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SSJ Gohan vs SSJ Goten and SSJ Trunks
Topic Started: Aug 24 2012, 10:23 AM (1,033 Views)
SuperSaiyan1993
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Restrictions: Gohan can't go SSJ2
Gohan can't win because of a random rage boost

Goten gave Gohan trouble during training up to the point where Gohan is seriously contemplating the possibility of being surpassed by the kids.

Who wins in this 2 vs. 1 battle?
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p123
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Trunks essentially gets home , turns Ssj and whoops ass. He's not playing any games and is looking to kill his torturous captors after a lifetime of horror.

When Trunks fights Cell , we see Base power is quite impressive. I'm cool with Base Trunks being around the Present Cyborgs.
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p123
Aug 24 2012, 12:31 PM

Base Vegeta shouldn't be all that much stronger than the Future Androids, let alone the Present Androids.
^^ Changed tune a bit. What do you have the difference between Future and Present. Show me all the base powers with the Androids.

TBH I don't know you're so resistant to AT changing his mind with Piccolo, why else would there be those comments in the earlier Boo saga.
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I actually just read that part over yesterday. To me it really just seemed like an eager Trunks getting rid of the vermin once and for all. Why mess around?

Honestly I just feel like Toriyama would be confused that people would take it that way. I think he would be like, Hey have you not been paying attention? Piccolo is a monster, of course he's not included in that logic you mope!

It seems so simple, and perhaps he realised or was told that hey, do you know people might actually take this to be that Piccolo is weaker than these guys? Nah , no way, anyone who read the story knows Piccolo is a beast. Oh alright, let me give them a clear Piccolo > base, although I feel it's unneeded.


Damn Cooler this working nights shit is fucking me up. I can't ever sleep! Damn! Might as well talk DB then right?


Well I'm using this for my Imperfect Cell Saga time period...



Piccolo 500
17 500
18 450
Weighted Piccolo 400
Imperfect Cell 350
SSJ Vegeta 300


So Future Cyborgs probably around SSJ Vegeta or so...
Edited by p123, Aug 25 2012, 05:47 AM.
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Victorious
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Gohan wins easily

base Gohan >> Kaioshin >> Piccolo >>> Kamiccolo > Android 18 ~ base Kids
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Prepare for the cold, hard fist of Justice

PrinceVegeta
Aug 24 2012, 03:46 PM
Miles Edgeworth
Aug 24 2012, 03:12 PM
Kamikaze Pyro
Aug 24 2012, 02:42 PM
Together the kids could do it, but individually they'd get beat after a tough battle.
^This

I have a 10-15% gap between Teen Gohan and Kid Trunks. Goten's around Trunks' level, so he's not much different.
Hmm...where do you think Teen Gohan is in comparison to Kid Gohan and Cell Games Goku? Just curious.
MSSJ Gohan (Cell Games) : 100
SSJ Gohan (Boo Saga) : 75 - 80
SSJ Trunks (Boo Saga) : 68 - 72
SSJ Goten (Boo Saga) : 68 - 72
MSSJ Goku (Cell Games) : 55 - 60


Note : I have Mirai Androids = Present Androids.
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p123
Aug 24 2012, 08:00 PM
What makes you say that KP?

I think Gohan feels weaker. He's poop.
Either Vic or Vic Unstoppable said Gohan was on par with Dabura, who was stated to be on par with Cell; if Gohan was a Super Saiyan, that would logically put Dabura around the level of power Cell fought Goku with.
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The fuck nigga?

SSJ Gohan >> SSJ Trunks >= SSJ Goten IMO. Goten couldn't land a single hit on Gohan and called him amazing. There is a gap. Also, that's before the damn budokai. I think that Goten and Trunks got nerfed after the sparring session, but let's not get into that. That turns into another Base Saiyans/Piccolo debate.
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Kyouks
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Fuck

@ Vic.

Nothing puts Base Gohan > Kaioshin. All the Base Saiyan proof in the Buu Saga goes to Goku and Vegeta. Like P said, Gohan is poop.

I've got nothing wrong with Base Goku >> Base Vegeta >>>>>>> Kaioshin > Base Gohan.
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Blade007
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Gohan offcourse. Goten couldn't even land a single punch against a defensive gohan. Case closed.
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Zarbon couldn't land anything on Vegeta. So Goten not landing on Gohan doesn't have to mean a large gap. Heck Goku was lucky to even land on Cell and they are supposedly a good match of power.
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Bad example. In both instances the opponents were "offensive" not "defensive". I can lose to someone who is weaker than me or I can struggle against a weaker person (if I'm defensive), but once I go offensive, game over.

I don't believe Gohan is leagues above Goten, but a BL gohan would absolutely destroy goten fairly easily.
Edited by Blade007, Aug 27 2012, 07:16 AM.
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p123
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What are you saying here?

Zarbon and Goten were both offensive.
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Blade007
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What I mean is that Gohan was defensive. He was holding back. The examples you stated - in both instances the opponents were offensive.

Zarbon - Vegeta = Both offensive

Goten - Offensive

Gohan - Defensive.

Now, if Gohan was offensive you would've a case.
Edited by Blade007, Aug 27 2012, 07:20 AM.
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p123
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That has nothing to do with my point.

You said that Goten couldn't hit Gohan thus Gohan >>> Goten

I brought up examples of people not being able to hit each other who were only A >= B
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I never said Gohan is leagues above Goten. So, ">>>" is not needed. I believe there is a good gap to a point Gohan will dominate easily if he goes offensive. That's why I said Gohan wins.

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That's conjecture. Nothing suggests that Gohan would dominate easily if he goes on the offensive though. Do you have any proof? Or feats? Or just your opinion?
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Ok here is the thing -

Goten goes all out against a defensive Gohan and couldn't even land 1 punch. So, I think it's safe to say that an offensive Gohan would easily murk him, no?

Offcourse it's just my opinion. As long as you have Gohan winning I'm all good.
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Which is exactly why I brought up examples of people who went all out , couldn't land a punch, and didn't get easily murked.

They got beat up, but not as you put it.
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if ur reading this it's too late

Why would Gohan/Goten want to murk Goten/Gohan in that sparring match?
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People go all out in sparring all the time.

Goten obviously did, he's just not good enough to hit Gohan.
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