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| Astros GM | Mar 30 2009, 03:18 PM Post #76 |
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option 3 is the only fair way to do it! start them from scratch 0 years 0 money and give us the hit or not idc bout the hit i just feel it should be started over completely (which would make me think neither should get hits but if we do its fine) |
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| RockiesGM | Mar 30 2009, 03:25 PM Post #77 |
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I say re-open it |
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| BrewersGM | Mar 30 2009, 03:37 PM Post #78 |
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i'm going over the times of each bid, and then checking over each GM's salary situation to make the final verdict. i will be done shortly. in the meantime.. for the record, the only possible options are: 1) bidding is re-opened with a new 24 hour clock awarded to whoever was the latest LEGAL high bid. 2) the players are awarded to each team IF they bid legally and held the legal bid for at least 24 hours. there is no cap-hit rule for Free Agency in our Constitution, so that will not be happening. that may be implemented in the future as an Amendment, but it can't be used in this situation. |
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| Astros GM | Mar 30 2009, 03:49 PM Post #79 |
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Thank you Commish! Im glad we got a final verdict and i hope we are able to just start over and re bid! but whatever happens i know you will do whats right thanks! |
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| Makers3245 | Mar 30 2009, 04:01 PM Post #80 |
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Okay guys, I am doing this non-bias here. So bare with me. In the Constitution it states this... You may not exceed the salary cap with any pending bid. A bid that would put you over the salary cap will be thrown away as ineligible. My bid on Carlos Delgado is illegal. I'll say it straight out. I'll man up. Well I am going to explain to you, and the times are going to me my time (PCT) - As of 4:31, I was the top bidder on neither of them - At 4:35 I placed a bid on Pat Burrell, which was legal and kept me withing cap space. - Then at 6:00 I placed a bid on Delgado which would be inelgible because I was still the top bidder for Pat. - Making marinersGM the top bidder for Deldago, No other bids were made for 24 hrs after that - so he wins Delgado.. - As far as Pat Burrel, AstrosGM made an illegal bid @ 7:55, which doesn't count, and therefore my bid from 4:35 was still the top go getter. That is just the way I see it and the way I compare it to the rules. I am trying to not he bias toward myself, but rules are rules. No where in the rules is there a re-open bidding. This too is in the constitution If a bid remains as the top bid for 24 hours, the player will go to the top-bidding team. My bid was invalid for Delgado at 06:00 PM, meaning MarinersGM bid @ 04:31 PM had to with stand 24, it did. It's done. AstrosGM bid @ 07:55 PM was invalid. Meaning my bid @ 04:35 PM for him had to last 24 hours, it did. It's done. |
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| Astros GM | Mar 30 2009, 04:05 PM Post #81 |
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well we get the cap hits taken off and now we are going to re bid on everything or thats what im getting so im good with whatever our commish decides |
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| BrewersGM | Mar 30 2009, 04:50 PM Post #82 |
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First off, both sides had perfectly valid points. Now onto it: Current Ruling Per the Constitution: You may not exceed the salary cap with ANY pending bid. A bid that would put you over the salary cap will be thrown away as ineligible. If we are going by the Constitution we all (for the most part) worked on crafting, then the teams that were put over the Cap by the players they bid on would all lose out on said players. No questions asked. If that has happened (as it has), then the players involved would have their bidding threads Re-Opened so GM's that stuck within the rules can still be able to win out on said players. The teams involved in this situation also have the chance to win these players legally just the same, obviously. The 24 hour clock would keep going from wherever it was halted when we started to try and hash this mess out. Then we get to the part where Mariners followed the rules and bid on Delgado correctly, and held that legal high bid for 24 hours prior to Joey halting the thread. Then I notice Makers (though he did overbid on Delgado) also had the legal high bid for 24 hours on Burrell prior to Joey halting the thread. Based on this, the only things that needed some research are: 1) Were the last 2 legal high bids live for at least 24 hours prior to them being halted? 2) Were both GM's for sure under the cap with said bids? 3) Does it all go with the Constitution? Answer: Yes. I just cannot go avoiding the rules we all abide by for special situations. Once that happens, all integrity of this league goes out the door, along with probably a good portion of the very good GM's that we are lucky to have. Bidding WOULD HAVE been re-opened with a new 24 hour clock had Joey halted the threads even a single MINUTE under the 24th hour. But since it was well after 24 hours for both, they are both legally won by Seattle and Oakland, as they were the latest legal high bids for each player. Some may also bring up the fact Makers also bid on Delgado, and feel that him doing that when he didn't have the money should effect his high bid on Burrell. No one has brought it up yet, but it was one of the first things I myself deliberated on. Since an illegal bid is essentially worthless and ignored, it is a moot point and does not effect other bids. Had he won out on Delgado BEFORE he won Burrell, but still had the high bid on Burrell for 24 hours, then he would have lost Burrell since it would have put him over the Cap. Ruling: Oakland is awarded OF/UTIL Pat Burrell to a contract of $13,500,000 (2012-NTC) Seattle is awarded 1B/UTIL Carlos Delgado to a contract of $17,000,000 (2010) No GM will be penalized with a Cap Hit for going over their team's Cap by their illegal bids. It's not in the Constitution, so it's not happening. That IS however, something that may come to fruition in the future, as it isn't too bad of an idea, and it would keep GM's more on their toes about handling their Salaries. I know everyone won't like this verdict, but the Constitution is the decider in this. Any other ruling would have somehow conflicted with the rules. Also remember, anyone at any time can post in the Constitution Revision Request thread. No idea is a bad idea, and every idea posted will be put to a vote. |
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| Astros GM | Mar 30 2009, 04:58 PM Post #83 |
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Thanks! |
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| MarinersGM | Mar 30 2009, 07:46 PM Post #84 |
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wow re-opening both is GARBAGE if you do that this league is a JOKE your alolowing other people who werent even in on the bid to get in on it now that they lost other players. CRAP. number 2 or 1 is the only way to go delgado should not be opened up are you fucking kidding me. the rules state that he goes to the next high bid and thats me period. what is being debated here is should makers get a cap hit. THATS THE ONLY THING IN QUESTION not who the players should go to.. thats my feeling now i know brewers took care of it and it was the right solution great job brew crew. im just getting my voice in on in because padres and supporters of re opening the bid i question your motives. |
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| JoeyTTU01 | Mar 30 2009, 07:51 PM Post #85 |
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Did you not read the ruling? No Cap Hits You have Delgado, Makers has Burrell. All your doing by posting what you did is rehashing stuff that is closed. |
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| MarinersGM | Mar 30 2009, 07:52 PM Post #86 |
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no i was editing my hit button without thinking my dad was yelling lol |
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| JoeyTTU01 | Mar 30 2009, 07:53 PM Post #87 |
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The ruling was made 3 hours ago. Maybe in the future you should read everything before you make a post that goes completely against how things were ruled, just some friendly advice because you look pretty stupid right now for the post you just made. |
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| MarinersGM | Mar 30 2009, 07:56 PM Post #88 |
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actually it went completely with how they were ruled and i hit the button to post before i wrote the bottom part . it was on accident my bad whatever my main point is to say that some people need to get the bias out of there rulings and also mabey the ruling shouldnt be made untill everybody involved has had a say hmmmmm what about that |
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| JoeyTTU01 | Mar 30 2009, 08:00 PM Post #89 |
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There was NO REASON to make that post other than to try and start an argument with those who were posting against what your friend Matt(makers) was wanting. How about as Commishes we can make executive decisions and do not have to have the input of anyone else. |
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| MarinersGM | Mar 30 2009, 08:02 PM Post #90 |
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sounds like a dictatorship if you dont have to hear all parties involved whatever though no need for you and i to get our panties in a bunch |
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