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John on the Deity of Christ
Topic Started: Mar 22 2012, 06:36 AM (267 Views)
ReyReynoso Mar 22 2012, 06:36 AM Post #1
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AKA Navin Johnson
 Now that we’ve been brought back to the very point of the Apostles, it would be helpful to look at the writings of the last remaining apostle by the time of the early church fathers: John. The evidence seems clear that his Gospel account was written after the Synoptic accounts were circulating so they bear indication that John didn’t intend his account to be read in a vacuum. In regards to literature then, it is interesting to see which stories the Synoptic accounts include and which John feels important enough to bring up once again.

You can read the rest at TBA.
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mem Apr 24 2012, 04:20 AM Post #21
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 Who can refuse the Don???
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mem Apr 24 2012, 04:59 AM Post #22
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 I meant to share the correspondence via picture today, but I've been a little busy on the homefront lately and didn't shoot it last night. But the essence of what he had to say--in two paragraphs (he can be brief, presumably when talking to the unwashed masses ;) was that kenosis is an idiomatic expression for "making himself a nobody" and "Go read BB Warfield."
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Deleted User Apr 24 2012, 05:12 AM Post #23
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 "Emptied himself" is an idiom which bears on what? Another aspect of humbling but not of any real emptying (prerogatives or powers)?

I guess I'll have to read Warfield.
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mem Apr 24 2012, 06:33 AM Post #24
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 I had asked about how kenosis could relate to the hypostatic union, and his response was that Philippians is tell us that Jesus made himself a nobody, but it doesn't answer ontological questions—then he said, Go read Warfield, or Zapsel if he's too dense.
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Char Apr 24 2012, 06:35 AM Post #25
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 I still can't believe The Don Bearded the conversation.
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Deleted User Apr 24 2012, 06:37 AM Post #26
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 I once asked Sproul some question. His reply was that it was too complicated to express in a letter and suggested I buy two of his books.
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mem Apr 24 2012, 06:54 AM Post #27
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 Nod. I honestly didn't expect him to respond at all; the talk ranged over a lot of stuff, and he is pretty busy. At least in this respect he wasn't self-serving, and while the answer isn't quite satisfactory in the sense of supporting the answers he gave, it's at least clear and concise. I expect it's rather par for the course; a lot of the material that he covered in his talk isn't really novel, so I'm not really surprised he suggested the Beard. Although I do find it kind of amusing.
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Ray Nearhood Apr 24 2012, 07:04 AM Post #28
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Char
Apr 24 2012, 06:35 AM
I still can't believe The Don Bearded the conversation.
He exceeded your expectations? That is hard to believe.
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Pastoral Musings Apr 27 2012, 09:15 AM Post #29
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 Two things:
1. A question here.
2. A quote from the Don that I found as I read his Philippians commentary this week.

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He "made himself nothing": What does that mean? Literally translated, the original reads, "He emptied himself." ... it is not as if he emptied himself of his deity...Nor did he empty himself of the attributes of his deity (though that has been argued), for he would likewise cease to be God.
In fact, the expression "he emptied himself," far from meaning he emptied himself of something, is idiomatic for "he gave up all his rights or similar expressions...He abandoned his rights; he became a nobody.
...he is not saying that Jesus was God, gave that up, and became a slave instead. Rather, without ever abandoning who he was originally, he adopted the mode of existence of a slave...He was always God; he now becomes something he was not, a human being.

Edited by Pastoral Musings, Apr 27 2012, 09:19 AM.
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