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SSJ Vegeta @ Initial Final Form Frieza vs King Cold
Topic Started: Sep 6 2012, 07:54 AM (491 Views)
SuperSaiyan1993
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Winner?
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Cold.

King Cold has to be around 130,000,000
Vegeta lost to a suppressed Frieza...
His SSJ form has to be less than Cold's PL.
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Why does Cold have to be around that level? And why does Vegeta's Super Saiyan have to be weaker than Cold?

As for the battle, I think Vegeta's in the 2-2.5 million range, so he'd be a bit stronger than Freeza's 100% power. Since I don't think Cold's as strong as 100% Freeza, Vegeta would most likely dust him off.
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I agree w/ Turlast, except having Vegeta at 2,000,000 against Freeza, his SSJ power would be 100,000,000, which I think would be less than King Cold's power; Cold was on the same tier as Freeza and implied to be able to help Freeza in a fight, and Freeza is supposed to be stronger than SSJ Goku on Namek.
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Yeah, listing the 2-2.5 range when talking about Vegeta's power is often a habit, when I actually have him in the 2.5 million range. I agree that he'd be weaker than Cold if he was only around 100 million as a Super Saiyan, tho.
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I haven't done power levels at all in a long time, 2nd Form Freeza is above 1,000,000, that's a given:

Form 2 Freeza: 900,000 (Initial)*
Form 2 Freeza: 1,200,000 (Power Up 1)**
Form 2 Freeza: 1,400,000 (Power Up 2)***
Piccolo: 1,600,000 (Fused w/ Nail, Weighted)****
Form 2 Freeza: 1,950,000 (Power Up 3, 100%)*****
Piccolo: 2,145,000 (Fused w/ Nail, Unweighted)******

*
Freeza: "At any rate, my power is excessive. Perhaps I've overdone it... Kukkukku... Incidentally, if [my strength] were put into battle power, it would be over 1,000,000, surely..."
Vegeta: “Wh-what!?”

**
Piccolo: “Freeza’s power rose all at once…! I’m coming, Gohan!”
***
Gohan: “It…it can’t be…His ki power is getting even stronger…!”
Vegeta: “Ho…how can this be?...To think that he could control his battle power…!”

****
Kuririn: “In-incredible…[Piccolo]’s fighting evenly with Freeza…”
Vegeta: “No…no…He’s more than [even]…”

*****
Context: after second form Freeza starts fighting more seriously
Freeza: “You realized just now, right? That you underestimated me. But you’re better than I imagined. That’s what made me show you my true ability.”

******
Context: after second form Freeza beats Piccolo up, and Piccolo finally removes his weights
Piccolo: “Me too. I’ll get serious…”
[ ]
Freeza: “Are you saying you weren’t serious before? Kukkukkuh…I didn’t know Namekians told jokes…”
Piccolo: “You’ll see soon enough.”


Gah, I seriously need to reconsider my gaps now that I thought over it; Goku's probably at 4,000,000-5,000,000

No longer can I have Goku at 3,000,000 against Freeza w/ this :p
Edited by Flying Nimbus Forever, Sep 6 2012, 08:16 PM.
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It's easier to make your power levels work if you ignore the daizenshuu having goku at 3,000,000. Otherwise there's just too little of a gap to fit everything in.

Even if you have vegeta as low as 2.5 million, he's still only 125,000,000, so if you had cold at 130,000,000 he'd still lose.

However colds power level was weaker than furiza's, and furiza was way weaker than his namek max upon arrival to earth. So assuming kold is at his max, a 50x SSJ multiplier, and 120 million being furiza's namek max, vegeta tromps.
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I ignored Daizenshuu PLs, which put 100% Freeza at 410,000,000 and a 60x multiplier for SSJ :P.

Vegeta (Zenkai): 4,800,000
SSJ Vegeta: 288,000,000
Freeza (100%): 410,000,000
King Cold: ??? (comparable to Freeza)

So I'd say Cold stomps.

Sauce: http://w11.zetaboards.com/Shinden_Reborn/single/?p=8030318&t=8095607
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Sep 7 2012, 04:23 PM
I ignored Daizenshuu PLs, which put 100% Freeza at 410,000,000 and a 60x multiplier for SSJ :P.

Vegeta (Zenkai): 4,800,000
SSJ Vegeta: 288,000,000
Freeza (100%): 410,000,000
King Cold: ??? (comparable to Freeza)

So I'd say Cold stomps.

Sauce: http://w11.zetaboards.com/Shinden_Reborn/single/?p=8030318&t=8095607
Just out of curiosity, where would you have SSj Future Trunks, Post Yadrat Goku, and both of them post their rosats?
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The Worst Foe Lies Within The Self

Cold is ''somewhat inferior'' to Freeza.

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Syn Shenron
Sep 7 2012, 05:15 PM
Dark Nimbus Supreme Incandenza
Sep 7 2012, 04:23 PM
I ignored Daizenshuu PLs, which put 100% Freeza at 410,000,000 and a 60x multiplier for SSJ :P.

Vegeta (Zenkai): 4,800,000
SSJ Vegeta: 288,000,000
Freeza (100%): 410,000,000
King Cold: ??? (comparable to Freeza)

So I'd say Cold stomps.

Sauce: http://w11.zetaboards.com/Shinden_Reborn/single/?p=8030318&t=8095607
Just out of curiosity, where would you have SSj Future Trunks, Post Yadrat Goku, and both of them post their rosats?
Lol, I'd have to keep going w/ that PL list to determine, but just off the top of my head:

Mecha Freeza: 600,000,000
SSJ Mirai Trunks: 780,000,000
SSJ Goku (Post-Yardrat): 950,000,000

For Post-RST, I don't even know, lol.

Gaps: SSJ Mirai Trunks = 1.3x Freeza
SSJ Goku: 1.25x Trunks
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Sep 7 2012, 07:52 PM
Syn Shenron
Sep 7 2012, 05:15 PM
Dark Nimbus Supreme Incandenza
Sep 7 2012, 04:23 PM
I ignored Daizenshuu PLs, which put 100% Freeza at 410,000,000 and a 60x multiplier for SSJ :P.

Vegeta (Zenkai): 4,800,000
SSJ Vegeta: 288,000,000
Freeza (100%): 410,000,000
King Cold: ??? (comparable to Freeza)

So I'd say Cold stomps.

Sauce: http://w11.zetaboards.com/Shinden_Reborn/single/?p=8030318&t=8095607
Just out of curiosity, where would you have SSj Future Trunks, Post Yadrat Goku, and both of them post their rosats?
Lol, I'd have to keep going w/ that PL list to determine, but just off the top of my head:

Mecha Freeza: 600,000,000
SSJ Mirai Trunks: 780,000,000
SSJ Goku (Post-Yardrat): 950,000,000

For Post-RST, I don't even know, lol.

Gaps: SSJ Mirai Trunks = 1.3x Freeza
SSJ Goku: 1.25x Trunks
You do know this changes evvverrrytttthing above Frieza Saga right? Vegeta would be way to fucking low, Gohan, Future Trunks, and Goku are all haxed.

Lolz.
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I don't even know. I could just keep the same numbers and bloat everything else accordingly, no problem.

Goku is only, what, 2-3x stronger than Vegeta in Trunks Saga? IDK.
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This could make sense if you give him smaller boosts in Rosat, OR you have him holding a shit-ton back against Perfect Cell, in which I know people hate it when someone says it.
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Wait, how does it make Gohan/Goku haxed Post-RST, though?
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Sep 7 2012, 09:45 PM
Wait, how does it make Gohan/Goku haxed Post-RST, though?
Because you have him about 3x stronger than what the Daiz has in the Frieza Saga, somewhere around 510,000,000 for you and 150,000,000 from the Daiz.
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It's higher in comparison to the Daiz, yes, but as long as I bloat every other character accordingly, an actual change in gaps is not made.
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Ahh, alright. Makes sense.
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Considering that Cold rides Frieza's d***, I'd say Vegeta. Also, I think Frieza said no one had made him use half his power before (IDK if this was anime-only or not). Also, Goku is def above 3 mil.

I'll just use Daiz PLs so show my thoughts 'cause I don't wanna come up wiff new ones:

Vegeta ~ 2,250,000
Goku ~ 3,000,000
Cold ~ 60,000,000
SSJ Vegeta ~ 112,500,000
SSJ Goku ~ 150,000,000
Frieza ~ 145,000,000
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if Cold was 60,00,000 I think Trunks's punch would have destroyed him.
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