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| Achaian-Median Relations; Achaian Peleponnese Makes a Friend. | |||
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| Medai | Apr 3 2014, 11:58 PM Post #1 | ||
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| Mastropa | Apr 18 2014, 02:53 PM Post #16 |
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Kifisia tried to hide her surprise. ‘Either the Median government is more like our own than we thought, or the Median government is very good at guessing our own goals and is willing to lend its support,’ she thought. ‘This will almost be perfect for us.’ “That is very interesting, President Freeland,” the basileus said. “Our own government has been toying with such an idea since it first learned of the dangerous political tensions in Victorium. To hear that Medai also hopes for a large-scale alliance is convenient, and extremely welcome; it will, I hope, put you in a better mood for my own proposal.” Kifisia drew a folded paper from her jacket pocket, followed by a pen. “The government of Achaian Peloponnese hopes to develop, or at least to join, just the kind of alliance you describe, with an emphasis on diplomacy so as to persuade the governments directly involved with these… ideological problems, I suppose we can call them… to simply ignore us when they have their eventual war. Nonetheless, the anax expects such a league, to use his term, to have the military strength to back up its claim to neutrality. Any agreement of this sort will have to include strong military ties between the nations involved, and probably some specific guidelines regarding the level of cooperation necessary for the league’s ventures. And of course, the nations of this league would have to agree on a single goal for all of them, which will be difficult if we hope to include nations of very different political and economic situations. The nature of the league itself will depend on how aggressive or passive its members desire to be, and that will likely depend on their individual environments. Such an alliance cannot last long if its member nations are likely to act unilaterally for their individual benefit.” She frowned for a moment. “So far, the challenge for Achaian Peloponnese has been simply to find other nations willing to talk with our government. It is unlikely that other nations will take our proposals seriously, being as new to international diplomacy as we are. With that in mind, you can imagine my relief that you, too, are willing to develop an alliance along these lines. Medai is well known in international circles; your word carries far more weight than our own. Achaian Peloponnese would be very grateful indeed if Medai would be willing to join with us in making such an alliance, such a league possible.” Kifisia’s pen was poised over the paper in front of her. “Of course, there remains the important question: If Medai and Achaian Peloponnese propose a league of neutral nations unwilling to take part in the coming fighting, what nations will consider themselves ‘neutral’ enough to join us and renounce any part they might otherwise take in the war?” [OOC: I think school work might have caused me to miss the boat on this one. If the war is starting, is it too late to consider this?] |
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| New Vasconia | Apr 18 2014, 03:35 PM Post #17 |
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(OOC: We currently have a Union of Nations (UN)--however there hasn't been any meeting yet. So, I don't really know what such a League would offer that the UN couldn't, unless I misunderstood what you were saying.) |
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| Mastropa | Apr 18 2014, 04:06 PM Post #18 |
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[OOC: It is my understanding that the UN in Noverra includes plenty of nations that are likely to become involved in this war. My idea is to gather whatever nations want nothing to do with it and create a diplomatic and military bloc that will be strong enough to dissuade both sides from dragging any of these neutral nations into the war at all. This is still a military and diplomatic alliance, rather than just a "working together for world peace" international organization; perhaps it is analogous to a neutral NATO, rather than the UN, although I don't know the specifics of NATO well enough to accurately judge.] Edited by Mastropa, Apr 18 2014, 04:07 PM.
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| New Vasconia | Apr 18 2014, 11:25 PM Post #19 |
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Ah, I see what you're going for. Yeah, that actually sounds like an interesting idea. |
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| Medai | Apr 19 2014, 03:00 PM Post #20 |
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(OOC: I'm not getting involved in the war, so...) "We would be more than willing to support you in such a goal. My idea is that it would basically work like this: all members sign a treaty in which they agree to declare war on any nation that attacks a member of this alliance. If a member of this alliance attacks another country as the aggressor, other members would not be obligated to attack with them, so that one cannot be dragged into a war offensively." He paused for a moment to let that sink in, then continued. "How's that sound?" Edited by Medai, Apr 19 2014, 03:01 PM.
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| Mastropa | Apr 19 2014, 04:55 PM Post #21 |
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The basileus nodded. “I think that such a treaty would be the backbone of such a group. Anax Kerameikos is hopeful that diplomacy will be enough to keep any interested nation from being attacked in the first place, of course.” She frowned slightly. “I would like to propose, however, that our treaty expressly forbids nations from entering into the current conflict. As far as the anax is concerned, interested nations should be willing to forswear any involvement in the war in Victorium without military provocation. Allowing member nations to make war as they desire, even if they do not drag the rest of our league to war with them, essentially ties up those nations’ militaries and prevents them from supporting their fellow members if there should be any emergency. Being busy elsewhere, these nations would essentially be outside of our alliance anyway; there is no harm, I think, in making that clear in legal terms.” Kifisia shrugged her shoulders. “There is another benefit, as well. The purpose of this league, at least as we have imagined it in Achaian Peloponnese, would be to frighten any nation currently at war into leaving our member nations alone. We are purposely presenting ourselves as a threat to other nations. However, we do not want other nations to interpret this threat as provocation. If we allow nations to enter into the war at any time they desire, we are essentially telling the outside world that we will not allow them to attack us, but will not show them the same courtesy from our side. Other nations would have little reason to trust us, and would fear opportunistic attacks by our member nations while they are distracted; these outside nations would view us as a possible enemy, rather than an outside observer, and as such they might well develop plans to attack our alliance before the alliance members can attack them in turn. This, in my mind, is the last thing we want to occur.” The basileus shrugged again. “All in all, I think it would be easier to remove any nation that involves itself in the war in Victorium from our membership, since any involvement in the war by any member nation will only bring danger to the rest of us.” Kifisia shook her head. “And of course, all of this will have to be debated with every other possible member. We will need to develop a list of nations whose governments have no desire to enter the war in Victorium, and get into contact with those nations as soon as possible, or else they might be dragged in without proper support.” She nodded toward the muted television in the corner of the room, where stock images from New Vasconia were being displayed by the news networks. “I think we’ll need to work quickly in that regard.” |
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| Medai | Apr 19 2014, 09:56 PM Post #22 |
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"I see your point. I decided for it to work like that so that it wouldn't interfere with the interests of people should this survive post-war. However, I think we'll have it work that: if it does survive, we can always change the conditions of the treaty then. I think I'll telegram a bunch of people after this with the hopes of creating a summit where we'll create the treaty. How's that sound?" |
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| Mastropa | Apr 20 2014, 12:54 AM Post #23 |
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Basileus Kifisia smiled brightly. “That sounds absolutely wonderful,” she told the president. “I am sure Anax Kerameikos will lend his full support. We will certainly put forward more diplomatic effort to invite our neighbors, as well.” Kifisia’s smile dimmed somewhat. “Though we certainly hope that you are more successful in your telegram campaign than we have been so far,” she added. “Now that more nations are making themselves known, possibly in an effort to organize in the face of international chaos, we might have better luck in the near future.” |
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| Medai | Apr 20 2014, 08:31 PM Post #24 |
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"Indeed. I see the telegrams targeting the Middle-East, Wiorburg, the isles above mainland Victorium, Nopalia, Mirevea and Fuerland, and Starliza, as they are the ones that have been neutral so far. I would include Gilead, but knowing them, they'll get involved soon." |
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| Mastropa | Apr 21 2014, 01:43 AM Post #25 |
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Kifisia jotted that list of nations down and inspected it for a moment. “I think we would be wise to avoid Gilead,” she agreed. “Certainly Anax Kerameikos expressed no hope of including Gilead in a league of noninterference. Others on this list worry us somewhat for that same reason, however.” She pointed to Mirevea, Fuerland, and Wiurbourg. “These three nations border both New Vasconia and Verskana; Fuerland and Mirevea will certainly be caught in the middle if Vasconia moves against the fascists, or vice versa. It will be impossible for our alliance to serve its purpose of maintaining neutrality if it includes nations that will almost certainly be brought into the war regardless of the risks to the aggressors.” The basileus frowned as she said this. “It sounds very mercenary to say it aloud,” she admitted. “I don’t like the necessity of throwing some nations away simply for the sake of convenience. But the purpose of this league is the neutrality of its members; that will have to come before everything else. Including nations that are bound to be caught up in the war is only going to draw the rest of us into the conflict, and if that is the case, we will have had no reason to create the league at all.” Kifisia thought for another moment. “What do we know about the islands north of Victorium? Our Office of Observation and Communication has intercepted communications suggesting that at least some of them are aligning themselves in one way or another. Is not one of those nations the homeland of an international communist activist? Perhaps I have misremembered…” The basileus shook her head. “You would know better than Achaian Peloponnese on this matter, but I would like to make doubly sure of the alignments of these nations before asking them to commit to neutrality.” She narrowed her eyes. “Achaian Peloponnese would be especially interested in hearing the opinions of the Middle East in this matter, considering our own proximity to those nations. However, despite being their neighbors, we have heard absolutely nothing from them. They seem to no longer maintain a coherent government. We would like to know if they respond to Medai any more than they have responded to our own activity, as our entire regional perspective will change if they choose to acknowledge the outside world. “As for Nopalia,” Kifisia continued, “I know that Anax Kerameikos has expressed interest in sending diplomatic invitations to them for some time now. It is possible that he has done so in my absence; if that is the case, we can only wait and see if they will respond. We would not object if Medai did the same, of course, considering its greater international reputation and diplomatic weight. Hopefully between the two of us, we will obtain an ally here. The same, I think, can be said of Starliza. It is possible that they will listen to an invitation on our part, but we have yet to put that question to the test. It will likely happen soon, though, depending on the response we see from our neighbors and other nations such as Nopalia.” Kifisia closed her eyes as she thought. “There are certainly other nations who are too far away from Victorium to be directly involved in the war, and who can be persuaded to lend their diplomatic and military clout to the purpose of neutrality—there must be other nations like that. What about Vinland et Scandineighvia? Its industry is being courted by both sides, but the government itself appears to be wholly neutral, according to our analysis of the matter. As long as our league’s treaty does not prevent member nations from maintaining economic and industrial ties with warring nations—most of which would be the responsibility of the private sector, rather than the government or military, as you pointed out earlier in our own discussions—I think Vinland would consider membership in our proposed league to be a great benefit for themselves. And if their industries are as useful to foreign nations as Gilead and Austiana seem to believe, they might provide a major boon for our own plans, as well.” The basileus jotted down question marks next to the named nations of Victorium, and added ‘Vinland et Scandineighvia’ at the bottom, with another question mark beside it. “Who else? Legantus would be a prize, but they will never work with Achaian Peloponnese; as a republic, however, Medai stands a better chance of persuading them to join together with other nations for the sake of neutrality. I cannot imagine that Legantus would choose either side in a war between fascists and communists, but they might have decided that their own power will be enough to maintain a neutral stance, and thus find no reason to join a league that includes a dictatorship like our own. It is worth some quiet queries, I think, but from Medai rather than from Achaian Peloponnese. The Office of Observation and Communication has made it clear that there will be no positive response to any invitation or request for diplomatic relations sent from Anax Kerameikos’s desk. Of course,” Kifisia added uncomfortably, “for that reason alone we have avoided really paying attention to the goings-on of Legantus, or its opinion in this war. I might be completely mistaken in my assumption here, and Legantus might have already decided to enter the conflict.” Kifisia slid the list she had written toward President Freeland. It contained mostly the nations he had already named, with the sole addition of Vinland et Scandineighvia, but her own question marks next to eastern and northern Victorium made her worries clear. “Is there any other nation you believe would listen to our proposals with an open mind?” |
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| Medai | Apr 21 2014, 01:51 PM Post #26 |
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"I understand your concerns. I figured it was worth trying with them because some of them are officially neutral, and an alliance between just us, you and Nopalia won't have much leverage. And yes, Vinland is neutral, so we can talk to them. I'll try Lengantus, though I don't expect much." |
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| Mastropa | Apr 21 2014, 06:50 PM Post #27 |
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“As far as any wider alliance is concerned, then, I think that’s as much as we can determine on our own,” Basileus Kifisia said. “We will need to obtain feedback from other invitees prior to making any firm plans. I will be sure to send this list to my superiors in Kerkyra as soon as our meeting is concluded so that we can get to work on this matter as soon as possible.” As she spoke, the basileus folded up the list and put it in her jacket pocket, followed by her pen. Kifisia looked up curiously at President Freeland. “While I would like to clarify the details of the military and economic discussions we had at the beginning of our meeting, overall I think that Achaian Peloponnese’s concerns and questions have all been met. Our most pressing diplomatic concern is Victorium, after all. I have no unaddressed business to ask of you, but I will be happy to listen if there is anything you would like to ask of me or my nation. Achaian Peloponnese is willing to help its partners whenever possible.” |
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| Medai | Apr 21 2014, 08:35 PM Post #28 |
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"Nothing really at the moment. We try not to ask much of others," said the President. |
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| Mastropa | Apr 22 2014, 03:57 AM Post #29 |
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“And Achaian Peloponnese has nothing more to add,” the basileus said with a smile. “I certainly thank you for your hospitality today, President Freeland. Achaian Peloponnese is grateful for the opportunity to speak with you and your nation. I believe that this was a very productive meeting.” |
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| Medai | Apr 22 2014, 01:02 PM Post #30 |
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"Indeed it has. I think I'll start the summit for the alliance in a minute, if that's okay with you." |
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