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SSJ Gohan vs SSJ Goten and SSJ Trunks
Topic Started: Aug 24 2012, 10:23 AM (1,034 Views)
SuperSaiyan1993
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Restrictions: Gohan can't go SSJ2
Gohan can't win because of a random rage boost

Goten gave Gohan trouble during training up to the point where Gohan is seriously contemplating the possibility of being surpassed by the kids.

Who wins in this 2 vs. 1 battle?
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The Cell Junior stuff is pretty solid. It's not concrete, but Piccolo is definitely given some love here. He is clearly superior to a MSSJ. A weakened, battle worn MSSJ, but MSSJ nonetheless. That's some serious props.

Heck, they even talk about his power Post Rosat, and it was actually worthwhile for him to even go in there really makes me think he's still a beast.

No one thinks 50% Goku is his FP heading into the Cell Games...
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The Cell Jr stuff is a bunch of toying opponents who don't even one shot the humans, sorry but it's not solid man. Tenshinhan gets props as well then by your logic...

It's so worthwhile Goku basically says he's useless?

Like I said, I can see things in context meaning that Piccolo might be quite strong. But on the other hand AT's view of him in the Boo saga is clearly different.
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Kyouks
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Fuck

He ain't weak in the Buu Saga. Just irrelevant. He's below the MSSJs and now there are three SSJ2s...... :P
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Cell Juniors are toying with their opponents.
When it's time to stop playing around, everyone is eating dirt except for Piccolo / Trunks / Vegeta.

How hard of a concept is this?

Of course Piccolo gets no love in the Buu Saga. It's all about SSJ2 +. Look how badly the boys are treated with their comparable MSSJ power.

That's how you know it's all bullshit.
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p123
Aug 24 2012, 01:14 PM
Cell Juniors are toying with their opponents.
When it's time to stop playing around, everyone is eating dirt except for Piccolo / Trunks / Vegeta.

How hard of a concept is this?

Of course Piccolo gets no love in the Buu Saga. It's all about SSJ2 +. Look how badly the boys are treated with their comparable MSSJ power.

That's how you know it's all bullshit.


If they weren't still toying the humans would be dead. Surely that's not hard to understand either?

He gets no respect from Gohan or Vegeta either, both think they can beat him in base. Poor guy.
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Cell Juniors either thought they were dead or plot armor. Either is acceptable.

Funny how nothing suggested that Piccolo had any real threat from anyone besides the obvious until FP SSJ Kids at the Lookout.

But man, Piccolo must have really been in awe of all that stupendous Base Power displayed at the Budokai by the boys. I'm sure he was blown away, he just wanted to save his surprise for their full power :)
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p123
Aug 24 2012, 01:20 PM
Cell Juniors either thought they were dead or plot armor. Either is acceptable.

Funny how nothing suggested that Piccolo had any real threat from anyone besides the obvious until FP SSJ Kids at the Lookout.

But man, Piccolo must have really been in awe of all that stupendous Base Power displayed at the Budokai by the boys. I'm sure he was blown away, he just wanted to save his surprise for their full power :)
Aww P you're so cute :ermm:

So basically you answer to my question is plot...As opposed to the Cell Jr's were still toying. Mine is an in-universe explanation, yours is an out of universe cop out. So...I win -_-

The boys are weaker than the adults. Does Piccolo comment every time he's surpassed? No threat from anyone untilt he SSJ kids at the lookout. So all the stuff with Dabura and Boo, he's wasn't threatened. He was pretending to be a statue so he could spend time with his other trashling Krillin.
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So you don't think Piccolo can take out Imperfect Cell ( Future )
Edited by p123, Aug 24 2012, 01:29 PM.
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I do, but in this case I don't think it's necessary. Besides that my AT nerfed Piccolo in the Boo saga makes perfect sense and is out of universe but you seem to ignore it. So what gives?
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Damn, I edited my post..


Imperfect Cell ( Future Time Line ) >> Piccolo

Right?
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p123
Aug 24 2012, 01:26 PM
You don't believe in plot armor?
Sometimes the out of universe answer is superior. Not my fault the author does stuff like this.
Anyone with common sense doesn't walk into the Buu Saga expecting Piccolo to be one shot material for the Base Boys.

Luckily later in the saga we get a definitive Piccolo > base Boys

And since then Base Boys ~ Adults more or less, that should be settled.

The Base Saiyans do nothing for the radar Yamu has or the one Badibi has.

Base Saiyans fighting at an Androids level is the highest we ever see Buu Saga and prior to that.

Base Future Trunks is shown to be strong, but definitely ain't touching Piccolo.
We don't get anything definitive. Piccolo is included and does nothing on the rador for Yamu. Actually we see base saiyans fighting a SSJ3 tier...You also conviently keep avoid Gohan and Vegeta's comments. Scared you're going to be revealed as one of those guys who ignore statements or pass them of as character stupidity? The boys don't need to be close to the adults. Elder Kaioshin names Goku/Vegeta as 2 of the top 3 masters in the living and dead realms, he doesn't say top 5. Goku isn't impressed in the least by the boys full SSJ power.

Edit: Too much editting man! GRR.

We talking Boo saga Piccolo ro Cell Games Piccolo? :batman:
Edited by Cooler, Aug 24 2012, 01:32 PM.
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The radar should be on Gohan when he starts powering up though. No mention of him being powerful until SSJ2.
Yea you stated that

Imperfect Cell ( Future ) who SSJ Trunks killed, is >>> Piccolo ( Buu Saga )

I just don't agree with that.
Edited by p123, Aug 24 2012, 01:35 PM.
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Gohan says he can beat Piccolo in base, and Vegeta thinks he can beat everyone in base too. Whats there to disagree with? AT writes what the characters say, he knows Piccolo is going to enter.

Badidi and co are just completely ignorant of the powers involved, Yamu says a power far far far greater than his own is weak? He decides to rush a person who's power is off the charts?
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Together the kids could do it, but individually they'd get beat after a tough battle.
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Kyouks
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Fuck

@ Cooler.

Too much editing? Edit yo' post. You got a typo. "ro". trololol
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Kamikaze Pyro
Aug 24 2012, 02:42 PM
Together the kids could do it, but individually they'd get beat after a tough battle.
^This

I have a 10-15% gap between Teen Gohan and Kid Trunks. Goten's around Trunks' level, so he's not much different.
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Miles Edgeworth
Aug 24 2012, 03:12 PM
Kamikaze Pyro
Aug 24 2012, 02:42 PM
Together the kids could do it, but individually they'd get beat after a tough battle.
^This

I have a 10-15% gap between Teen Gohan and Kid Trunks. Goten's around Trunks' level, so he's not much different.
Hmm...where do you think Teen Gohan is in comparison to Kid Gohan and Cell Games Goku? Just curious.
Edited by Kyouks, Aug 24 2012, 03:46 PM.
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Teen Gohan's probably on par or a little stronger than Goku at the Cell Games IMO.
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What makes you say that KP?

I think Gohan feels weaker. He's poop.
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P I thought of an interesting point which supports my AT just went base saiyan mad in the Boo regardless of the Cell Saga;

If SSJ Trunks was 70% of MSSJ Goku at the Cell Games, and Goten and Trunks are slightly above that maybe closer to 80% or 85%. Then how is it according to you Future Trunks is slightly weaker than the Future Androids and Chibi Trunks is atleast equal to present #18?
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