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Pui Pui VS....
Topic Started: Sep 8 2012, 12:52 PM (705 Views)
Kyouks
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Pui Pui is basically stated to be >> Frieza, and logically, >> SSJ Goku on Namek. But let's put him in a gauntlet where he heals after each fight:

SSJ Future Trunks (@ Frieza)
No. 19 (post)
Piccolo (Androids arc)
SSJ Vegeta (Androids arc)
Metal Coola
No. 18
Kamiccolo
Imperfect Cell (post humans)
SSJ Vegeta (Post-1st RoSaT)

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if ur reading this it's too late

Super Vegetto
Sep 8 2012, 03:15 PM
GridZero
Sep 8 2012, 03:12 PM
Pui Pui did survive a beating from Base Vegeta who can also oneshot Freeza.

That's a feat for me.
Lol, did you even heard of suppressing your true power ?
I heard Cell and a few saiyans are professional doing it.

But eh, even suppressed Vegeta >> Frieza.
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Look, statements show that he's above Frieza. Kaioshin says he can one-shot Frieza, and he's worried about Pui Pui. Yes, he was about to intervene, but the fact that he's worried at all proves Pui Pui > Frieza.
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Sep 8 2012, 03:15 PM
GridZero
Sep 8 2012, 03:12 PM
Pui Pui did survive a beating from Base Vegeta who can also oneshot Freeza.

That's a feat for me.
Lol, did you even heard of suppressing your true power ?
Base Vegeta suppressed himself to below Freeza to fight Pui Pui?

That's one hell of an assumption you can't back up.

He already knew Kaioshin > Freeza, so going below that level to fight opponents who were stronger than Freeza is absurd.
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http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8515914&t=8371634
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It'd laid out so damn clearly that it kind of baffles me how people can continue to deny it for the sake of keeping the Base Saiyans "at a reasonable level" (aka below Freeza). Hell, I'll even explain it one more time.

1. Kaioshin states at the tournament, after meeting Goku, that he wants a match with him but does not believe he has any chance of winning. It's also worth a note that it's implied he isn't entirely sure how powerful Goku is, just that he's stronger than him.

Chapter: 437 (DBZ 243), P11.2-3
Context: talking to Goku
Kaioshin: “I’ve managed to pass the preliminaries too. It’d be nice if the match-ups allow me to have a match against you. Of course, I don’t have confidence that I could win, but I want to know just how strong you are.”

Goku > Kaioshin

2. Vegeta says he'll be victorious over Goku, while Kaioshin is there to hear it (or read his mind, since Vegeta thought it to himself at least in the Viz version). To Kaioshin, this means Vegeta is stronger than Goku, whom he already admitted inferiority over.

Chapter: 438 (DBZ 244), P10.3
Context: after Goku and Vegeta are scheduled to fight in the tournament's first round
Vegeta: “I’ve done it! I’m going up against Kakarot…! I’ve waited…How I’ve been waiting for this time! For the day I am victorious over Kakarot…!”

Vegeta > Goku > Kaioshin

3. On the way to the ship, Kaioshin says he can one-shot Freeza. Simple enough.

Chapter: 445 (DBZ 251), P14.1-5
Context: after hearing that Boo destroyed hundreds of planets
Vegeta (thinking to himself): “Hmph…Even we Saiyans could do a thing like that…”
Kaioshin: “No, Vegeta. At the time, there were 5 Kaioshins. Any one of them was good enough to defeat someone of Freeza’s level in a single blow…Out of those Kaioshins, 4 were killed by Majin Boo.”
Goku: “Hieeh! A-amazin’…”

Vegeta > Goku > Kaioshin > Freeza

4. Inside the ship, Babidi wonders if Puipui has finished them all off (except Kaioshin) already, which is significant because all he and Dabura had done so far was feed the energy into Boo's shell, implying Babidi thought the fight would be really quick. That's the first statement we get that Puipui is stronger than Kaioshin.

Chapter: 449 (DBZ 255), P3.1
Context: talking about taking energy from Goku and co.
Babidi: “Hehhehheh…That’s why I summoned them here. I wonder if Pui-Pui’s finished all 3 off by now? ”

Puipui > Vegeta > Goku > Kaioshin > Freeza

5. When Puipui arrives, he says he was told to be careful of the Saiyans, but that he could still win. This implies a decent gap but not a stomp-worthy gap. That's 2 statements for Kaioshin being weaker than Puipui.

Chapter: 449 (DBZ 255), P4.6
Context: talking about facing Vegeta alone.
Pui-Pui: “Fuhihihihi…Lord Babidi told me to be careful since these guys have strong energy, but it looks like they’re just a bunch of morons…”
Note: Pui-Pui was told to be careful about the Saiyans, implying, that what Dabra and Babidi felt from them would be enough to make it a difficult fight for Pui-Pui, if he wasn't careful.

Puipui > Vegeta > Goku > Kaioshin > Freeza

6. Next, we have our 3rd statement from the horse's ass himself. He considers Puipui strong, yet Freeza garbage. Now, admittedly, this isn't flatout saying Puipui is stronger than himself, but it helps nonetheless in solidifying Puipui's place as stronger than Freeza, at least.

Chapter: 449 (DBZ 255), P5.2
Kaioshin: “You mustn’t underestimate your opponent! Babidi gathers only strong warriors from everywhere and makes them his allies!”

Puipui > Vegeta > Goku > Kaioshin > Freeza

7. Vegeta effortlessly destroys Puipui. Kaioshin is amazed and exclaims that he didn't know the Saiyans were that powerful. Clearly, Vegeta blew his expectations out of the water.

Chapter: 449 (DBZ 255), P13.3
Context: after Vegeta kills Pui-Pui
Kaioshin: “Th-that can’t be…Th-they’re this [strong]…”

Vegeta > Puipui > Vegeta (expected) > Goku (expected) > Kaioshin > Freeza

8. The fighter for Stage 2 is skipped in favor of Yakon. This implies that the fighter for Stage 2 wasn't that much stronger than Puipui, while Yakon makes them both look like child's play. Dabura also says that Yakon will be enough to beat all of them "instantly," after just witnessing the decimation of Puipui at the hands of Vegeta, which gives us a good place for him already.

Chapter: 450 (DBZ 256), P1.4-6
Context: after Babidi says to send Yakon to Stage 2
Dabra: “Yakon!? You’re already going to use Yakon on Stage 2!?”
Babidi: “…We probably shouldn’t underestimate those Earthlings…They did Pui-Pui in before he could inflict any damage at all…”
Dabra: “…I see. But with Yakon as their opponent, they’ll all be defeated instantly. I won’t get to have any fun.”

Yakon > Base Vegeta > Stage 2 Fighter > Puipui > Vegeta (expected) > Goku (expected) > Kaioshin > Freeza

9. The fight between Yakon and Base Goku ensues, and Yakon's extending claws prove to be enough for Kaioshin to urgently suggest that they all gang up on him. This is before he remembers that Yakon can eat energy, so he was talking purely from a strength standpoint. Even if you use the excuse that he didn't want energy being transferred to Boo, he'd have to have some reason for believing there was a chance that that could happen; hence, Base Goku is in trouble against Yakon even without the energy eating, according to Kaioshin.

Chapter: 450 (DBZ 256), P7.2-5
Context: after Yakon slashes Goku
Gohan: “Oh! He’s huge, but quick!”
Kaioshin: “Let’s fight together!”
Gohan: “Nah, I think father will be perfectly fine on his own.”
Kaioshin: “…”

Yakon > Base Goku > Base Vegeta > Stage 2 Fighter > Puipui > Vegeta (expected) > Goku (expected) > Kaioshin > Freeza

10. After Yakon eats Goku's Super Saiyan energy, Gohan is the one saying they should double up on him. Even Vegeta displays some hesitance that Goku can do it.

Chapter: 451 (DBZ 257), P6.5
Context: after Yakon eats Goku’s Super Saiyan light
Gohan: “Father, I’ll fight too! If there’s two of us, then we’ll be able to win without becoming Super Saiyans!”

Vizbig Vol.8, pg.82
Context: after Goku transforms for the second time
Kaioshin: "No, he is being stupid!! Why do you all insist on fighting alone?!"
Vegeta: "No. He is not stupid. He must have a plan."

Yakon > Base Goku > Base Vegeta > Stage 2 Fighter > Puipui > Vegeta (expected) > Goku (expected) > Kaioshin > Freeza

11. Goku goes Super Saiyan 2 for a brief burst and explodes Yakon, shocking Kaioshin even further. They get to Stage 3 and Dabura comes out, complimenting them that he thought it was "miraculous" that they got past Yakon. That's 4 statements supporting Kaioshin being weaker than the Base Saiyans.

Chapter: 452 (DBZ 258), P2.4
Dabra: “...It’s quite impressive that you humans managed to defeat Yakon and come as far as Stage 3. I could even call it miraculous…”

SSjin 2 Goku (burst) > Yakon > Base Goku > Base Vegeta > Stage 2 Fighter > Puipui > Vegeta (expected) > Goku (expected) > Kaioshin > Freeza

If you weren't so hellbent on following one entry from the Daizenshuu, you probably wouldn't have a problem with this. You have multiple statements from Babidi and Dabura that Puipui and Yakon are stronger than Kaioshin, and you have the Base Saiyans being stronger than that. Even if you ignore all of this, or pull another excuse out of your ass, you still have Base Goku being stronger than what Kaioshin expected from him, which was already stronger than Kaioshin, and Yakon was implied to be a little stronger than Base Goku.
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GridZero
Sep 8 2012, 03:20 PM
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Sep 8 2012, 03:15 PM
GridZero
Sep 8 2012, 03:12 PM
Pui Pui did survive a beating from Base Vegeta who can also oneshot Freeza.

That's a feat for me.
Lol, did you even heard of suppressing your true power ?
Base Vegeta suppressed himself to below Freeza to fight Pui Pui?

That's one hell of an assumption you can't back up.

He already knew Kaioshin > Freeza, so going below that level to fight opponents who were stronger than Freeza is absurd.
Nothing says that Vegeta suppressed is putting much effort on guy that he doesnt even know.

Btw Kaioshin statments say that Saiyans shouldnt underestiamte Babidis slaves and his magic, nothing else + he whants to fight Pui Pui after he saw Vegeta going all alone.

So yea, Vegeta never magicly incirsed his suppressed power since they entered the ship. Only when he planed to atk Pui Pui.
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This is why I gave up the first time around.
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And this is why I give up now.
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lolwut.

I shall take my leave now 'til someone else posts in relation to the actual topic.....
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I consider Pui-Pui between 1st-form and 2nd-form Freeza, to give him some due credit as "one of the strongest fighters in the universe." After him, the powers rapidly escalate with Yakon and Dabra, with the former being a match for the base Saiyans and the latter being a match for the Super Saiyans. But Pui-Pui is just the useless cannon fodder that precedes them.

So, uh... he doesn't beat anyone here, or even come close. He could do a Majin Vegeta-esque life-sacrificing gigantic explosion and it would feel like a gentle breeze to anyone on this list.
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1) Pocus is Badibi's 5th strongest warrior.

2) Stage 2 and 3 cannot handle Pocus easily

3) Badibi thinks Pocus can handle the 3 Saiyans easily while Kaioshin is there.
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p123
Sep 8 2012, 06:30 PM
1) Pocus is Badibi's 5th strongest warrior.

2) Stage 2 and 3 cannot handle Pocus easily

3) Badibi thinks Pocus can handle the 3 Saiyans easily while Kaioshin is there.
There was only Stage 2. Stage 3 was Yakon.
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I thought it was


Stage 1 Pocus
Stage 2 ???
Stage 3 ???
Stage 4 Yakon

And Dabura would fight after that? Post a picture of the breakdown of Badibi;s ship
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Edited by Kyouks, Sep 8 2012, 07:20 PM.
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Yea I think the top is Dabura and the four below are four Badibis warriors
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p123
Sep 8 2012, 08:35 PM
Yea I think the top is Dabura and the four below are four Badibis warriors
You got it backwards. Dabura's on the bottom. :P
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Well, Yakon wasn't scheduled for Stage 2, so we know there's a mystery fighter there. Dabura says he will go to Stage 3 "himself," whatever that means.
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It looks like there are 4 stages + the bottom where Babidi and Dabura are. I think Dabura also said that if they ever get to the bottom, he'd handle them.

So, the 2 possibilities are:

1 - Pocus
2 - ???
3 - Yakon
4 - ???
Bottom - Dabura

1 - Pocus
2 - ???
3 - ???
4 - Yakon
Bottom - Dabura

I'm leaning towards Yakon = Stage 4 since he's implied to be leaps and bounds and bounds and leaps ahead of Pocus.

Yakon >>> Vegeta (@ Pocus) >>> Pocus.
Edited by Kyouks, Sep 8 2012, 08:50 PM.
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I think Yakon was the guy before Dabura, too.
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I don't think Dabura was ever supposed to fight. I think it was

Stage 1 Pocus
Stage 2 ???
Stage 3 ???
Stage 4 Yakon

If by some miracle they made it past that , Dabura would clean them up.

I haven't read the section in a while but I've been pretty sold on that Pov for quite some time . I don't think I'd make that huge of a mistake but it could happen. I'll have to read over it again.
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I think that's correct. Stages 2 and 3 are so close in power to Pui-Pui that they're not even bothered with after the 10G dude is obliterated by Exodia. So they could really just be one stage anyway...
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