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Super Saiyan 2 Broly vs ...
Topic Started: Aug 28 2012, 03:46 AM (1,128 Views)
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Team
  • Goku (At Fat Boo)
  • Vegeta (At Boo)
  • Gohan (At Cell)
  • Perfect Cell (Zenkai)
  • Gotenks (At Fat Boo)
Constraint
  • Team abilities are consistent with manga canon.
  • Assume that Vegeta has not lost power gained from Bobbiddi.
  • Gotenks is on time limit.
  • Cell will not trigger Zenkai from Kamikaze.
  • Team forfeits if Gotenks changes state beyond base.
  • Team forfeits if Goku changes state beyond Super Saiyan 2.

Team
  • Fat Boo (At Dabra)
  • Gotenks (At Fat Boo) [optional]
Constraint
  • Team abilities are consistent with manga canon.
  • Gotenks is on time limit.
  • Team forfeits if Fat Boo raise power beyond given instance.
  • Team forfeits if Gotenks changes state beyond base.
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Interesting topic. First off I do think Ssj2 Broly and Lssj Broly should be on the same tier. I think it's possible the Lssj form allows him to do certain things his Ssj2 form can't do but it's not relevant to power.

I think the Ssj Broly > Ssj Goku stuff is probably regarding M8. Although I don't really have an issue with it regarding M10 either.

I don't think Lssj Broly pulled off any feats on Teen Gohan that SPC couldn't.

However like I said I don't mind incorporating Ssj Broly >> Ssj Goku.


Considering all of this the minimum I would place Lssj Broly who I feel = Ssj2 Broly would be SPC tier.

The highest I would place Broly would be somewhere above Fat Buu Power Up 1.

Perhaps a Base Gotenks Pre Rosat level?

I could see Broly being perhaps double Majin Vegeta but that's as far as I will go.
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A hypothetical SSJ2 Broly would be perhaps one, if not the strongest SSJ2 tier, but that's about it.

He can take down all the guys you mentioned 1V1, but will lose if it goes 2v1.

SSJ2 Broly > SSJ2 Gohan > SSJ2 Goku = Majin Vegeta > Fat Buu (Dabura) > Base Gotenks Pre
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Blade Goku seems to be Gohan's superior in M10.
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Nothing new P. He is superior to everyone in pretty much every movie he's been lol.

If you're referring to beam struggle than you can say he was in mint condition (as opposed to gohan who was worn out) and also he went ssj2 in the end. Not to mention he should still have the toei power up from M8.
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One could argue that, but I still feel the canon Goku > Gohan should stick here in M10. It actually makes Broly stronger if you are trying to go with that.

It really does appear that Gohan / Goku going SSJ2 at the end of the beam struggle is a real possibility huh?

Goku kept the powerup from M8? No way dude.
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Yeah. Goku and Gohan both go SSJ2 in the end. Similar hairstyle as opposed to Goten. I think syn posted the pics, but I'll post the official and in movie pics.

I don't really know how to post here so I ll post my neoseeker link.

1. http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/88/t1702336-general-broly-debate-thread/15.htm => Official one

2. http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/88/t1702336-general-broly-debate-thread/16.htm => In movie one. Crimson posted these pics, I ll probably post a higher resolution one. I m creating a new thread on this so we ll discuss there.

About M8 - There is no reason why he won't have his power up? If you believe that Goku defeated broly in hell then this works perfectly fine. He could've just 1 shotted him in base form with this toei punch. Though I don't believe as movies don't follow each other.
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I think this theory really has to oomph to it. I have to investigate it further, but it's definitely in my plausible section.

Goku got a power up from people donating ki to him in M8. It's not his own power, he's not going to be able to keep that.




Remember that Pikkon and Goku are fighting Broly. Goku has SSJ2 and SSJ3, Pikkon if facing a real enemy, ala the real serious Blazing Shot Pikkon comes out.

I don't see how Broly has a chance in hell against those odds.
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It should be noted that SSJ2 Gohan/SSJ2 Goku and SSJ Goten didn't even succeed in dealing any damage to Broly with the KHH.
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I always thought that if Broly did have a Ssj2 transformation, it's power would be based of Broly's Ssj form, not his Lssj form...Brolys Lssj>Broly Ssj2 IMO, so I think he would loose this.
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if ur reading this it's too late

He wins them all, except Gotenks.

Here, the daiz states SSJ Broly > SSJ Goku (Buu Saga)

so a hypothetical SSJ2 Broly is still the strongest motherfucker around, he wins the first 4.
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Are you referring to base gotenks pre?
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if ur reading this it's too late

Oh, didn't notice the Pre-Rosat...

Yeah Base Gotenks Pre-Rosat does not equal SSJ2 lol, he probably gets owned as well.
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Base Gotenks >> Majin Vegeta Syn...


Are you sure SSJ Broly > SSJ Goku is referring to M10?
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He is talking about Base Gotenks Pre not Post.

And yes ssj broly > ssj goku (m10) stated in daiz.
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I'm talking about Base Gotenks Pre. He's superior to Majin Vegeta. I gotta let you guys in on my Gotenks logic.

If SSJ Broly is > SSJ Goku, he should be by a large amount.
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if ur reading this it's too late

p123
Aug 28 2012, 09:56 AM
I'm talking about Base Gotenks Pre. He's superior to Majin Vegeta. I gotta let you guys in on my Gotenks logic.

If SSJ Broly is > SSJ Goku, he should be by a large amount.
Yeah, the daiz stated that SSJ Broly is the owner of power that surpasses even Goku's.
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Ok cool. I'm down with that...

Also, I still think this is before the world tournament. Videl doesn't know about the DBs until after Majin Buu's release, and that wouldn't make sense here IMO...

Goten not going crazy about his dad can just be contributed to whatever TOEI logic you want.
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Absolutely nothing suggests that base gotenks pre > majin vegeta. Just because he survived doesn't mean jack. Vegeta could've escaped after using final impact.

gotenks pre is probably around teen gohan's level or weaker.
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I dont know, a power of teen Gohan's magnitude is a joke against Boo...They thought he might have some sort of shot, while Gohan ran away against Boo..Im not saying Gotenks has to be >>>>Vegeta, but he has to be stronger than Gohan
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