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5.08 Uncle Carl
Topic Started: Mar 6 2015, 02:35 PM (971 Views)
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The scene with Lip in the office was my favorite scene this episode, I cried :lol: It was very well acted on Jeremy's part.

Svetlana needs to chill with her "wifely duties" but I enjoyed her talk with Vee, that was nice, I need them to bond more over babies.

Ian. Sigh. He'll come around eventually but it's so hard to watch, and even harder when his family keeps throwing Monica and the word "crazy" in his face all the time. That's exactly what he doesn't need to hear because that's what he fears.

The scene between Mickey and Debbie was just as horrifyingly embarrassing to watch as I'd feared, I'm still not 100% sure what was said during that scene because I was looking through my fingers and cringing :lol: But it worked, so hey, go Debbie.

Also lmao @ Chuckie being 13. I thought it'd been said before that he was 10, but maybe that's just the actor.

I know the writers love the wordless scenes between Ian and Mickey and so do I, they're great and always powerful, but come on. Each episode is almost an hour long and you're telling me they can't fit in a teeny tiny actual conversation somewhere? Haven't they been promoting "#Gallavich!!!11!!" the entire hiatus? I think I saw someone saying they haven't talked since episode 5 and that's probably true. There surely has to be a way to find a balance otherwise it's starting to look a bit like baiting, as one of the biggest and most promoted pairings of the entire show is being limited to nearly wordless 1 minute scenes each episode. I definitely think this last scene could have been longer, there could have been some more reassuring words said for example. Ian could have said he was worried they were over, Mickey could've said "of course not", everything doesn't have to be wordless. Conversation is key in every relationship even though the actors are great at communicating wordlessly (and they really are). I watch the show for much more than just these two, god knows I do, but it really bugs me when it's this apparent. Hopefully there will be something in the next episode.

All that said though, the last scene was lovely, as usual. Forehead kisses :thud:

I also have to laugh when I remember the writers preaching that "every sex scene has to have a meaning and bring the plot forward otherwise we won't include it" because I don't see how Lip and Amanda's scene did that this episode :eyeroll:
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I'm working on a bigger post about this episode but can I just officially welcome back the Gallagher family dynamic? God, I missed it so much, I am so here for that. Fiona slapping Carl across the back of the head for doing something stupid, Ian, Lip, and Fiona being together again and kind of joking with each other despite the circumstances and Ian saying he's missed them. You know he doesn't just mean since he's been in the psych ward, either. For a long time it was kind of the three of them working hard to keep the family together, Lip and Ian being Fiona's rocks while she did everything she could to support and raise her siblings. It hasn't been that way for a long time, and not just this season.

I love how even though they knew Carl was selling drugs, they were ready to protect him, they weren't about to sell him out. I love Fiona moving back in (let's just ignore the fact that she never should have moved out and keep this positive) and I loved that split second of silent communication that passed between all of them before they ran up to the window and shouted at Carl not to say anything.

I mean, there were a few things that bothered me about this episode, there usually is always something, but the things I enjoyed just far outweighed it this time around. I haven't even gotten to the Ian and Mickey stuff yet, which is what's going in the other post I've been working on. This is mostly just to gush about seeing everyone together again because I've been waiting all season for this and you have no idea how happy it made me to finally get it. Here's hoping this keeps being a thing because I need it.

And Anette, I know what you mean about feeling like the Ian and Mickey promotion is kind of baiting. I'm actually really liking what they're doing with Ian and Mickey's storyline now, but as far as the first half goes, it was really anticlimactic after all that promotion. And I really think that they need to go back to not showing as much of Ian and/or Mickey in the stills and promo's. This is a relationship that they like to portray romantic and meaningful interactions as epic events, which I actually kind of like, but in order to do that, you can't be giving away those big moments in the stills. Using this episode as an example, we had one scene that Ian and Mickey were together in, which I was perfectly okay with, but out of that single scene we had four stills released that basically laid it all out there for us and left little to the imagination. If not for the context that lead to Mickey showing up, that scene wouldn't have been anything special because we kind of already saw it. I've already decided for that reason I'm not going to follow spoilers of any kind for next season, just the 30 second teaser we usually get but that's it. I think it'll be more enjoyable that way.
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Mar 10 2015, 02:38 PM
And Anette, I know what you mean about feeling like the Ian and Mickey promotion is kind of baiting. I'm actually really liking what they're doing with Ian and Mickey's storyline now, but as far as the first half goes, it was really anticlimactic after all that promotion. And I really think that they need to go back to not showing as much of Ian and/or Mickey in the stills and promo's. This is a relationship that they like to portray romantic and meaningful interactions as epic events, which I actually kind of like, but in order to do that, you can't be giving away those big moments in the stills. Using this episode as an example, we had one scene that Ian and Mickey were together in, which I was perfectly okay with, but out of that single scene we had four stills released that basically laid it all out there for us and left little to the imagination. If not for the context that lead to Mickey showing up, that scene wouldn't have been anything special because we kind of already saw it. I've already decided for that reason I'm not going to follow spoilers of any kind for next season, just the 30 second teaser we usually get but that's it. I think it'll be more enjoyable that way.
Yeah, that's definitely part of the problem for me. The stills revealed everything and left the actual scene, which was actually amazing, fall a little short. Four stills for a one minute scene is too much, I'd have preferred just one of Mickey standing by Ian's bed, at least that would leave us wonder what's going on. I like that their interactions have all been meaningful and epic, but that's also not really necessary though, is it? It's alright to throw in mundane moments here and there, like the breakfast scenes in s4 or just some conversation like the dugout scene. I'm not asking for ten scenes each episode, because in this one it made sense to only have one really sweet one to end with, just so we could feel the absence and the longing, but the first half of the season was kind of hmm. I'm optimistic though, there's still the last episodes to go and they're pretty often the best ones. :cheer:

I really did love this episode though, I thought it was great. And the Gallagher family moments were amazing. I loved Debbie running to Fiona in tears and every shot of Cam in this episode was gorgeously filmed, the pool scene anyone???

Also lmao @ Carl trying to give Ian electric shock therapy out of the goodness of his heart :laugh:
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I loved this episode. I haven’t been able to say that about Shameless in a very long time. It was far from perfect but it had an old-school Shameless vibe to it, which I have sorely missed.

Ian’s scenes with all of his siblings gave me so much life. I feel like he has been so disconnected from them since S3, even before. Fiona’s sporadic concern for him was in effect, which is nice. Lip did his bit. Debbie, the only Gallagher who has shown consistent concern & love for Ian, did the utmost for her brother in this episode. I felt so bad for her when she briefly thought he had attempted suicide on her watch. The Carl/Ian scenes were gold. I love how Ian is so unfazed by and patient with him. He even got a 2 second bit with Liam. It was really good to see him reconnect with everyone. I am beyond grateful Frank kept his usual vitriol to himself. This was not the episode for that.
Anyway, everyone needs to shut up about Monica and Ian needs to get his shit together. I get his argument that he’s not the only messed up one but he knows that the difference is he’s messed up in a way he can’t control. I’m interested to see what finally snaps him out of his denial since not even endangering Yev’s life did it.

Debbie reminded me why I used to love her so much. She can be such a smart, resourceful, loving character but over the past season and a half she has been reduced to a sex-crazed psychopath. So unnecessary. I hope to see a lot more of this episode’s Debbie.
I even managed to feel for Lip for maybe the first time ever.

I can’t even bring myself to feel much about Carl’s s/l because it is so ridiculous. There is no way such a huge amount of heroin would be transported by a newbie, an incompetent one at that, with no supervision. So, whatever. The only thing I am clear about is that Sammi was in the right and Fiona can turn her bitch face on herself. She’s not even embarrassed/guilty that her 13 y/o brother is a drug dealer and she had no clue, yet she is supposed to be his guardian.

Distancing Svetlana from Ian & Mickey is the best thing they could have done for me & the character, imo. In the not too distant future I want Ian to apologise to her, have her hopefully accept then they can carry on with their separate lives except where Yev is concerned. No more of this besties-like-nothing-happened BS. I am able to enjoy some of her scenes when she’s with other characters. Her talk with V was spot on.

That final scene was everything. I loved everything about it. I think the lack of dialogue between Ian/Mickey in the past 3 episodes was highly effective in showing the distance, loneliness and despair that is often experienced in relationships involving mentally-ill people. It’s been tough to watch. Episode 7, in particular, left me wrecked. But it felt necessary. If they don’t have any meaningful dialogue next episode I’ll start to get irritated.

I typed out this whole thing about baiting but it went way off topic so I might post it in an appropriate thread. In short, I understand where that sentiment comes from and I agree to a certain extent. But I can also see that there is a lot of investment in the pairing considering Gallavich, as a couple, and Mickey, as an individual, get the best development by far. I just wish that investment encompassed all aspects of the pairing.
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Anyway, everyone needs to shut up about Monica and Ian needs to get his shit together. I get his argument that he’s not the only messed up one but he knows that the difference is he’s messed up in a way he can’t control. I’m interested to see what finally snaps him out of his denial since not even endangering Yev’s life did it.
I think the biggest issue here is honestly the fear of becoming Monica and putting the people he cares about through what she's done to them, which obviously the constant comparison doesn't help him with. I'm really, really hoping there's a moment where his siblings realize he may be sick like Monica but he's not her. I think he'd be able to accept what's going on a lot easier if he just had someone tell him it'll be alright, he'll get through this, it doesn't have to be the death sentence everyone seems determined to treat it as. When he talked to Carl, like you said in your post he was very patient despite the offensive and blunt way Carl was talking about it. Ian's not nearly as in denial as before, I think right now there's just a lot of resentment for people comparing him to his mother and trying to handle him the same way they used to handle her.

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There is no way such a huge amount of heroin would be transported by a newbie, an incompetent one at that, with no supervision. So, whatever. The only thing I am clear about is that Sammi was in the right and Fiona can turn her bitch face on herself. She’s not even embarrassed/guilty that her 13 y/o brother is a drug dealer and she had no clue, yet she is supposed to be his guardian.
I agree, there's no way Carl would be given that much heroin on a first time run when he's that young and inexperienced. I think the writers didn't give it much thought and just threw it in because of the actor wanting to take a bit of time off in the season.

And I completely understood why the Gallagher's were upset that Sammi ratted Carl out but at the same time they can't expect her to do any differently. He got her son locked up in jail and was going to let him take the fall for it, and she has no real bonds with any of them at this point. Who is she going to choose, the delinquent who got her son arrested or her apparently 13-year-old child? She may not be mother of the year but I know what I'd choose lol.

I've given up on making sense of Fiona's lack of responsibility this season because it's just too exhausting. I'm just going to enjoy her pretending she chose family first when in reality she came home because of the fight with Gus and because of the mandatory supervision Ian required until he got used to his meds.

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Distancing Svetlana from Ian & Mickey is the best thing they could have done for me & the character, imo.
Am I the only one getting the feeling that she might actually move in with Kev and Vee on a more permanent basis? As soon as they had her in that scene with Veronica I started thinking that might be their intentions.

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That final scene was everything. I loved everything about it. I think the lack of dialogue between Ian/Mickey in the past 3 episodes was highly effective in showing the distance, loneliness and despair that is often experienced in relationships involving mentally-ill people. It’s been tough to watch. Episode 7, in particular, left me wrecked. But it felt necessary. If they don’t have any meaningful dialogue next episode I’ll start to get irritated.
This is pretty much how I feel about it, I kind of like the lack of communication given the current circumstances but as you said if it continues for too long it'll get annoying. We're definitely moving on to the next phase of their storyline, though, and I do think there'll be some talking. I'm going to write up a proper post about the final scene and Ian and Mickey's story so far later so I'll elaborate more then.

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I typed out this whole thing about baiting but it went way off topic so I might post it in an appropriate thread. In short, I understand where that sentiment comes from and I agree to a certain extent. But I can also see that there is a lot of investment in the pairing considering Gallavich, as a couple, and Mickey, as an individual, get the best development by far. I just wish that investment encompassed all aspects of the pairing.
Sums up exactly how I feel. What Gallavich lacks in quantity, they make up for tenfold in quality, and they may not always be treated equally to other ships but the amount of love and dedication gone into developing their story and their relationship makes up for a lot of that in my books. I might grumble about it on days where I have to put up with particularly annoying scenes, but overall I don't doubt for a second that this ship is loved by those involved with making the show.

Edit - Somehow I totally missed Anette's reply to my post earlier, I just saw it now when scrolling through the thread. Sorry about that!

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I like that their interactions have all been meaningful and epic, but that's also not really necessary though, is it? It's alright to throw in mundane moments here and there, like the breakfast scenes in s4 or just some conversation like the dugout scene. I'm not asking for ten scenes each episode, because in this one it made sense to only have one really sweet one to end with, just so we could feel the absence and the longing, but the first half of the season was kind of hmm. I'm optimistic though, there's still the last episodes to go and they're pretty often the best ones.
The last few episodes are by far usually the best, so I'm looking forward to that. I know what you mean about the first half of the season though, it just fell short and I don't really know why because we did get some good scenes. It just feels like they hung out more in past seasons, which could be because of the focus shifting to Ian's bipolar disorder and the effects it's had on their relationship, or it could be because their relationship is public now so they don't have to sneak off to hang out any more and thus we lose some of those more intimate hangout scenes. Maybe it's because Mickey's getting more focus now as an individual character rather than a love interest, so we're seeing less of them together and more of them apart. Or it could be a combination of all those things, who knows.

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I really did love this episode though, I thought it was great. And the Gallagher family moments were amazing. I loved Debbie running to Fiona in tears and every shot of Cam in this episode was gorgeously filmed, the pool scene anyone???
SO MANY GALLAGHER FAMILY FEELS, ugh it made me so happy. And yeah, some of the directing was really well done and the pool scene was especially gorgeous. Cam's also really been doing well with showing Ian's bipolar disorder, I said this to you on the shoutbox already but to anyone else reading this even my dad complimented his skills. He usually doesn't notice anyone outside of Lip and Fiona :lol:

Debbie and Carl are also totally bringing back the Gallagher family dynamic, they care about Ian so much in their own way and I'm so here for it. You can just see the affection Ian has for them too, because even though Carl is honestly kind of offensive with his questioning and treatment of Ian's disorder, Ian is patient and kind in dealing with him, he doesn't get on the defense because he knows Carl doesn't mean any harm in it, Carl still loves him. And Debbie is so worried that Ian might have swallowed his pills and you can tell he kind of wants to get mad at everyone assuming he'll do the things Monica would but he can't help comforting her and reassuring her that he didn't do that, wouldn't do that. Big brother Ian is what I live for.

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Also lmao @ Carl trying to give Ian electric shock therapy out of the goodness of his heart :laugh:
Only Carl could do something like that and make it seem like a heartwarming, amusing scene. And Ian, still heavily dosed with lithium and feeling out of it, knows Carl well enough to realize what he's trying to do and he's not angry about it because it's Carl and that's just the kind of thing Carl does. He's not always the smartest kid but he has a heart of gold. I feel like Ian doesn't have to pretend with Carl, because Carl might think the situation sucks but he doesn't really treat him any different, doesn't tiptoe around him, doesn't compare him to Monica every second breath. He just asks Ian what it's like, for him, and Ian answers truthfully rather than with blatant denial.
Edited by Jessica, Mar 11 2015, 11:28 PM.
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This was probably my favourite episode this season after Crazy Love. As for Ian & Mickey having virtually no dialogue lately, I actually quite like it. Obviously I want them talking to each other again in the future, but in these past few episodes I feel that the silence between them has been essential; it has wrapped them in this cocoon, as if they were in a bubble where the outside world ceases to exist, and the old romantic in me enjoys that. It's a contrast to all the chaos, but it's a tender, fragile bubble and having either of them speak too many words right now would burst it.
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