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Topic Started: Feb 1 2010, 07:30 PM (353 Views)
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If a player signs with a team, regardless of how, he is that teams property if its a MiL, the only exception is "ML" deals in regards to FOREIGN PLAYERS who are not eligible for the FYPD. The only players for the FYPD are COLLEGE and HIGH SCHOOL KIDS and the only ones for the CONTRACTION DRAFT are from the teams no longer in the league.


I think we would have to look into the type of contract they signed, ML vs MiL.
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Sounds like chapman is a FA
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it sounds like people dont know what the rule is because one was never made, like i said.
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Feb 8 2010, 09:31 PM
it sounds like people dont know what the rule is because one was never made, like i said.

If it makes you happy I will add in the part where Steve said I was right to the rules.

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If a player signs with a team, regardless of how, he is that teams property if its a MiL, the only exception is "ML" deals in regards to FOREIGN PLAYERS who are not eligible for the FYPD. The only players for the FYPD are COLLEGE and HIGH SCHOOL KIDS and the only ones for the CONTRACTION DRAFT are from the teams no longer in the league.


Its up to the TAB to determine who qualifies as a ML Deal and MiL Deal.
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JoeyTTU01
Feb 9 2010, 04:24 PM
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Feb 8 2010, 09:31 PM
it sounds like people dont know what the rule is because one was never made, like i said.

If it makes you happy I will add in the part where Steve said I was right to the rules.

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If a player signs with a team, regardless of how, he is that teams property if its a MiL, the only exception is "ML" deals in regards to FOREIGN PLAYERS who are not eligible for the FYPD. The only players for the FYPD are COLLEGE and HIGH SCHOOL KIDS and the only ones for the CONTRACTION DRAFT are from the teams no longer in the league.


Its up to the TAB to determine who qualifies as a ML Deal and MiL Deal.

Dude you spewed out some bullshit, and yea steve agreed with you probobly mostly because your a MOD, and to get over the whole topic.

But clearly this topic has to be looked at further, because no MOD has any idea on how to handle this topic. And instead of thinking it out and letting others have there say, your gonna rush it and hurt the league in the long run.

I cant wait til next draft, its gonna be fun to hear all the, "wait he's a FA", "wait no he's from korea", "wait if he's cuban and under 21 and signed to a MIL contract he's my property", etc.
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Feb 9 2010, 02:36 PM
JoeyTTU01
Feb 9 2010, 04:24 PM
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Feb 8 2010, 09:31 PM
it sounds like people dont know what the rule is because one was never made, like i said.

If it makes you happy I will add in the part where Steve said I was right to the rules.

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If a player signs with a team, regardless of how, he is that teams property if its a MiL, the only exception is "ML" deals in regards to FOREIGN PLAYERS who are not eligible for the FYPD. The only players for the FYPD are COLLEGE and HIGH SCHOOL KIDS and the only ones for the CONTRACTION DRAFT are from the teams no longer in the league.


Its up to the TAB to determine who qualifies as a ML Deal and MiL Deal.

Dude you spewed out some bullshit, and yea steve agreed with you probobly mostly because your a MOD, and to get over the whole topic.

But clearly this topic has to be looked at further, because no MOD has any idea on how to handle this topic. And instead of thinking it out and letting others have there say, your gonna rush it and hurt the league in the long run.

I cant wait til next draft, its gonna be fun to hear all the, "wait he's a FA", "wait no he's from korea", "wait if he's cuban and under 21 and signed to a MIL contract he's my property", etc.


Yeah, because we have not already had 3 FYPD that worked out just fine.

Want to know why, because FREE AGENCY is before the FYPD.

Talk about trying to get you own agenda done, look in the mirror.
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Feb 2 2010, 06:57 PM
Here are my "no-bias" thoughts.

The FYPD should be only for High School and College kids who sign with their team on signing day. Foreign players should NOT be put into the FYPD.

The Contraction Draft is and should remain for only the teams no longer in the league, which would include any MLers or MiLers (including foreign players) not yet drafted or not passed the free agent mark.

In regards to foreign players, the only ones who I think should be made Free Agents are the Japanese who for the most part come over more polished and later in their careers than other foreign born players. Any foreign player not from Japan should be part of the team that signed them. An example of this would be the Oakland A's with Michael Ynoa , he should be property of the Oakland A's.

I do not think we need a 3rd draft for this guys. A lot of teams have stepped up their scouting of foreign talent which is obvious when you see teams like Oakland and Minnesota spending on that kind of talent.

Did you even bother to read this Phillies?

The only change I would make is in regards to foreign players who are pretty much guaranteed of making its to the majors from the start rather than beginning the year in the minors, which is generally those that come over more polished from Japan and Cuba. Which would be up to the TAB to determine.
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so chapman is mine no question according to this rule.
he signed a MiL contract so he is mine
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Feb 9 2010, 07:57 PM
so chapman is mine no question according to this rule.
he signed a MiL contract so he is mine

You would be incorrect.

It is up to the TAB to make that determination as I stated previously. We would review the players and then decide as a group between the 7 of us.
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Feb 9 2010, 05:07 PM
JoeyTTU01
Feb 2 2010, 06:57 PM

In regards to foreign players, the only ones who I think should be made Free Agents are the Japanese who for the most part come over more polished and later in their careers than other foreign born players. Any foreign player not from Japan should be part of the team that signed them. An example of this would be the Oakland A's with Michael Ynoa , he should be property of the Oakland A's.

I do not think we need a 3rd draft for this guys. A lot of teams have stepped up their scouting of foreign talent which is obvious when you see teams like Oakland and Minnesota spending on that kind of talent.

Did you even bother to read this Phillies?

The only change I would make is in regards to foreign players who are pretty much guaranteed of making its to the majors from the start rather than beginning the year in the minors, which is generally those that come over more polished from Japan and Cuba. Which would be up to the TAB to determine.

So according to you (part of our great TAB that will be deciding on this topic)...Micheal Ynoa should be property of the A's because he's not from japan, though he signed a $4.25 million dollar contract.

You can't say just because someone is from a specific contry like japan or cuba he should be a FA and others that are from somewhere else should go to the MLB team.

Again i say the best way to handle this topic is to have all the foreign players that were signed this year and have a draft. Plus if it takes anytime like how the TAB votes on trades it will take just as long as having a draft.
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Well this is just my opinion.

I believe ALL FOREIGN PLAYERS should go straight to Free Agency because we can not help what players our owners go after in real life so why not let it be up to us? And this way we do not have to search who signed with our team we will just put all foreign players is the Free Agent Class and let them be bidded on reguardless of the contract they signed in real lifel.
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If Joey is being curt with you Phillies...it's because we've been eating, drinking and shitting this topic over and over again for months in our other Leagues.

Joey and I have had to address this very issue in a couple of our other Leagues.
For a few seasons we had rthe following rule in place:
-Latin Teenagers go directly to the ML team that signed them in real life.
Most of these kids are teenagers who are heading to the minor leagues
-Cuban and Japanese PROFESSIONALS were made UFA's on a case by case basis(Matsui's, Ichiro, Dice-K's)
-FYPD is strictly for HS and college kids who were drafted in the real FYPD


After much heated debate and compromise we arrived at the following rules for this season:

-All International foreign signees are eligible to be drafted in our FYPD EXCEPT THOSE IFA'S WHO MAKE A MLB OPENING DAY ROSTER.
-Those IFA's(mostly Japanese at this point in time) become UFA's in our League.
Eligible to be signed at midnight following Opening Day.
-Those IFA's NOT SELECTED in our FYPD will be immediately returned to the team who's real life counterpart signed them.

-Players signed bewtween 7/2/10 and 7/1/11 would be eligible for the 8/11 draft...and so on into the future.



So if Joey seems to be dismissing this discussion....he really isn't.
We're just burnt out on it because we've been discussing it in depth for what seems like years now.

But let's put our heads together and hammer it out for this League.



As far as Chapman is concerned....Either we make him eligible for the FYPD.....or he's reds property.
That's just my opinion.

Being that this rule has never been spelled out clearly in the rules(I believe)....my opinion is for this year to allow all teams to keep the IFA's signed by their real life counterparts.

Starting next IFA siigning period(7/2/10)...we can implement whatever rule changes we decide.

Cool?


Reds must wanna suck me off right now.
It'll cost you dinner though.
And not Wendys.
Okay maybe Wendys.

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I have started a discussion in the Mod Forum.
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Feb 10 2010, 06:28 PM
If Joey is being curt with you Phillies...it's because we've been eating, drinking and shitting this topic over and over again for months in our other Leagues.

Joey and I have had to address this very issue in a couple of our other Leagues.
For a few seasons we had rthe following rule in place:
-Latin Teenagers go directly to the ML team that signed them in real life.
Most of these kids are teenagers who are heading to the minor leagues
-Cuban and Japanese PROFESSIONALS were made UFA's on a case by case basis(Matsui's, Ichiro, Dice-K's)
-FYPD is strictly for HS and college kids who were drafted in the real FYPD


After much heated debate and compromise we arrived at the following rules for this season:

-All International foreign signees are eligible to be drafted in our FYPD EXCEPT THOSE IFA'S WHO MAKE A MLB OPENING DAY ROSTER.
-Those IFA's(mostly Japanese at this point in time) become UFA's in our League.
Eligible to be signed at midnight following Opening Day.
-Those IFA's NOT SELECTED in our FYPD will be immediately returned to the team who's real life counterpart signed them.

-Players signed bewtween 7/2/10 and 7/1/11 would be eligible for the 8/11 draft...and so on into the future.



So if Joey seems to be dismissing this discussion....he really isn't.
We're just burnt out on it because we've been discussing it in depth for what seems like years now.

But let's put our heads together and hammer it out for this League.



As far as Chapman is concerned....Either we make him eligible for the FYPD.....or he's reds property.
That's just my opinion.

Being that this rule has never been spelled out clearly in the rules(I believe)....my opinion is for this year to allow all teams to keep the IFA's signed by their real life counterparts.

Starting next IFA siigning period(7/2/10)...we can implement whatever rule changes we decide.

Cool?


Reds must wanna suck me off right now.
It'll cost you dinner though.
And not Wendys.
Okay maybe Wendys.

lol..maybe just a little bit, but im a little more of a gentleman than to take someone out to wendy's....maybe arby's lol
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