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5.04 A Night to Remem- Wait, What?
Topic Started: Jan 11 2015, 07:42 PM (647 Views)
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5.04 - A Night to Remem- Wait, What?



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"The world breaks everyone, and afterward, some are strong at the broken places."
I literally can't say anything about this episode yet now that I have seen next week's promo. :tears:
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I just saw the promo and the moment Ian said what he did I just slammed a hand over my mouth, holy shit.

Okay, I'll try to concentrate. I enjoyed this episode. Frank's storyline was actually kind of amusing, though it started getting a bit boring towards the end. Fiona's plot amused me too, I liked it more than I thought I would, though she's definitely going to regret it pretty soon. "You make me feel sane," she says and two seconds later agrees to marry him. Sure, Jan. :lol:

I laughed so hard at Ian chasing Mickey around with a dildo, oh god.
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I gave this episode an "average". I feel llike we are not really moving anywhere and that's bugging me but then again we are kinda moving along and it is summer so a lot of things are on hold for most of the family members.
ANYWAY

FIONA - meh. i don't know... see I like Gus and I like her at the moment because she is going to work and she has a guy who is treating her well and who makes her feel good BUT I feel like she is neglecting her family a bit. And while YES it is not her family really because she is technically only the oldest sister I wish she would hang around the house more.

DEBBIE - oh honey. I am all pro learning how to fight and to show those bitches that Debbie has strength and guts too. I hope she and the guy from the gym fall hopelessly in love and that he treats her well and they become the new power couple on the southside.

FRANK - great great great SL. I wasn't annoyed with him. I loved it. It felt like good old S1 Shameless when they used to have these plots like trying to figure something out all te time. I loved it. Felt kinda like the Canada thing hahah.

LIP - uhm???? I like Amanda but this was kinda boring. I still don't really know what her deal is but I love Lip and her dad bonding. I hope he can seriously profit from the trip to Florida. The things her dad said sounded cooll but I am still scared he will fuck Lip over.

IAN - oh honey. I am so sad??? But I love him and Svetlana bonding it gives me great joy. Everything else is just sad. I am terrified.

MICKEY - MY BEAUTIFUL SON IN A HAWAIIAN SHIRT I AM SO IN LOVE. he is a blessing he truly is. nothing to complain about.

CARL - light of my life. please stay away from the drug dealing and Frank!!! I loved the ending though, like he is genuinely interested in this dealing thing andhe studies for it and that gives me hope. LIke maybe this will end up being useful. At least he doesn't do drugs himself. I want all the good on this planet for Carl. he is so important.

V AND KEV - noooooooo. i am sad!

overall this episode was okay for me but nothing special i guess???
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I have a burning need to know whether a part of Mickey actually finds Hawaiian shirts sexy or if he did it just for the lolz. Probably just for lolz but that boy does have questionable fashion sense sometimes so it wouldn't surprise me.

I can just see Ian "I will not kiss/fuck/blow you while you're wearing that :glare: "
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At first I thought it was just for laughs but then he did wear it to the Alibi so maybe he did think it was sexy? Quick question, did Fiona tell Gus she was the guardian of her siblings?
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Quick question, did Fiona tell Gus she was the guardian of her siblings?

Not that we were shown - she just briefly introduced him when he spent the night at her place.


I'm still forming my thoughts about this episode, honestly. I enjoyed watching it and I feel like it was a step up from previous episodes, but this season still feels really weird and I'm starting to think it's because none of the storylines are really connected, they're all so separate. I'm hoping it's deliberate, but if it's not, I dunno if I can get into it. I'm honestly watching for Ian and Mickey right now and that makes me very sad because I am not a fan who only watches the show for them, but I just can't get invested in anyone else this year for some reason. Maybe it's because Ian so clearly needs help this year and I'm just impatiently waiting for that, I don't know.

Like I said though, this episode did feel like a step up. I liked watching Lip bond with Amanda's dad, but it was bittersweet since it's probably not going to be long before Amanda realizes she's dating a guy who will become her dad one day and she's been trying so hard to freak them out with her boyfriends that she won't just accept that. Though I did wonder if their sex scene was because she's starting to like him more and she just tried to pass it off as no big deal because she knows Lip's skittish.

I actually enjoyed Frank's storyline this episode, I agree with mickeys, it was very much like the old seasons of Shameless and it was despicable sure, but it was better than the Frank scenes we've been sitting through lately. Like Anette, I did think it was getting old by the end, but considering this was supposed to be the "Frank centric" episode I didn't think it was really that bad. (This was the Frank-centric one, wasn't it? I remember people complaining about it before the episode aired rofl.)

I enjoyed Debbie's storyline with the boxing, I just wish last week's episode hadn't happened because I don't know if I can ever look at Debbie the same, at least not until she acknowledges what she did and shows remorse which so far I haven't seen much of. I'm not really sure how Holly and the others found out about the rape, unless Carl knew and mentioned it, since he's been hanging around them lately. Matty never would have told and Debbie wouldn't. I'm glad it wasn't just dropped but I'm not sure if I'm going to like how it's handled either. Debbie was more embarassed than guilty, and she was shallowly sympathetic when Derek claimed he started boxing because of being raped. Though the fact that he caught that end of her fight makes me think it's going to come up again with them, and the writers said the scene was not meant to be a shocking attempt at humour, so I'm hoping that also means they have plans to deal with it properly when the time comes.

I felt really bad for Veronica but I feel really bad for Kev too. Veronica has never wanted kids, Kev always has, and that's going to continue driving a wedge between them because Veronica can't understand Kev's "obsession" with the girls and Kev can't understand Vee's disinterest. She's going through a lot, though, and I feel like this episode they both began to realize just how bad it is. I think it'll be resolved in a couple episodes, Kev's understandably going to be hurt and Vee is going to be frustrated and pissed off because he probably will focus more on the cheating than the reason why it happened. Which he has every right to, of course, but she's in a bad spot right now and neither of them really know where to go from here.

Loved Ian and Mickey's scenes. I was a bit concerned by Mickey offering up random drugs to Ian, but none of the characters in this show really view drugs the same way we might and I think in his mind it's better for Ian to do it in what he considers a controlled environment than at the club by himself. It's still not good, especially given Ian's condition, but I didn't think it was really out of character. They're both heavily in denial anyway although the end of the episode was definitely another wakeup call for Mickey. He's trying so hard to pretend he can't see any of this and to handle it on his own, but we know that's not going to last for much longer. I'm relieved by that, honestly.

I think Mickey was just being a dork and joking around with the hawaiian shirt and Ian probably said something challenging that made Mickey decide to wear it to prove a point. Or maybe he was offered something in return, who knows. :P The dildo scene was hilarious, and it was a rare glimpse into the comfortable but playful side of their relationship. They actually seemed their age for a change, and it was nice to see.

It would be a shame if something bad were to happen. :laugh: I'm sorry, I'm so not funny

Edit - Just some other stuff I wanted to reply to :)

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And while YES it is not her family really because she is technically only the oldest sister I wish she would hang around the house more.

I'm glad I'm not the only one feeling that. And really, she's not just the oldest sister any more, as their legal guardian she has just as much obligation and responsibility for them as Frank is supposed to and she's leaving them unattended way too much for my liking. I love Fiona and I want her to get her life on track and she deserves all the happiness in the world, but she fought Jimmy on becoming their guardian, he thought she should think before making her decision and she thought it wasn't a decision at all. But since then, it's like she's forgotten they ARE her responsibility now and she's been leaving them alone way too much. Remember when she couldn't even leave the house for a night without making sure they'd be okay and knew how to get in touch with her? Or when she had to keep a baby monitor in their room and knew to remind Carl to brush his teeth and to tell Debbie not to stay up all night reading under the covers with a flashlight?

I think the writers are just trying hard to focus on Fiona and her growth and development, and neglecting her siblings has just been an unfortunate consequence of that, but it's still sad to see. I miss the Gallagher family feels and while we've had some decent scenes with Fiona and Debbie, it's still not the same.

mickeys
 
I still don't really know what her deal is but I love Lip and her dad bonding. I hope he can seriously profit from the trip to Florida. The things her dad said sounded cooll but I am still scared he will fuck Lip over.

The entire reason Amanda started dating Lip, aside from the fact that she was probably attracted to him, is because she thought he would freak the hell out of her parents and it's her way of rebelling against them. Now that she's seeing the similarities between Lip and her dad, and they're even getting along, I don't know how much longer they'll stay a couple unless she's started to genuinely like Lip by now. I'm fairly certain they'll probably break up, so I'm hoping that Amanda breaks it off with Lip because he's not serving his purpose to her anymore (freaking out the parentals) and her dad decides to still help Lip out because he likes him, maybe sees himself in him. If Lip does something to screw up the relationship, though, I don't think her dad will still help for obvious reasons. I enjoyed seeing Lip and Amanda's dad bond and I liked seeing Lip's interest in engineering and seeing his obvious intelligence. He can be stupid about a lot of things at times, but when he knows his shit, he knows his shit lol.

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CARL - light of my life. please stay away from the drug dealing and Frank!!! I loved the ending though, like he is genuinely interested in this dealing thing andhe studies for it and that gives me hope. LIke maybe this will end up being useful.

I think it goes to show that if Carl wants to learn something, he definitely can, it's just sad that he thinks the best way to apply that is learning drug terminology and ratios. I feel like he'll do something bad in his quest to be seen as a badass and he'll get in trouble and think it's the greatest thing ever. At the very least though, his characterization has been consistent and this was foreshadowed when he helped his grandmother with her meth lab. I just hope once he gets it out of his system (however long that may take) he finds something more positive that he's interested in learning about and can apply that dedication to.

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Fiona's plot amused me too, I liked it more than I thought I would, though she's definitely going to regret it pretty soon. "You make me feel sane," she says and two seconds later agrees to marry him. Sure, Jan. :lol:

ROFL no kidding right? I definitely think Fiona is just latching on to Gus because she feels like he gets her, his music speaks to her and he actually treats her pretty good which is a change from what she's been experiencing lately. I think from her last scene, where she's tidying up Gus' apartment, she realized the gravity of the decision she made to marry him. But prior to that I think all she saw was this really great guy who wanted to spend all his time with her and even after that still could say he was falling for her and could see himself marrying her, and she got caught up in the fantasy of it all and said let's do it.
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I'm still forming my thoughts about this episode, honestly. I enjoyed watching it and I feel like it was a step up from previous episodes, but this season still feels really weird and I'm starting to think it's because none of the storylines are really connected, they're all so separate. I'm hoping it's deliberate, but if it's not, I dunno if I can get into it. I'm honestly watching for Ian and Mickey right now and that makes me very sad because I am not a fan who only watches the show for them, but I just can't get invested in anyone else this year for some reason. Maybe it's because Ian so clearly needs help this year and I'm just impatiently waiting for that, I don't know.


You bring up a great point. I haven't thought about the SLs as being disconnected. Haven't they always though?
I feel like because everyone is growing up it makes sense to have their own SLs because they each have their own life and it's summer so not a lot of family stuff is happening.
I can't even say I am watching for them. I used to watch for them in previous seasons because they were SO amazing. But right now I am honeslty experience some sort of "i am not really focused on them that much anymore". I do't know how to explain it but they have ot been in this season much and to me just haven't been interesting. Which makes me sad. LIke they used to be my absolute OBSESSION.


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it's like she's forgotten they ARE her responsibility now and she's been leaving them alone way too much. Remember when she couldn't even leave the house for a night without making sure they'd be okay and knew how to get in touch with her? Or when she had to keep a baby monitor in their room and knew to remind Carl to brush his teeth and to tell Debbie not to stay up all night reading under the covers with a flashlight?


OH MY GOD I HAVE TOTALLY FOGROTTEN ABOUT HER BEING THE LEGAL GUARDIAN. that makes it worse???? I wish she would at least check in with them every once in a while. I feel like everyone is so involved with their own shit and noone is interested in what the others do. Can someone please check on Ian??? Can someoe make sure Carl doesn't get sucked into a drug ring?

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I don't know how much longer they'll stay a couple unless she's started to genuinely like Lip by now.


DID YOU SEE HER SMALL SMILE THOUGH WHEN LIP AND HER DAD BONDED? I was so confused by that because I also thought that she might just dump him because he is obviously not serving his purpose anymore but then the smile threw me off. And Lip is obviously back in Chicago next episode so I am excited to see how they leave them.

and YES to everything you said about Carl. Maybe he realizes that some of the subjects at school actually serve a purpose. I sure hope so.
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I also think it makes sense that we have more individual storylines now when the kids are growing up and finding themselves, and I'm fine with that. What Jessica might mean though, is that it would be nice with some of those fun family problems again, like "we need to find an old lady to be our fake aunt" and "let's all work together to get this accidentally kidnapped child home". More fun family plots! If only just for one episode. Also the whole thing with CPS in season 3 was great, that brought on a lot of family related scenes.

I'd also like just a few more scenes of them just eating breakfast together, talking about family stuff, money stuff. But you know, it's mostly just Fiona and the younger ones at home now, and the younger ones are rebelling and being typical teenagers, so that those family moments can be hard to come by is realistic too.
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The kids growing up does have a lot to do with it, and to a point they've always had individual storylines and certain problems they dealt with on their own without involving their family, but at the end of the day they all came home and they still did stuff together. I mean maybe it's just because Lip and Ian have more or less flown the nest, and Debbie and Carl are rebelling like Anette said - we never really saw that with Lip and Ian, because they were Fiona's support system, she relied on them, but to Debbie and Carl she might as well be their mother. And maybe that's the difference. You can't really compare it to how it was with Lip and Ian, who kind of had to come home because the three of them shouldered the responsibility of looking after the other ones and making sure they were happy and had a decent childhood. So Debbie and Carl get the privilege of getting to act like proper teenagers, and Fiona is clueless as to how to handle that so she's just been kind of making the best of it and trying to trust them the way she probably trusted Lip and Ian, you know, give them trust until they break it and then they have to earn it back again kind of thing.

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and it's summer so not a lot of family stuff is happening.

^ this also makes sense.

So yeah I dunno what it is rofl something just feels off. Not bad, I'm still enjoying this season, but it feels so different somehow. Then again, so did last season, and it turned out great. I do expect this one to be great too once the ball really gets rolling.

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OH MY GOD I HAVE TOTALLY FOGROTTEN ABOUT HER BEING THE LEGAL GUARDIAN. that makes it worse???? I wish she would at least check in with them every once in a while. I feel like everyone is so involved with their own shit and noone is interested in what the others do. Can someone please check on Ian??? Can someoe make sure Carl doesn't get sucked into a drug ring?

Right, I mean they are her legal responsibility and she was away from home for so many nights. I don't know, it's not really different from the last summer season we had - she worked late nights, came home first thing in the morning and went straight to bed with orders to the kids not to disturb her unless of a severe emergency. Maybe it's just because this season all the kids - with probably the exception of Lip - are so badly in need of her being there and her off doing her own, impulsive thing, is just harder to watch than usual.

But like I've said before, it's probably deliberate, and this is just the calm before the storm and when shit hits the fan Fiona will go through another guilt trip because she thinks it's her fault since she wasn't there to stop it.

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DID YOU SEE HER SMALL SMILE THOUGH WHEN LIP AND HER DAD BONDED? I was so confused by that because I also thought that she might just dump him because he is obviously not serving his purpose anymore but then the smile threw me off. And Lip is obviously back in Chicago next episode so I am excited to see how they leave them.

That smile had me so confused too lol because she seemed kind of frustrated that Lip was bonding with her dad instead of hanging out with her, and that he was actually interested in the stuff her dad likes that she finds boring. So was that smile an ironic "oh my god they have something in common, am I dating my father" realization or was it a "I wanted you to scare my parents but you're actually getting along and I don't totally hate that?" smile.

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What Jessica might mean though, is that it would be nice with some of those fun family problems again, like "we need to find an old lady to be our fake aunt" and "let's all work together to get this accidentally kidnapped child home". More fun family plots! If only just for one episode. Also the whole thing with CPS in season 3 was great, that brought on a lot of family related scenes.

Right, that too, because each season there was always a couple plots that affected the family as a whole and had to be addressed as a family. I guess we'll probably get more of that as the season goes on though, when Ian inevitably gets treatment and Fiona inevitably realises what the youngest siblings have been doing unsupervised. We'll probably get more family plots then to balance the individual plots, and that might make it feel more like the older seasons. I just kind of miss their family moments, you know? We've had a few this season - Debbie and Fiona hanging out, the pool party - but it just feels like a shadow of earlier days. And like you said, maybe that's realistic, because that does happen with families and it happens a lot with parents as their kids become teenagers.
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