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The Advanced Format will be used at premier events, and the World Championship.

ADVANCED FORMAT LIST EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 1st


I. Forbidden Cards

You cannot use these cards in your Deck or Side Deck:

BLACK LUSTER SOLDIER - ENVOY OF THE BEGINNING
BUTTERFLY DAGGER - ELMA
CHANGE OF HEART
CHAOS EMPEROR DRAGON - ENVOY OF THE END
CHAOS SORCERER
CYBER JAR
DARK HOLE
DELINQUENT DUO
EXCHANGE OF THE SPIRIT
FIBER JAR
HARPIE'S FEATHER DUSTER
IMPERIAL ORDER
LAST TURN
MAGICAL SCIENTIST
MAKYURA THE DESTRUCTOR
MIRAGE OF NIGHTMARE
MONSTER REBORN
PAINFUL CHOICE
POT OF GREED
RAIGEKI
SINISTER SERPENT
SNATCH STEAL
THE FORCEFUL SENTRY
THOUSAND-EYES RESTRICT
TIME SEAL
TRIBE-INFECTING VIRUS
TSUKUYOMI
WITCH OF THE BLACK FOREST
YATA-GARASU

NEW! - Chaos Sorcerer, Snatch Steal, Thousand-Eyes Restrict, Tsukuyomi


II. Limited Cards

You can ONLY use one of the following cards in the Deck & Side Deck combined:

BOOK OF MOON
BREAKER THE MAGICAL WARRIOR
CALL OF THE HAUNTED
CARD DESTRUCTION
CEASEFIRE
CONFISCATION
D. D. ASSAILANT
D. D. WARRIOR LADY
DARK MAGICIAN OF CHAOS
EXODIA THE FORBIDDEN ONE
FUTURE FUSION
GRACEFUL CHARITY
GRAVITY BIND
HEAVY STORM
INJECTION FAIRY LILY
JINZO
LAST WILL
LEFT ARM OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE
LEFT LEG OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE
LEVEL LIMIT - AREA B
LIMITER REMOVAL
MAGE POWER
MAGIC CYLINDER
MAGICIAN OF FAITH
MASK OF DARKNESS
METAMORPHOSIS
MIRROR FORCE
MORPHING JAR
MYSTICAL SPACE TYPHOON
NIGHT ASSAILANT
NOBLEMAN OF CROSSOUT
POT OF AVARICE
PREMATURE BURIAL
PROTECTOR OF THE SANCTUARY
RIGHT ARM OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE
RIGHT LEG OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE
RING OF DESTRUCTION
SACRED PHOENIX OF NEPHTHYS
SANGAN
SCAPEGOAT
SPIRIT REAPER
SWORDS OF REVEALING LIGHT
TORRENTIAL TRIBUTE
TREEBORN FROG
TWIN-HEADED BEHEMOTH
ULTIMATE OFFERING
UNITED WE STAND

NEW! - Future Fusion, Gravity Bind, Magician of Faith, Nobleman of Crossout, Ring of Destruction, Spirit Reaper, Ultimate Offering


III. Semi-Limited Cards

You can ONLY use two of the following cards in the Deck & Side Deck combined:

APPRENTICE MAGICIAN
CREATURE SWAP
DECK DEVASTATION VIRUS
EXILED FORCE
GIANT TRUNADE
GOOD GOBLI

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I thought in order to get some of the more obvious ranting out of the way I’d ask this question:



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Originally Posted by WildWill
Kevin, is there any way that you could perhaps explain the process a little bit more, and if possible, can you give the kids a background on why some of the changes? I think that if they had more details they might not be so abrasive.

I could be wrong though.



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Sure. First of all, we send a list to Konami saying "here's our ideal list". And we explain, for every single card, why it should be where it is on the list (or not on the list, for cards we think should be taken off).

Then, Konami sends us their ideal list, with all of their reasons.

Then we go back and forth until we reach an agreement. We don't get everything we want. And they don't get everything they want. That's how these things work. We have to make concessions for the way things are in Japan. And Konami has to make concessions for the way things are here.

We don't have gadgets running everywhere, and we don't have the baboon problem they do, and we don't have as big a problem with stall decks as they do. They need things done in order to fix these problems, and we have to accomodate them. They don't have the 2-Attribute game that we do (where FIRE/EARTH/WIND/WATER are ignored), and they don't have Reaper Syndrome like we do, and their players are a lot younger than ours are and don't go to big tournaments (because they don't have them). So they have to accomodate us on some things that don't make sense for them.

(You guys don't ever see the biggest battles that we fight about the list, because we always win those.)



Kevin has also already made these comments:


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Originally Posted by FreeWilly!
What do you have to say to this?

UDE's philosophy has always been to have a shorter list overall (forbidden + limited + semi-limited) by increasing the ## of forbidden cards.

If putting 1 card on the forbidden list lets us remove 3 cards completely, then that's a good idea.

The key is to use the forbidden list like a scalpal.

And lots of cards don't need to be on the list at all. Recent examples include Marauding Captain and Abyss Soldier, as I've mentioned. And more will come off this time. And others will move from limited to semi-.


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Yep, we stand by that.
We want Butterfly Dagger errata'd & off the list.
We want Time Seal off the list.
We want Lily off the list.
We want all the Exodia limbs (but not the head) off the list.
We want Mage Power off the list.
We want Mask of Darkness off the list.
We want Metamorphosis off the list.
We want Reckless Greed off the list.
We want Apprentice Magician off the list.
We want DDV off the list.

Guess what? Konami & Shueisha don't agree. And they call the shots. I don't like it either, but that's the way the world works.

We DID get 4 cards off the list this time, and got 2 more migrated to semi-limited. (And hopefully on their way off the list entirely.)

And we got the most-complained about cards (Chaos Sorcerer, Spirit Reaper) dealt with.

I think that's a victory. Sorry if you don't agree.





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Had they done the reverse, and put Overload at 1 and left Future at 3, you would have limited the OTK capability even further, while at the same time boosting other decks like Strike Ninja.

Oh well. People have consistently said that Konami/UDE have no clue what they are doing...why should anyone be surprised now


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Originally Posted by KevinTewart@UDE.com
We also argued that Overload Fusion was the key and should be limited instead of Future Fusion. But Konami didn't agree.

And, well, they DO have more experience with these cards than we do.






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Originally Posted by SOUL_LESS
Also one question, is this a world wide banned list?


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Originally Posted by KevinTewart@UDE.com
Yes, the list MUST be world-wide. Shueisha is most insistent on that. The trick was to get them to cater to OUR needs this time, instead of just Japan's needs. And we succeeded in that. 





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Kevin, may I ask as to why Ring and Exiled have taken a less limited state while Reaper was limited to one?

Wouldn't these cards perfectly counter Reaper?


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Originally Posted by KevinTewart@UDE.COM
Because Reaper is just annoying. It's indestructible in battle and has a Don Zaloog effect. I think it's better than Marshmallown, and they limited Marshmallown in Japan, so why shouldn't Reaper be limited?

The game is about monsters fighting. A big monster that can't be killed because it's ginormous is one thing. A little monster that can't be killed just because its text says so.... well, that's just kind of silly, don't you think?

Ring is back for a couple reasons. First, because cards DO come off the Forbidden List. Takahashi HATES the idea of having cards that are banned forever. He refuses to allow that in his game. Cards do and will come off. The forbidden list does change. That's a fact of life.

Second, Ring is a nice counter to some of the OTK's that might otherwise be a problem. 


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Holy ****. I quit. Stein is at 3.

What the **** is wrong with them? They didn't open up ANY new decks. They just limited them. I seriously do quit.
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lol, this is the worst format i've ever seen. THey killed the game for real. All they did was curb the chimeratech OTK and kill chaos, without halting the stein OTK. Trunade at 2. who cares.

SteinOTK is like, the only viable decktype now.

pfft to UDE.
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Holy ****. I quit. Stein is at 3.

What the **** is wrong with them? They didn't open up ANY new decks. They just limited them. I seriously do quit.

Dude, Can you not read, stein is at 3 but look, ROD!!!


And no FC, its not.

There are so many types now.
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Well I'm only going to be playing casual this format.

Stein is going to dominate here, there's nothing really that can stop it.
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I don't care. It's at one.

If you puppy ban TER unlimit Goats. That would have opened up a lot of new decks. I hate them. Hate hate hate.
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And no FC, its not.

There are so many types now.

feel free to list them. they ban TER without opening goats, kill off 2 kinds of stall and destroyed chaos. they even killed black ptera by limiting ultimate offering. magician control isn't even viable with MOF at 1. and they banned tsuku. no FFC. and reaper is at 1. and even nobleman is at 1.

the only big changes is we got back ring and protector. who cares?
and reflect is off. no one cares about that.

which means that this entire format, in one way or another, will be machine populated. either MAchine OTK, stein OTK or gadget control.

lol, what a lame format. All they did was limit good cards without limiting the most broken of all.
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Aug 17 2006, 10:05 AM


And no FC, its not.

There are so many types now.

feel free to list them. they ban TER without opening goats, kill off 2 kinds of stall and destroyed chaos. they even killed black ptera by limiting ultimate offering. magician control isn't even viable with MOF at 1. and they banned tsuku. no FFC.

Darkworld
Macro
Monarch
Stein
Tech
CC
Other weird otks
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how about any deck that has as a win condition things that are NOT OTK/Chaos/Stall? be creative. don't quagmire yourself in previously thought "Standard Tactics". if all you can do is complain that Chaos is dead, then you are complacent.
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Aug 17 2006, 10:13 AM

Darkworld
Macro
Monarch
Stein
Tech
CC
Other weird otks

so, what you mean to say is this format, only with less deck options...

oh boy. I'm excited.=/

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how about any deck that has as a win condition things that are NOT OTK/Chaos/Stall? be creative. don't quagmire yourself in previously thought "Standard Tactics". if all you can do is complain that Chaos is dead, then you are complacent.


im not being complacent, im being realistic. if you like taking your super fun tier 5 deck to a reggys, that's fine. it'll get crushed by the 50 stein OTKS you'll see.
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LESS options? how about a chance to play something other than chaos at a SJC or tourney? that allows for more options, rather than going with the main deck. Chaos, in any form, has dominated for over 2 YEARS, in america. that is rediculous.
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lol, chaos is only a semi-broken format. Stein OTK is horribly broken.
especially now with 2 exiled forces...

so now they've just motivated everyone who wants to win to run stein.

this formats TIER 1 was pretty much

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- Decree Swap(Chaos)
- Reuturn(Chaos)
- Recruiter(Chaos)
- Apprentice Swap(Chaos)
- Oppression
- Cyber Stien(OTK)
- Chimeratech Over Dragon(OTK)


all they did was bump a couple 2nd tier decks to first tier and destroy all the first tier decks except SteinOTK.
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Ok. Let me sum it up. This entire list is half-assed. They knew the problems were:
Chaos [Least of them all]
Stein
Chimera

They answered all of them. The only one they did a good job with was Chimera. Sorcerer could have been at 1. He's not banlist worthy. And I'm assuming their lame answer to Stein was Trunade at 2 and Ring.

Why the hell do you ban 2 parts of Goat Control and not unlimit the now half as useful parts? What the hell is wrong with them? The limited MoF and banned Tsuk? MoF should be at 2 or 3.

I'm assuming Offering is because of Ptera. They limit a minor OTK that will never win and they leave Stein alone. I could rant all day and I probably will. Continue to argue with me.
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otk only lost 1 trunade.

however, RoD will neutrilize the random stein decks.

without shield crush, i dont like NoC at 1.

looks to me like a beatdown/monarch format.
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And no FC, its not.

There are so many types now.

feel free to list them. they ban TER without opening goats, kill off 2 kinds of stall and destroyed chaos. they even killed black ptera by limiting ultimate offering. magician control isn't even viable with MOF at 1. and they banned tsuku. no FFC.

Darkworld
Macro
Monarch
Stein
Tech
CC
Other weird otks

Every deck you just said is inferior to stien otk in every way.
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