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Super Saiyan Vegeta (At Bobbidi's Ship) vs ...
Topic Started: Sep 2 2012, 03:32 AM (251 Views)
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Match: Super Saiyan Goku (At Cell)
Match: Super Saiyan Gohan (At Cell)

Essentially, this is just to see where everyone is.

For people who state that, at Boo, neither Goku nor Vegeta was any stronger than Gohan at Cell, did Goku not gain much strength in 7 years, and did Vegeta just suck that hard to where, even with seven years and his potential released, he is still only as strong as Gohan was then?

In other words:

Goku (At Cell)
Gohan (At Cell)
Vegeta (At Bobbiddi's Ship)
Goku (At Vegeta)
Vegeta (At Boo)

Where are they all? Can Vegeta even take Goku from Seven Years prior.
Every implication states yes. Vegeta knows that Goku is stronger than he was previous and is still intends on fighting him.

If Vegeta really is still weaker than Gohan, how much room is there in:

     Goku (At Cell) < Vegeta (At Bobbiddi's Ship) < [Gohan (At Cell), Goku (At Vegeta), Vegeta (At Boo)]
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Well as I've said in other topics I gave Gohan a rage boost in the Cell games, this lets Goku and Majin Vegeta to be only somewhat above enraged SSj2 Gohan, but a decent amount above normal kid Gohan. I have Vegeta much stronger than Goku was in the Cell Games, which works with his confidence in beating Goku, plus Goku and Vegeta's mentioning that they've "Improved quite a lot".

I'd have something like this:
Majin Vegeta ~ Buu saga Goku > enraged kid Gohan > Buu saga Vegeta >> Gohan at Cell (Normal) > Goku (Cell Games)
Edited by Clearin, Sep 2 2012, 07:24 AM.
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I have Gohan doing something similar; it's essentially "rage boost," except I call it his potential maximum. I have decent gaps that I'd consider "minimal;" Gohan's SSJ max is near double Goku and more than 2.5 times Vegeta.

warning: chart

Son Goku (At Cell, Round 2)
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0 / 0
50
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Son Gohan (At Cell)
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5 / 1
73
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Vegeta (At Cell Junior)
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-5 / -1
34
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Son Gohan (At Cell, Maximum)
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8 / 2
91
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Son Gohan (At Cell Junior, Super Saiyan 2)
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8 / 2
91
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I guess this topic wasn't good...?
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if ur reading this it's too late

Vegeta wins the first three.
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there're only 2 matches.
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No, I think you pose a good question. Vegeta (Pre-Beyond Limits Power-Up) vs. Kid Gohan is an often debated topic. I think even Vegeta vs. Goku (Cell Games) is a good topic of discussion as well.

I'll start with Vegeta (Pre-Beyond Limits Power-Up) vs. Goku (Cell Games). I think that Gohan training in hopes of winning the Budokai means that he at least thinks he can train to be on par with Goku (Cell Games). This is often why people put a floor on how much Teen Gohan weakened.

That said, Vegeta realizes he is superior to Teen Gohan when he sees Gohan against Dabura for one. That leads to this chain for me:

Vegeta > Teen Gohan (Post-Budokai Training) > Goku (Cell Games)

Then the tougher debate: Vegeta vs. Kid Gohan. We get a few quotes pertaining to this:

Chapter: 423 (DBZ 229), P4.1
Vegeta: “Your body’s gotten rusty. No matter how peaceful it may be, you should still train just in case.”

Chapter: 426 (DBZ 232), P4.2-3
Vegeta: “At that time there was a large gap between our powers…But what about now? While you’ve been enjoying peace, I’ve continued to train.”

IMO, the first quote indicates that Vegeta realizes that Teen Gohan is weaker than when he was a kid by saying that he looks rusty.

Then, coupled with the first quote, I think the second quote is basically saying, "You got weaker, I got stronger, I wonder what the gap is now," which would imply to me that Kid Gohan is superior to Vegeta.

Final chain (IMO):

Kid Gohan > Vegeta > Teen Gohan > Goku (Cell Games)

which is another reason why people believe in a decently sized gap between SSj Kid Gohan and SSj Goku at the Cell Games :).
Edited by Infamous_666, Sep 3 2012, 05:50 PM.
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^ I'm sold. I've always switched between having Vegeta a bit inferior and Vegeta being equal, and the only argument I ever got for Kid Gohan > Vegeta before was "there isn't enough room for Vegeta to be on par with Kid Gohan". Nice work!
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I'm glad I could help :).

I believe some other posters can pose strong counter arguments to what I presented that could well sway your opinion yet again :).
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Infamous_666
Sep 3 2012, 06:51 PM
I'm glad I could help :).

I believe some other posters can pose strong counter arguments to what I presented that could well sway your opinion yet again :).
You're awesome.
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Infamous_666
Sep 3 2012, 06:51 PM
I'm glad I could help :).

I believe some other posters can pose strong counter arguments to what I presented that could well sway your opinion yet again :).
I sure hope so, but I always figured the evidence was split between Vegeta = Kid Gohan, and Kid Gohan > Vegeta, with Vegeta = Kid Gohan being based more on assumptions/deep interpretations. But I never looked at it at the right angle, I suppose.

Have to wait 22 hours before giving rep..........
Edited by Kyouks, Sep 3 2012, 07:03 PM.
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