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Super Saiyan 2 Broly vs ...
Topic Started: Aug 28 2012, 03:46 AM (1,129 Views)
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Team
  • Goku (At Fat Boo)
  • Vegeta (At Boo)
  • Gohan (At Cell)
  • Perfect Cell (Zenkai)
  • Gotenks (At Fat Boo)
Constraint
  • Team abilities are consistent with manga canon.
  • Assume that Vegeta has not lost power gained from Bobbiddi.
  • Gotenks is on time limit.
  • Cell will not trigger Zenkai from Kamikaze.
  • Team forfeits if Gotenks changes state beyond base.
  • Team forfeits if Goku changes state beyond Super Saiyan 2.

Team
  • Fat Boo (At Dabra)
  • Gotenks (At Fat Boo) [optional]
Constraint
  • Team abilities are consistent with manga canon.
  • Gotenks is on time limit.
  • Team forfeits if Fat Boo raise power beyond given instance.
  • Team forfeits if Gotenks changes state beyond base.
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Syn
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if ur reading this it's too late

Your name explains it all.

In all seriousness,

How did he survive the Kamehameha again, hitting his chest even after his chest getting ripped apart in Movie 8? Broly would have survived and it was proven from the last movie, but he got pushed to the sun. The blast clearly overpowered Broly's shield too, but he still survived.

How did he survive getting his chest ripped apart from Goku?

How did he survive his body exploding twice while turning to LSSJ?

Lets say Toei blasts are inconsistent, sure. But we have to use some type of logic to disfigure it and this is the closest we can get.
Edited by Syn, Aug 30 2012, 10:06 PM.
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Hurry My Curry
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The fuck nigga?

What does that prove? If Ki blasts are inconsistent, then how can you say that Broly is stronger than anyone based off his tanking feats?
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Blade007
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Ki blasts are inconsistent? Can you pull some examples? Just wanna check.
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The fuck nigga?

In the anime, Vegeta tanks a galick gun from Semi-Cell despite struggling to tank a standard punch. Broly tanks a KHH from Goku and then gets one-shotted by the combined power of three half dead base saiyans + Piccolo and Goku. All the ones I can think off the top of my head. I'll try and find the thread where a guy listed a whole bunch of em after dinner.
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Syn
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if ur reading this it's too late

Alright, w/e. let's go to the amplification.

SSJ3 Goku obliterates Kid Buu with his "Real Kamehameha" which has a 2.2x amplifier

http://mangafox.me/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c008/11.html

SSJ3 Goku: 600
SSJ3 Goku's Kamehameha: 1320
Kid Buu: 800

Now, let's go to Movie 10 and have them as SSJ first.
SSJ Gohan: 50
SSJ Goku: 75
SSJ Goten: 20

Kamehameha:
SSJ Gohan: 110
SSJ Goku: 165
SSJ Goten: 44

110 + 165 + 44 = 219
Final Push: 340

Broly's Omega Blaster: 350
Intensions after interruption (his three ki blasts he launched before Trunks's interruption): 600
Interference: 225

Broly surviving it is a huge feat and it is proven.

Let's have them at SSJ2 now for the final push:
SSJ2 Goku: 150 x 2.2 = 330
SSJ2 Gohan: 100 x 2.2 = 220
Goten's Final Push: 44

330 + 220 = 550
550 + 44 = 594

Lets do it like this:
Say Goku comes first as an MSSJ, he fires his Kamehameha and it's at 165, Broly easily overpowers it.

First of all, SSJ Goku x 2.2 > SSJ2 Goku since SSJ2 Goku is a x2 multiplication of SSJ.

Then we have the fact that he goes SSJ2, which it gets amped to 330. Broly still overpowers it, adding Gohan and Goten is the only way it managed to beat Broly, but the thing is SSJ2 Gohan fills in the gap Goku is missing for the half-way point of SSJ3.

330 + 220 = 550
SSJ2 Gohan's Kamehameha Push: 220
SSJ2 Goku's KHH Push: 330
there is a gap of around 50
SSJ3 Goku = 600
Goten fills it in with his 44.

Verdict:
Broly being able to survive this Kamehameha has to have him around SSJ3 power. LSSJ Broly not even using his FP is even further proof that we can place Broly's Full Power around SSJ3 Goku, and this is all hax.

edit: Yet another inconsistency!

http://mangafox.me/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c009/4.html

Vegeta obliterates Kid Buu's lower half, we can assume since Kid Buu was laughing he wasn't using his FP but still, it is inconsistent.

And another note, the whole Spirit Bomb thing...

http://mangafox.me/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c014/7.html

He could have used Kaioken and it was over.
Edited by Syn, Aug 30 2012, 10:41 PM.
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Anime beats Manga
Aug 30 2012, 10:31 PM
In the anime, Vegeta tanks a galick gun from Semi-Cell despite struggling to tank a standard punch. Broly tanks a KHH from Goku and then gets one-shotted by the combined power of three half dead base saiyans + Piccolo and Goku. All the ones I can think off the top of my head. I'll try and find the thread where a guy listed a whole bunch of em after dinner.
I'm not sure if I'm going to call that a tank. They didn't actually show us and Vegeta had his aura up after the attack. May be he blocked it or deflected, no?

Anyways, this is why I feel your example is not relevant ->

That tanking feat is not consistent in comparison to Manga. It's basically toei mixing up shit. Movie is a completely different scenario. It was completely made by Toei Animation. They had full control and input.

About Goku 1 shotting Broly in M8. That can be explained as well.

Goku took their combined ki and amplified it in 1 punch. Just few minutes ago Broly dispelled his ki as his body was not stable cause of the excess building up of ki.

This can be supported by a GT example ->

Amplification is insane in GT. Pan/Goten and Trunks (who are not even 1% of ssj4 goku) gave Goku their ki in order to beat Syn Shenron. So, this is how it went -> Goku from getting bitchslapped by Syn ran circles around him. Hell Syn couldn't even touch him.



@SYN - KHH is not 2.2x multiplier. It has to be 3-3.5x.
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Blade007
Aug 30 2012, 10:46 PM
Anime beats Manga
Aug 30 2012, 10:31 PM
In the anime, Vegeta tanks a galick gun from Semi-Cell despite struggling to tank a standard punch. Broly tanks a KHH from Goku and then gets one-shotted by the combined power of three half dead base saiyans + Piccolo and Goku. All the ones I can think off the top of my head. I'll try and find the thread where a guy listed a whole bunch of em after dinner.
I'm not sure if I'm going to call that a tank. They didn't actually show us and Vegeta had his aura up after the attack. May be he blocked it or deflected, no?

Anyways, this is why I feel your example is not relevant ->

That tanking feat is not consistent in comparison to Manga. It's basically toei mixing up shit. Movie is a completely different scenario. It was completely made by Toei Animation. They had full control and input.

About Goku 1 shotting Broly in M8. That can be explained as well.

Goku took their combined ki and amplified it in 1 punch. Just few minutes ago Broly dispelled his ki as his body was not stable cause of the excess building up of ki.

This can be supported by a GT example ->

Amplification is insane in GT. Pan/Goten and Trunks (who are not even 1% of ssj4 goku) gave Goku their ki in order to beat Syn Shenron. So, this is how it went -> Goku from getting bitchslapped by Syn ran circles around him. Hell Syn couldn't even touch him.



@SYN - KHH is not 2.2x multiplier. It has to be 3-3.5x.
Even a bigger hax! LOL
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The fuck nigga?

Blade007
Aug 30 2012, 10:46 PM
Anime beats Manga
Aug 30 2012, 10:31 PM
In the anime, Vegeta tanks a galick gun from Semi-Cell despite struggling to tank a standard punch. Broly tanks a KHH from Goku and then gets one-shotted by the combined power of three half dead base saiyans + Piccolo and Goku. All the ones I can think off the top of my head. I'll try and find the thread where a guy listed a whole bunch of em after dinner.
I'm not sure if I'm going to call that a tank. They didn't actually show us and Vegeta had his aura up after the attack. May be he blocked it or deflected, no?

Anyways, this is why I feel your example is not relevant ->

That tanking feat is not consistent in comparison to Manga. It's basically toei mixing up shit. Movie is a completely different scenario. It was completely made by Toei Animation. They had full control and input.

About Goku 1 shotting Broly in M8. That can be explained as well.

Goku took their combined ki and amplified it in 1 punch. Just few minutes ago Broly dispelled his ki as his body was not stable cause of the excess building up of ki.

This can be supported by a GT example ->

Amplification is insane in GT. Pan/Goten and Trunks (who are not even 1% of ssj4 goku) gave Goku their ki in order to beat Syn Shenron. So, this is how it went -> Goku from getting bitchslapped by Syn ran circles around him. Hell Syn couldn't even touch him.



@SYN - KHH is not 2.2x multiplier. It has to be 3-3.5x.
The Vegeta stunt was anime filler, which is all Toei as well. It's the same to me. About Goku 1 shotting Broly. It makes a lot more sense if it was an amplified punch, but it wasn't shown. All we see is Goku punching Broly and killing him.
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What do you mean it wasn't shown?

KHH, Final Flash, SBC are all amplification attacks. I think that's pretty obvious, no?

The only logical explanation is he amplified his ki at point and 1 shotted Broly.

And the amplification has to be over 4x at minimum.
Edited by Blade007, Aug 30 2012, 10:58 PM.
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Syn
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if ur reading this it's too late

It has to be...

Or else why would Goku suddenly be on par with Broly after getting Vegeta's energy, when before he was still getting pummelled?

But I see that denial took over so eh.
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The fuck nigga?

Blade007
Aug 30 2012, 10:57 PM
What do you mean it wasn't shown?

KHH, Final Flash, SBC are all amplification attacks. I think that's pretty obvious, no?

The only logical explanation is he amplified his ki at point and 1 shotted Broly.

And the amplification has to be over 4x at minimum.
It wasn't shown. Sure all ki amplifiers are amplified lol, but this is just a punch. It's not no dumbass Dragon's Fist.

Edit - Oh give it a break Syn. Oh I'm in denial over a DBZ character. Jeez.
Edited by Hurry My Curry, Aug 30 2012, 11:00 PM.
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if ur reading this it's too late

Anime beats Manga
Aug 30 2012, 10:59 PM
Blade007
Aug 30 2012, 10:57 PM
What do you mean it wasn't shown?

KHH, Final Flash, SBC are all amplification attacks. I think that's pretty obvious, no?

The only logical explanation is he amplified his ki at point and 1 shotted Broly.

And the amplification has to be over 4x at minimum.
It wasn't shown. Sure all ki amplifiers are amplified lol, but this is just a punch. It's not no dumbass Dragon's Fist.
Ask me this, how can Goku's TP NOT be an amplifier when, Broly tanked an amplifying KHH in Movie 8?
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Syn
Aug 30 2012, 11:01 PM
Anime beats Manga
Aug 30 2012, 10:59 PM
Blade007
Aug 30 2012, 10:57 PM
What do you mean it wasn't shown?

KHH, Final Flash, SBC are all amplification attacks. I think that's pretty obvious, no?

The only logical explanation is he amplified his ki at point and 1 shotted Broly.

And the amplification has to be over 4x at minimum.
It wasn't shown. Sure all ki amplifiers are amplified lol, but this is just a punch. It's not no dumbass Dragon's Fist.
Ask me this, how can Goku's TP NOT be an amplifier when, Broly tanked an amplifying KHH in Movie 8?
TP? What the hell is a TP? Broly tanked a KHH yes. Toei blasts are inconsistent. You admitted it yourself.
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Toei Punch.

And no, I didn't admit anything, I brought up the fact that so what? Check my Manga fox links btw.
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The fuck nigga?

Toei Punch? Where was this stated? It looked like a regular punch to me.
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Oh god, obviously the denial kicked in. Cya!
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The fuck nigga?

Beats a hasty retreat as soon as he can :D
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^ This just proves that Bichness thinks SSJ2 Broly >> Fat Buu.
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