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Issue (Martin Perez)
Topic Started: Feb 1 2010, 07:30 PM (352 Views)
JoeyTTU01
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Regarding Martin Perez (P - Tex)

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Is he yours? I know he wasn't drafted


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Was not taken by another team in the FYPD and has only been with the Rangers Organization so yes, he would be mine.


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He wasn't drafted by the rangers, he was signed so that has nothing to do with this league. He should be availabe as either a free agent or in the contraction draft.


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How do you think that? He has been in my system since 2008.

I assume this is a tactic for you to try and get him but he is my property just like anyone who is signed by the Phillies is your property under the rules as a foreign signnee.


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When dice-k came into the league he was a free-agent. I've never heard of anyone keeping foreign signee's.

The only players were alllowed to keep are the players DRAFTED by our respective teams that are not taken in the FYPD draft. Singings are completly different. He should be available in the contraction draft/or a free agent.


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Dice-K was not a 17 yo when he came over and JAPAN players are different than Venezuela.

Well you would be completely wrong about your interpretation of foreign players. He is my property and there is NO reason I should have to give up a kid who was 17 when he was signed and has only been in the Rangers Organization.
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If a player signs with a team, regardless of how, he is that teams property if its a MiL, the only exception is "ML" deals in regards to FOREIGN PLAYERS who are not eligible for the FYPD. The only players for the FYPD are COLLEGE and HIGH SCHOOL KIDS and the only ones for the CONTRACTION DRAFT are from the teams no longer in the league, Texas Rangers do not qualify.

Martin Perez should be my property. There is no way that 2 yrs after the fact he should be put in some draft or made 18 yr FA because some GM suddenly wants him to be part of their team.

He has pitched for the Rangers since 2008.
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So tell me if i have this right.

If a player is from japan and he signs with the astros he is my property? or what exactly happens i just wanna be clear about this.
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Our constitution doesn't have any rules in it regarding foreign signings. I say we put these foreign players into the draftpool of either the contraction draft or FYPD draft, if thats not what the rule is now. I've notice some teams in this league just put players on their team because their respective team signed a foreign player in real life (Example Rangers with Martin Perez- a top 25 prospect).

By doing this, were putting a bias on the teams that dont have a big market like the Yankees, or Redsox, etc. In a league like this, there's no reason some teams should just get players its rediculous, especailly with the talent thats coming out foreign countries.





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Feb 1 2010, 07:48 PM
So tell me if i have this right.

If a player is from japan and he signs with the astros he is my property? or what exactly happens i just wanna be clear about this.

Guys from Japan have always been made Free Agents.
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Like i said before...what happens in real life should have NO effect on what happens in this league.

This is a completly different League, a fantasy league. Its biased to teams with smaller markets. I dont think its fair that bigger market teams will get the better players in this league especially with all the amazing talent pouring out of foreign countries.
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Feb 1 2010, 07:56 PM
Like i said before...what happens in real life should have NO effect on what happens in this league.

This is a completly different League, a fantasy league. Its biased to teams with smaller markets. I dont think its fair that bigger market teams will get the better players in this league especially with all the amazing talent pouring out of foreign countries.

What he is really saying is that his Phillies suck in the foreign market and he wants a way to make that not such, which is bull.

As I am sure Spin will point out when he post, EVERY team gets talent from foreign counties.
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And again, I have had Perez since 2008, its unfair to my team to try and take him away from my team TWO YRS later.
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JoeyTTU01
Feb 1 2010, 09:39 PM
If a player signs with a team, regardless of how, he is that teams property if its a MiL, the only exception is "ML" deals in regards to FOREIGN PLAYERS who are not eligible for the FYPD. The only players for the FYPD are COLLEGE and HIGH SCHOOL KIDS and the only ones for the CONTRACTION DRAFT are from the teams no longer in the league, Texas Rangers do not qualify.

Martin Perez should be my property. There is no way that 2 yrs after the fact he should be put in some draft or made 18 yr FA because some GM suddenly wants him to be part of their team.

He has pitched for the Rangers since 2008.

Where is this rule in the constitution? I've never heard of this, because it does not exist. If he doesn't qualify in either of those drafts, then there has to be an international draft for this league.

Why should you get Martin Perez when every other team in this league had zero shot of getting him.
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Feb 1 2010, 08:00 PM
JoeyTTU01
Feb 1 2010, 09:39 PM
If a player signs with a team, regardless of how, he is that teams property if its a MiL, the only exception is "ML" deals in regards to FOREIGN PLAYERS who are not eligible for the FYPD. The only players for the FYPD are COLLEGE and HIGH SCHOOL KIDS and the only ones for the CONTRACTION DRAFT are from the teams no longer in the league, Texas Rangers do not qualify.

Martin Perez should be my property. There is no way that 2 yrs after the fact he should be put in some draft or made 18 yr FA because some GM suddenly wants him to be part of their team.

He has pitched for the Rangers since 2008.

Where is this rule in the constitution? I've never heard of this, because it does not exist. If he doesn't qualify in either of those drafts, then there has to be an international draft for this league.

Why should you get Martin Perez when every other team in this league had zero shot of getting him.

We cant get the drafts done we haver now you want to add in another, really? That is a brilliant idea.

I have zero shot of anyone your Phillies sign too, its an even playing field.
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Feb 1 2010, 10:02 PM
I have zero shot of anyone your Phillies sign too, its an even playing field.

And thats exactly where the bias comes in, you cant argue that. Bigger markets, get better players. And especially in the coming years, this is gonna play such a bigger part with all the foreign talent.

And you keep bringing up that im only making this point to benefit my own team which is nonsense. I've allways been fair in this league, and its in the best interest of the league that something be done. Maybe you should stop looking at your own team's well being and start acting for the face of the league.
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So if a cuban player signs with my team he is mine? yes or no is all i need thanks lol
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Feb 1 2010, 08:07 PM
JoeyTTU01
Feb 1 2010, 10:02 PM
I have zero shot of anyone your Phillies sign too, its an even playing field.

And thats exactly where the bias comes in, you cant argue that. Bigger markets, get better players. And especially in the coming years, this is gonna play such a bigger part with all the foreign talent.

And you keep bringing up that im only making this point to benefit my own team which is nonsense. I've allways been fair in this league, and its in the best interest of the league that something be done. Maybe you should stop looking at your own team's well being and start acting for the face of the league.

HAHA, if it was not for me this league would not even have a 2010 so you can climb off your high horse anytime pal.
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99.9% of the leagues I am if a player does not sign a MAJOR LEAGUE CONTRACT they are property of the team that signed them, period, regardless of country they are from.
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so aroldis chapman is property of the reds roster correct?
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