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SSJ Gohan vs SSJ Goten and SSJ Trunks
Topic Started: Aug 24 2012, 10:23 AM (1,035 Views)
SuperSaiyan1993
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Restrictions: Gohan can't go SSJ2
Gohan can't win because of a random rage boost

Goten gave Gohan trouble during training up to the point where Gohan is seriously contemplating the possibility of being surpassed by the kids.

Who wins in this 2 vs. 1 battle?
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p123
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They were knocked out unconscious. You can't get much closer to death than that. Perhaps the Cell Juniors felt they had accomplished their job?

Either way, Goku and Piccolo cannot be knocked out by the Cell Juniors.
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lol poor logic. The Cell Jr's hadn't got round to knocking them unconscious therefore they can't. Obviously if they were trying their hardest the humans would be dead. I didn't realize standing was a feat.
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Fuck

I'd say Gohan wins with some difficulty. But IDK, the sparring thing...my mind hurts thinking about it. But I'm sure Gohan is superior enough to win.
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Cell Juniors were just having fun with the humans prior to Cell telling them to stop playing around. They were beating the humans up badly, and then Cell says ok, quit playing around finish this. And they proceed to knock out all of their foes unconscious.

Cell Juniors are literally just not capable of KOing Goku / Piccolo / Trunks / Vegeta in that timeframe.
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p123
Aug 24 2012, 12:05 PM
Cell Juniors were just having fun with the humans prior to Cell telling them to stop playing around. They were beating the humans up badly, and then Cell says ok, quit playing around finish this. And they proceed to knock out all of their foes unconscious.

Cell Juniors are literally just not capable of KOing Goku / Piccolo / Trunks / Vegeta in that timeframe.
Is Goku closer to the humans than to Piccolo then? There's more than one reason why things could have been the way they were. You may think your version is more likely but please stop acting like there's only one way it can be interpreted.
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No Goku is obviously pretty damn close to Piccolo. You stop first and I will.
Your the one who's been acting like it's your way or the highway.
Honestly I don't see Goten vs Gohan going down like Cui vs Vegeta.
Edited by p123, Aug 24 2012, 12:11 PM.
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Fuck

The debate just started and Piccolo comes up? :batman:

I liek forums.
Edited by Kyouks, Aug 24 2012, 12:12 PM.
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How is Goku close to Piccolo? He looks closer to Tenshinhan from what we see of the battle...

I know it's a possibility, I just reject the Cell Jr stuff as evidence completely because we see next to nothing of it and nothing of Piccolo. I'd rather go by statements from a later arc. Base Vegeta does more to help with SPC than Piccolo does, yet Piccolo is apparently near SSJ Vegeta? Seems odd to me.
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Oh and Cooler.

Piccolo looks surpassed by Goten / Trunks very similar to how he looks when Goku / Cell power up. Thought that was interesting.
The battle means little. Cell juniors were having fun.

When the Cell Juniors are told to quit PLAYING AROUND, is when the fighting gets serious.
I would think that it was SSJ Vegeta who hit SPC not Base Vegeta.
Edited by p123, Aug 24 2012, 12:14 PM.
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Yeah lets move on from Piccolo and Cell Jr's man, we can do this in the other thread if need be.
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Or not...Get serious but doesn't kill the humans? Clearly not serious then. Also there's no evidence that Vegeta was a SSJ first. Why would AT not so it as SSJ Vegeta if that's what he meant.
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I'll have to look at that. You think they're equivelant?
Edited by Cooler, Aug 24 2012, 12:15 PM.
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Humans protected by plot armor. All of them were killed before, if they were killed again they wouldn't be able to return.

And it's quite easy to mistake a dead person for an unconscious person.

Because Base Vegeta doing anything to SPC is nonsense considering SSJ Vegeta's effort against SPC. Has nothing to do with Piccolo.

Look at what SSJ Vegeta did to SPC, squat. Base Vegeta, less than squat.
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Cell was distracted, surprise hits are more effective. It was base Vegeta. Piccolo apparently doesn't think he can do squat even with the element of surprise ;)

So the Cell Jr's were trying to kill the humans? The more likely solution is that they were still toying. Perhaps planning to end it soon.
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Cell stated they were toying around, so they were.

So you think the Cell Juniors can really wreck SSJ2 Gohan with a ki blast then? If Base Vegeta is capable of stumbling SPC, the Cell Juniors with a similar amplified attack should probably kill SSJ2 Gohan don't you think? I mean we are talking a 10-50x difference in power here.
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Surprise hits don't do damage to massively superior enemies they just knock back. Consider that SPC braced for SSJ Vegeta before you think if he was offguard when such an attack hit he wouldn't be staggered (like in the anime).
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So you see literally no difference if it was Base or SSJ Vegeta landing that attack?
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If SSJ Vegeta did that attack I think more than just Cell's head would have moved.
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Lol really? And you call the Cell Jr logic pathetic. Look at what you've become! You are so desperate to make Base Vegeta > Piccolo you don't even see what your doing...

Base Vegeta shouldn't be all that much stronger than the Future Androids, let alone the Present Androids.

Did Piccolo actually get weaker in the Rosat?
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It's as good a logic as using toying opponents to deduce someones standing, so why not just ignore both of them? Afterall if we're using later implications to overide earlier ones there are some things in the Boo arc which might interest you.
Edited by Cooler, Aug 24 2012, 12:34 PM.
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So you felt the Cell Jr logic was so bad you tried to find a comparison as bad as it in your favor?
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Pretty much, although to be honest I do think Piccolo is probably fairly stronger at the Cell Games. I just think AT changed his mind and nerfed him in favor of the base saiyans in the Boo arc. But I just find it easier to try and discredit the Cell Jr stuff.
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