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LSSJ Broly (M8) Vs SSJ2 Teen Gohan pre-Budokai
Topic Started: Sep 8 2012, 11:23 AM (919 Views)
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Who wins?

Honestly, if people have FP PC winning against SSJ2 Teen Gohan, I have Broly winning too.
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Kyouks
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The idea of FP PC beating any SSJ2 is hilarious.

Anyways, they might be in the same ballpark, IMO, given that this Broly is probably a good amount stronger than PC, but so is SSJ2 Teen Gohan, and they're both a decent amount below SPC. So I'll give it to Borly because of his LSSJ properties.
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Kyouka Suigetsu
Sep 8 2012, 11:28 AM
The idea of FP PC beating any SSJ2 is hilarious.

Anyways, they might be in the same ballpark, IMO, given that this Broly is probably a good amount stronger than PC, but so is SSJ2 Teen Gohan, and they're both a decent amount below SPC. So I'll give it to Borly because of his LSSJ properties.
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Broly loses horrendously since I don't have him stronger than FP Perfect Cell in Movie 8, and I obviously don't have Cell stronger than a SSJ2.
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Gohan has a bit of a rough time beating Broly (MOSTLY from being rusty in the skills department), but still definitely beats him.
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GridZero
Sep 8 2012, 11:29 AM
Broly loses horrendously since I don't have him stronger than FP Perfect Cell in Movie 8, and I obviously don't have Cell stronger than a SSJ2.
Oh ho ho, a debate between me and you has commenced!

But first we need to ask some questions:

What is your KHH amplifier in the Cell Games and Buu Saga?
What is your multiplier from SSJ to SSJ2?
Where do you have this Teen Gohan, and M10 Teen Gohan?
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The only reason I sorta ended up having Borly above FP PC here is because of the RSSJ Broly > MSSJ Goku crap.

If I used my old PLs list:

MSSJ Goku ~ 50 - 60
MSSJ Gohan ~ 75
RSSJ Borly ~ 75 - 80
FP PC ~ 160 - 200
LSSJ Borly ~ 225 - 240

Even with PC at a whopping 2.66x stronger than MSSJ Kid Gohan, Borly is above him IMO.
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Does the KHH Amplifier matter? Toei didn't give a shit, obviously.

My SSJ2 Multiplier is x4, but I generally use x2.

And for simplicity's sake, Movie 10 Gohan = Budokai Gohan.
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Kyouka Suigetsu
Sep 8 2012, 11:36 AM
The only reason I sorta ended up having Borly above FP PC here is because of the RSSJ Broly > MSSJ Goku crap.

If I used my old PLs list:

MSSJ Goku ~ 50 - 60
MSSJ Gohan ~ 75
RSSJ Borly ~ 75 - 80
FP PC ~ 160 - 200
LSSJ Borly ~ 225 - 240

Even with PC at a whopping 2.66x stronger than MSSJ Kid Gohan, Borly is above him IMO.
Well here is my Power Levels (Cell Games and M8)

Cell Games:
~Base Goku: 5
~MSSJ: 250
~ Warming up: 75
~~~ Instant Transmission KHH: 1250

Son Gohan:
~Base: 6.4
~MSSJ: 320
~SSJ2: 1280
~ Rage Boost: 2000
~50% Ki: 610

~50% Ki KHH: 3020
~ Final Push: 3500

Cell:
~ Perfect Form (Warm Up): 75
~ Second Warm Up: 275
~ All Out: 330
~ Full Power: 700
~Super Perfect: 1600
~KHH (I have it less perfected since he isn't an actual user of it) 3200

Movie 8:
Base Goku: 4.8
MSSJ: 240
KHH: 1200 (why people decide not to give it the same amplifier as the one he did it to Cell, I don't know)

Base Gohan: 4.5
MSSJ: 225
Masenko: 562.5

Base Broly: 5
RSSJ Broly: 250
LSSJ Broly: 1500

Buu Saga:
Base Gohan: 4.2
SSJ Gohan: 210
SSJ2: 840
Rage Boost: 1200

This is the most logical PL list I have. Even when I nerfed them. This is influenced by VIC'S list.
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If I put a lot of stock in PLs, I'd say SSJ2 Teen Gohan is stronger than LSSJ Broly before one of his little "power-ups".

So, like:

LSSJ Borly ~ 225
SSJ2 Gohan ~ 250
LSSJ Borly supah powah ~ 275
SPC ~ 300 - 340

My PLs is messy though. I has to gotz to fix 'em. But it's what I've got as of now.
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People say it takes an SSJ2 to defeat FP PC.

That may be true, but look at it this way...

RSSJ Broly was stated to be stronger than the Z-Fighters from King Kai and Goku. Goku was impressed and even astonished when Broly tanked Vegeta's hit. Goku even fought evenly with warm-up Cell.

People have Cell (Holding back speed) about 3.6x weaker than FP PC.

Ok sure. So we can assume RSSJ Broly = Holding Back Speed Cell.

Now, assuming that the multiplier from RSSJ Broly to LSSJ Broly is about, idk 3-5x SSJ, Broly is at the least FP PC level in M8. And we don't even know if he was using his FP.

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Personally, I say to hell with that not using FP crap. He wouldn't have randomly just gotten stronger in the middle of the movie if he wasn't at FP, IMO. But he was toying, no doubt. He had to have at least been at FP against the haxed Goku at the end.

TBH, the only way you can have Borly below FP PC is by making M8 people "Semi-RST" and crap.


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Kyouka Suigetsu
Sep 8 2012, 12:12 PM
Personally, I say to hell with that not using FP crap. He wouldn't have randomly just gotten stronger in the middle of the movie if he wasn't at FP, IMO. But he was toying, no doubt. He had to have at least been at FP against the haxed Goku at the end.

TBH, the only way you can have Borly below FP PC is by making M8 people "Semi-RST" and crap.


Exactly.
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LSSJ Broly movie 8 ~ FP Perfect Cell

The LSSJ may even be a little more powerful but I won't break into a tangent. SSJ2 Teen Gohan pre Budokai is on record the weakest SSJ2 in all of DBZ. This is fact. Now Broly and FP Cell had power that exceeded any canon SSJ. In this case, is it enough to cover the SSJ-SSJ2 gap?

Random numbers:

Base Gohan - 1

SSJ Gohan - 50

SSJ2 Gohan - 200

RSSJ Broly - 70

LSSJ Broly - 210

I believe the LSSJ will win. If it were any other SSJ2, I would say otherwise, but Gohan's pathetic degradation of his power and skills make this possible
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If M8 = Cell Games I would think Lssj Broly is at least stronger than SPC.
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p123
Sep 10 2012, 03:35 PM
If M8 = Cell Games I would think Lssj Broly is at least stronger than SPC.
With the daiz saying it does take place in the 10 day gap, and MSSJ Goku and Gohan looking exactly and having the same exact characteristics as their Cell Games selves, yeah it should.
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Wasn't RSSJ Borly said to be possibly even stronger than MSSJ Goku and the gang by Kaio?

RSSJ Borly also showed a sick tank against Vegeta's kick, Vegeta, who by manga statements, said himself to be much stronger than the power Goku showed at Korin.

It's up to debate whether MSSJ Goku could pull off the same tank w/ Vegeta, but both of these puts RSSJ Borly right off the bat on the same tier as MSSJ Goku.

Then there's SSJ Borly (MSSJ Gohan tier?) and then of course, LSSJ Borly. Just going with that logical chain of progression (MSSJ Goku MSSJ Gohan), I'd put LSSJ Borly about on the power of FP-PC, a pretty popular placement.

But the actual feat(s) we get, disregarding logical progression, is LSSJ Borly tanking Goku's Kamehameha (what would the multiplier be by now; 3×? 3.5×?) and generally pwning MSSJ Goku.

As for SSJ2 Teen Gohan, we know SSJ2 Kid Gohan is SPC tier (not getting into who's stronger), and Gohan is supposed to be "far far better when he was a kid" (paraphrasing). But would he be FP-PC? SSJ2 Kid Gohan was humiliating FP-PC. You'd have to assume Gohan lost a shit-load of power if Kid Gohan could stomp Teen Gohan, and Gohan losing a lot of power is stated.

So just assuming they're same tier, Borly would win by default because of LSSJ properties like Kyouka said (immunity to pain, replenishing ki, possible others?)
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Don Gately
Sep 10 2012, 03:52 PM
Wasn't RSSJ Borly said to be possibly even stronger than MSSJ Goku and the gang by Kaio?

RSSJ Borly also showed a sick tank against Vegeta's kick, Vegeta, who by manga statements, said himself to be much stronger than the power Goku showed at Korin.

It's up to debate whether MSSJ Goku could pull off the same tank w/ Vegeta, but both of these puts RSSJ Borly right off the bat on the same tier as MSSJ Goku.

Then there's SSJ Borly (MSSJ Gohan tier?) and then of course, LSSJ Borly. Just going with that logical chain of progression (MSSJ Goku MSSJ Gohan), I'd put LSSJ Borly about on the power of FP-PC, a pretty popular placement.

But the actual feat(s) we get, disregarding logical progression, is LSSJ Borly tanking Goku's Kamehameha (what would the multiplier be by now; 3×? 3.5×?) and generally pwning MSSJ Goku.

As for SSJ2 Teen Gohan, we know SSJ2 Kid Gohan is SPC tier (not getting into who's stronger), and Gohan is supposed to be "far far better when he was a kid" (paraphrasing). But would he be FP-PC? SSJ2 Kid Gohan was humiliating FP-PC. You'd have to assume Gohan lost a shit-load of power if Kid Gohan could stomp Teen Gohan, and Gohan losing a lot of power is stated.

So just assuming they're same tier, Borly would win by default because of LSSJ properties like Kyouka said (immunity to pain, replenishing ki, possible others?)
Yes, yes, yes and the amp should be 5x, still.

I explained much more in depth in the thread I just put up, lol.
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W/ 5 times multiplier, I'd put Borly easily far far above FP-PC considering he wasn't even at full power until the end probably IMO.
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Rssj Broly keeps getting nerfed here IMO...
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