games. But its normal thing in every tourney for many years now.

Regarding tourneys here and having in mind dions opinions:

- 1v1 tourneys are pretty easy to run and are the most popular so i think there wont be a problem here with ppl interested in playing. Of course, some of them will probably become less active. But thats the way it is.

- 2v2 tourney - dion is right that his tournay makes ppl pretty occupied these days. There are many games still to play, many teams are rather inactive. So making another 2v2 tourney is risky business. Also thats way there are so few teams ready to play this. Nevertheless, I would host it. Why? Because dions tourney (lets be honest - the biggest one and the most important 2v2 tourney at these days) will last some time. Here you can make small tourney which will be beta for the purpose of future activity of SK. As long as the teams involved will be active, it can be pretty funny. For example, me and Hercy do not always have occassion to play in dions tourney so we could try play SK in a free time.

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Pirx

- 3v3 tourney - imo that should be most important thing on SK platform. This is something that gives great deal of pleasure. Moreover, only 3v3 tourneys show the real power of every clan active on rtw scene. And as there are no 3v3 tourney hosted these days, the more important is to make SK a place for all respectable and active clans to fight each other. Seriously, if u guys write anywhere about SK tourney - 3v3 format should be the most important thing to point out. It also should be mentioned which clans are already in. This makes the impression of the importancy of the tourney. And for that, I would come to HoS with a strong invitation to the tourney. As they got one of the best teams (if not the best) on rtw these days. You do not need here dozens of clans involved. As some of them may leave the competition and its always big punch to 3v3 tourney when such thing happen. But what u need is the best teams around at the same place.

As for the number of team players, 5 or 6, whats the difference.. If some team wants to play, 4 guys in will be more than enough.
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Pharaoh Lyze

As you can clearly see Pirx, I've hosted a league (a real one) for RTW that has quite a fair amount of active players. The main concern is in division B, but it will get better next cycle which is about to start in a few weeks. Also, I believe I'm in the position to criticize just as anyone is. There is a rule: it's on the internets, it's open to criticism. Of course, not the kind of criticism with no real arguments.
http://twclancenter.net/forum269.html

And serious, there's a difference between being big and being active. You can have 100 participants if you manage to get only 3 of them playing most if not all their games.
Edited by Pharaoh Lyze, Feb 14 2013, 02:58 PM.
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Pirx

If you know how hard is to host a tourney, the more i dont understand sentences like "your tournament is stupid". Or maybe just time changed and its polite way of saying "I do not think the format of your tourney is appropriate".

"There is a rule: it's on the internets, it's open to criticism." Yes, and sometimes its just called trolling. :O

Going back to the subject, you are right Lyze that numbers are not of such importance, but activity is. Thats why I think SK should be more tourney of few but very active and top notch, than tourney of many with small activity.
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Lancer

Yeh I agree with activity. It would be best to have not loads of teams for the 3v3, but a decent of number of teams of good and active players, which would ultimately be more rewarding. Yes, it is a good idea to promote the 3v3 more, esp the teams so far, as already got teams from 3 of the most recognisable clans. Would be good to see some of the Russian clans form a couple, and ofc HoS and GoTW

And yeh, about being a beta this is good experience for format and name recognition, what with RTW2 being round the corner. I do believe the format can be adapted for when that comes out. And would be good to address any problems people see before then.
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The_Illyrian
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Let's all be nice here! I think that ANY tourney is bound to HELP the community! Case CLOSED, Your Honor! ;)
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Pirx

Just to straight things up - there are no tenstions between me and Lyze. We discussed the case on pw and i withdraw all my strong words towards him.

And great to see HoS in all tourneys. Now in 3v3 there are HoS, TAoW, CoH and TNA. All active plans strong on 15k. Would be great to see here such clans like USSR, GoTW, FAOH, SoA etc. They all can provide pretty strong 3v3 team. I would focus now on gettin them into competition.
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Lancer

Yeh, I'll go around later today with update on the clans so far joined the 3v3.
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