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Aug 17 2006, 08:31 PM
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- Aaron_the_archsage
- Aug 17 2006, 07:35 PM
Well, it took them long enough... But they finnaly banned Snatch Steal and CS
I don't think Snatch was worth banning (if that was the actual list, there's no knowing now). It was fine where it was. And even if it IS banned, Brain Control can be run in 3s, so it really won't hurt gaining control of your opponent's monsters too badly.
Snatch & TER should be limited, NoC should be Semi, and Goats should run free in 3s. Also, Tsuku should be Semi and Sorcerer should be kept banned. Oh, and Exiled should be Semi, too.
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Aug 17 2006, 08:33 PM
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I don't think Snatch was worth banning (if that was the actual list, there's no knowing now). It was fine where it was. And even if it IS banned, Brain Control can be run in 3s, so it really won't hurt gaining control of your opponent's monsters too badly.
Snatch & TER should be limited, NoC should be Semi, and Goats should run free in 3s. Also, Tsuku should be Semi and Sorcerer should be kept banned. Oh, and Exiled should be Semi, too.
Dude, that prove it, your not riginal, this format brings out so much, but, they should of limited Stein.
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Aug 17 2006, 08:38 PM
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I agree with you TDS. I just want Stein Banned and a couple of the cards unbanned. Plus i think RFtDD should be limited cause if there is no more chaos people will probably start trying to run Bazoo/Strike Ninja/Freed Decks.
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Aug 17 2006, 08:45 PM
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- Aug 17 2006, 08:27 PM
So far what they have is a step in the right direction but they need to ban a few more cards to fix it. :natuhmm:
Mainly stien lol. Limit overload fusion to1 and future fustion as well. And bring tsuku at 1. Then I'll be happy.
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Aug 17 2006, 08:49 PM
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I thought in order to get some of the more obvious ranting out of the way I’d ask this question:
Quote: Originally Posted by WildWill Kevin, is there any way that you could perhaps explain the process a little bit more, and if possible, can you give the kids a background on why some of the changes? I think that if they had more details they might not be so abrasive.
I could be wrong though.
Quote: Originally Posted by KevinTewart@UDE.com Sure. First of all, we send a list to Konami saying "here's our ideal list". And we explain, for every single card, why it should be where it is on the list (or not on the list, for cards we think should be taken off).
Then, Konami sends us their ideal list, with all of their reasons.
Then we go back and forth until we reach an agreement. We don't get everything we want. And they don't get everything they want. That's how these things work. We have to make concessions for the way things are in Japan. And Konami has to make concessions for the way things are here.
We don't have gadgets running everywhere, and we don't have the baboon problem they do, and we don't have as big a problem with stall decks as they do. They need things done in order to fix these problems, and we have to accomodate them. They don't have the 2-Attribute game that we do (where FIRE/EARTH/WIND/WATER are ignored), and they don't have Reaper Syndrome like we do, and their players are a lot younger than ours are and don't go to big tournaments (because they don't have them). So they have to accomodate us on some things that don't make sense for them.
(You guys don't ever see the biggest battles that we fight about the list, because we always win those.)
Kevin has also already made these comments:
Quote: Originally Posted by FreeWilly! What do you have to say to this?
UDE's philosophy has always been to have a shorter list overall (forbidden + limited + semi-limited) by increasing the ## of forbidden cards.
If putting 1 card on the forbidden list lets us remove 3 cards completely, then that's a good idea.
The key is to use the forbidden list like a scalpal.
And lots of cards don't need to be on the list at all. Recent examples include Marauding Captain and Abyss Soldier, as I've mentioned. And more will come off this time. And others will move from limited to semi-.
Quote: Originally Posted by KevinTewart@UDE.com Yep, we stand by that. We want Butterfly Dagger errata'd & off the list. We want Time Seal off the list. We want Lily off the list. We want all the Exodia limbs (but not the head) off the list. We want Mage Power off the list. We want Mask of Darkness off the list. We want Metamorphosis off the list. We want Reckless Greed off the list. We want Apprentice Magician off the list. We want DDV off the list.
Guess what? Konami & Shueisha don't agree. And they call the shots. I don't like it either, but that's the way the world works.
We DID get 4 cards off the list this time, and got 2 more migrated to semi-limited. (And hopefully on their way off the list entirely.)
And we got the most-complained about cards (Chaos Sorcerer, Spirit Reaper) dealt with.
I think that's a victory. Sorry if you don't agree.
Quote: Originally Posted by turkeyspit Had they done the reverse, and put Overload at 1 and left Future at 3, you would have limited the OTK capability even further, while at the same time boosting other decks like Strike Ninja.
Oh well. People have consistently said that Konami/UDE have no clue what they are doing...why should anyone be surprised now
Quote: Originally Posted by KevinTewart@UDE.com We also argued that Overload Fusion was the key and should be limited instead of Future Fusion. But Konami didn't agree.
And, well, they DO have more experience with these cards than we do.
Quote: Originally Posted by SOUL_LESS Also one question, is this a world wide banned list?
Quote: Originally Posted by KevinTewart@UDE.com Yes, the list MUST be world-wide. Shueisha is most insistent on that. The trick was to get them to cater to OUR needs this time, instead of just Japan's needs. And we succeeded in that.
Quote: Originally Posted by | A. | Kevin, may I ask as to why Ring and Exiled have taken a less limited state while Reaper was limited to one?
Wouldn't these cards perfectly counter Reaper?
Quote: Originally Posted by KevinTewart@UDE.COM Because Reaper is just annoying. It's indestructible in battle and has a Don Zaloog effect. I think it's better than Marshmallown, and they limited Marshmallown in Japan, so why shouldn't Reaper be limited?
The game is about monsters fighting. A big monster that can't be killed because it's ginormous is one thing. A little monster that can't be killed just because its text says so.... well, that's just kind of silly, don't you think?
Ring is back for a couple reasons. First, because cards DO come off the Forbidden List. Takahashi HATES the idea of having cards that are banned forever. He refuses to allow that in his game. Cards do and will come off. The forbidden list does change. That's a fact of life.
Second, Ring is a nice counter to some of the OTK's that might otherwise be a problem.
So its true Kevin says this will be our list! :natosad:
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Aug 17 2006, 08:51 PM
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Aug 17 2006, 08:53 PM
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- PaulM.
- Aug 17 2006, 07:53 PM
You think Stein is bad now???
Dude, the new meta is HAND CONTROL.
They've limited Crossout, unlimited Drop Off, and semi-limited Reckless Greed.
Just run the two Reckless, the Drop Off's and Dekoichi's + Skelengel and Don Zaloog.
You think Cyber Stein is godly, wait until they start killing your monsters using THREE Lightning Vortex in their deck. xDD
OMG, this format is perfect for me. I've hated Chaos for the longest time, and now that it's gone I'll be able to run something besides the old metagame. Sweetness.
-1ing yourself up to five times isn't gonna win you alot of games.
3 Votex should not be used, period. Smashing/Fissure/Hammer SHot are all better. Reckless Greed fails at life unless you use them both at the same time. Drop Off has never been good, and people are playing alot of quickplays currently.
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Aug 17 2006, 08:59 PM
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- Aug 17 2006, 08:49 PM
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I thought in order to get some of the more obvious ranting out of the way I’d ask this question:
Quote: Originally Posted by WildWill Kevin, is there any way that you could perhaps explain the process a little bit more, and if possible, can you give the kids a background on why some of the changes? I think that if they had more details they might not be so abrasive.
I could be wrong though.
Quote: Originally Posted by KevinTewart@UDE.com Sure. First of all, we send a list to Konami saying "here's our ideal list". And we explain, for every single card, why it should be where it is on the list (or not on the list, for cards we think should be taken off).
Then, Konami sends us their ideal list, with all of their reasons.
Then we go back and forth until we reach an agreement. We don't get everything we want. And they don't get everything they want. That's how these things work. We have to make concessions for the way things are in Japan. And Konami has to make concessions for the way things are here.
We don't have gadgets running everywhere, and we don't have the baboon problem they do, and we don't have as big a problem with stall decks as they do. They need things done in order to fix these problems, and we have to accomodate them. They don't have the 2-Attribute game that we do (where FIRE/EARTH/WIND/WATER are ignored), and they don't have Reaper Syndrome like we do, and their players are a lot younger than ours are and don't go to big tournaments (because they don't have them). So they have to accomodate us on some things that don't make sense for them.
(You guys don't ever see the biggest battles that we fight about the list, because we always win those.)
Kevin has also already made these comments:
Quote: Originally Posted by FreeWilly! What do you have to say to this?
UDE's philosophy has always been to have a shorter list overall (forbidden + limited + semi-limited) by increasing the ## of forbidden cards.
If putting 1 card on the forbidden list lets us remove 3 cards completely, then that's a good idea.
The key is to use the forbidden list like a scalpal.
And lots of cards don't need to be on the list at all. Recent examples include Marauding Captain and Abyss Soldier, as I've mentioned. And more will come off this time. And others will move from limited to semi-.
Quote: Originally Posted by KevinTewart@UDE.com Yep, we stand by that. We want Butterfly Dagger errata'd & off the list. We want Time Seal off the list. We want Lily off the list. We want all the Exodia limbs (but not the head) off the list. We want Mage Power off the list. We want Mask of Darkness off the list. We want Metamorphosis off the list. We want Reckless Greed off the list. We want Apprentice Magician off the list. We want DDV off the list.
Guess what? Konami & Shueisha don't agree. And they call the shots. I don't like it either, but that's the way the world works.
We DID get 4 cards off the list this time, and got 2 more migrated to semi-limited. (And hopefully on their way off the list entirely.)
And we got the most-complained about cards (Chaos Sorcerer, Spirit Reaper) dealt with.
I think that's a victory. Sorry if you don't agree.
Quote: Originally Posted by turkeyspit Had they done the reverse, and put Overload at 1 and left Future at 3, you would have limited the OTK capability even further, while at the same time boosting other decks like Strike Ninja.
Oh well. People have consistently said that Konami/UDE have no clue what they are doing...why should anyone be surprised now
Quote: Originally Posted by KevinTewart@UDE.com We also argued that Overload Fusion was the key and should be limited instead of Future Fusion. But Konami didn't agree.
And, well, they DO have more experience with these cards than we do.
Quote: Originally Posted by SOUL_LESS Also one question, is this a world wide banned list?
Quote: Originally Posted by KevinTewart@UDE.com Yes, the list MUST be world-wide. Shueisha is most insistent on that. The trick was to get them to cater to OUR needs this time, instead of just Japan's needs. And we succeeded in that.
Quote: Originally Posted by | A. | Kevin, may I ask as to why Ring and Exiled have taken a less limited state while Reaper was limited to one?
Wouldn't these cards perfectly counter Reaper?
Quote: Originally Posted by KevinTewart@UDE.COM Because Reaper is just annoying. It's indestructible in battle and has a Don Zaloog effect. I think it's better than Marshmallown, and they limited Marshmallown in Japan, so why shouldn't Reaper be limited?
The game is about monsters fighting. A big monster that can't be killed because it's ginormous is one thing. A little monster that can't be killed just because its text says so.... well, that's just kind of silly, don't you think?
Ring is back for a couple reasons. First, because cards DO come off the Forbidden List. Takahashi HATES the idea of having cards that are banned forever. He refuses to allow that in his game. Cards do and will come off. The forbidden list does change. That's a fact of life.
Second, Ring is a nice counter to some of the OTK's that might otherwise be a problem.
So its true Kevin says this will be our list! :natosad:
You copy cat!!
And yes, its stay, the only thing that bothers me is stein at 3, it should be at 1.
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Aug 17 2006, 09:33 PM
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When it comes back on UDEs site then ill believe it. I wont trust anything that comes out of pojo xD
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Aug 17 2006, 09:36 PM
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I dont get it, they didnt say anything about Stein. Oh well, I guess I am going to have to start doing 3000+ damage towards the beginning of the match and siding several wabokus and threatening roars.
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Aug 17 2006, 09:42 PM
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- Aug 17 2006, 08:31 PM
I don't think Snatch was worth banning (if that was the actual list, there's no knowing now). It was fine where it was. And even if it IS banned, Brain Control can be run in 3s, so it really won't hurt gaining control of your opponent's monsters too badly.
Snatch & TER should be limited, NoC should be Semi, and Goats should run free in 3s. Also, Tsuku should be Semi and Sorcerer should be kept banned. Oh, and Exiled should be Semi, too.
Dude, that prove it, your not riginal, this format brings out so much, but, they should of limited Stein.
lol, that was exactly the point I made earlier. they killed off every tier one deck except stein. if stein were banned, the new format would promote a variety of originality. but leaving the most broken OTK out there available and removing every other tier 1 deck is just...odd.
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Aug 17 2006, 09:46 PM
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There are really 2 ways of punishing overextension (all time low) and with 3 decree they dont matter.
this format is VERY aggro.
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Aug 17 2006, 11:13 PM
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When it comes back on UDEs site then ill believe it. I wont trust anything that comes out of pojo xD
I've never found Pojo to be very trustworthy.
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Dude, that prove it, your not riginal, this format brings out so much, but, they should of limited Stein.
Limiting Stein would do little, since it's usually run in 1s anyway, at least where I play. I say ban it. But, because of this list, I don't see UDE having the intelligence to do something smart like that.
And, original or not, it doesn't change what I think. I don't think the cards I metioned should be anywhere but where I said. No one said I had to be original to agree and backup others' thoughts.
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lol, that was exactly the point I made earlier. they killed off every tier one deck except stein. if stein were banned, the new format would promote a variety of originality. but leaving the most broken OTK out there available and removing every other tier 1 deck is just...odd.
Banning Stein would, as previously stated by various others, would bring skill to the game, which I haven't seen much of, due to Stein OTK, which seems to be the only deck used where I play.
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Aug 17 2006, 11:24 PM
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If KevinTewart@UDE.com says this is the new ban list then this is the new ban list people, unless they change it overnight this is it. :natosad:
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If KevinTewart@UDE.com says this is the new ban list then this is the new ban list people, unless they change it overnight this is it. :natosad:
this is the new banlist.
The website just probably got 1337 Hax0red
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