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Lao Tzu? Hmmmm.
Topic Started: May 7 2016, 05:48 PM (405 Views)
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It does not escape me that the notion of reincarnation may in fact be based on one facet of Reality.
I've never given it much consideration, or interest, because - well - does it even matter?
Also, most references I have heard from, or read about, seem to put it in the dodgy realms of 'new age', and hence of very dubious value.
Even so, I must consider that I may be a reincarnation of Lao Tzu.

You can't believe I just wrote that, can you? Ha. I considered long and hard before doing so. Because it is clear and obvious how it might look.
But I decide I don't care what it looks like, or how it reads. It is a possibility I find myself considering more and more. And why not?
There is no reason, more compelling than this, for the recognition I experienced, when first reading taoteching.
I didn't just know it, already; I recognized it. Remembered it. Hard to explain it in any other way.

So?
So nothing.
I don't care, really, if I've lived before, or will again. Or who I might have been.
It is interesting; nothing more.
For all I know, it could well be so.

And so it gets said here, in the Mystery section, because of the mystery that it - along with reincarnation, itself - is.
"Squawk!" said the crow, and then made space.
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You were, are, to me as Lao Tzu was to you.

You also received enlightenment around the time I was born, in an adjacent desert.

Is this a coincidence to you?
Vroom!
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Well, I tend to look askance at coincidence, but it's certainly Mysterious.

Everything I've read of Lao Tzu fits. It makes a pleasant fancy.
It hints, too, of more widespread, unearthly possibilities.
The Merlin Factor reflects a few of these paradoxes.
Me, in you, in them, in everything else...

Everything, everywhere, always.


"Squawk!" said the crow, and then made space.
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It was a facetious question of course, I know you well enough to know you would look at it as no coincidence.

I seem chronically unable to spell coincidence, by habit spelling it as coincedence.

Coincidence???
Vroom!
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I have some words like that. Then again, I am a visual speller: I may misspell something as I type it, from time to time, but as soon as I see it typed, any mistakes leap out at me.

It may be coincidental that you have trouble spelling a word that symbolizes something that doesn't exist.
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Tao Te Ching is about Masters/Sages. They place themselves last. Not racing about coming first or even maintaining honor.
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taoteching is about many things, but above all, it is about Reality, and the way it works.
Hierarchy is the name of the game, which is why it so annoys ideologues who translate it into support for their own ideologies.
Masters and Sages remove themselves entirely from the hierarchy, and simply report upon its characteristics.
Having no obviously visible worth or value, is how they became masters and sages.



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This is a master: Theres no hierachy. Can you tell me how there's hierachy?:

The one who is filled by virtue is like a newborn baby.
Wasps, scorpions, and serpents will not sting him.
Birds of prey and wild beasts will not strike him.
His bones are soft, his muscles weak,
But his grasp is firm.
He has not experienced the union of man and woman,
Still his penis rises.
His manhood is at its very height.
He can shout all day without getting hoarse.
His harmony is at its very height.

Harmony is called the eternal.
Knowing the eternal is called clarity.
Filling life exceedingly is called ominous.
Letting the mind control the vital breath is called force.

Things exalted then decay.
This is going against the Way.
What goes against the Way meets an early end.

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There is no hierarchy in the Oneness of tao.
But in all affairs of men, there is.
The newborn is tao, then he becomes separate, subject to the hierarchy of man, and of man's position relative to tao.

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The newborn is a Sage. Master. See other translations.
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The newborn is a clean sheet of parchment, neither good, nor bad, merely unsullied.
Not quite the same as either master or sage.
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The master resembles a newborn, in paralells, but he's an adult.
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The master resembles nothing at all. This is the mystery of his mastery.
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I agree. Yet he is powerful. Until he decays like it says in the poem.
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Whether or not you agree is neither here, nor there.
Truth is Truth with or without human agreement with it.
The master's body decays, too, as does any other body, although his ability to rejuvenate is somewhat greater.
His Soul, however, is eternal, as a result of his mastery.
Souls do not decay.

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Rejuvenation is about personal gain. Right? Master are servants to the people.
Otherwise i agree.
Edited by Mustafa, May 16 2017, 03:25 PM.
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Rejuvenation is a quality of a healthy mind, as much as a healthy body. It is automatic. A consequence.
My body is worn out, my mind a little damaged, but my Soul stands in for both, in a disinterested sort of way.
Personal gain is not a factor.
I have all I need.

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I wont ruin you'r world.
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As if you could.
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I wont take anything from you, i'll give you. (You seem to be receptive).

http://www.yellowbridge.com/onlinelit/daodejing36.php
Ops. I've made you more suspicious.
Edited by Mustafa, May 16 2017, 03:49 PM.
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Hi Mustafa, you might find this translation to be clearer.
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Thank you. Even the Quran is mystical. There must be something there.
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May 16 2017, 03:22 PM
Rejuvenation is about personal gain. Right? Master are servants to the people.
Otherwise i agree.
The Master serves Reality, not people.
If the people benefit from his service, it's a fringe-benefit.


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