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New Ban List Out Part 2
Topic Started: Aug 18 2006, 01:44 PM (1,787 Views)
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The new ban list is out. Discuss with no spamming or flaming please!

Old Thread: http://duelisthq.net/index.php?showtopic=8333

Recently, the September 1st Forbidden/Restricted List's page was removed from public view on the web page for unknown reasons. The links will remain in place for when the page is returned. Until its verified that the page is back, however, its possible (read that: Likely) that both links will take you to the April 1st Forbidden/Restricted List. In the meanwhile, we do have the list posted on the Judge List.

http://lists.upperdeck.com/read/messages?id=10517

The Advanced Format will be used at premier events, and the World Championship.

ADVANCED FORMAT LIST EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 1st


I. Forbidden Cards

You cannot use these cards in your Deck or Side Deck:

BLACK LUSTER SOLDIER - ENVOY OF THE BEGINNING
BUTTERFLY DAGGER - ELMA
CHANGE OF HEART
CHAOS EMPEROR DRAGON - ENVOY OF THE END
CHAOS SORCERER
CYBER JAR
DARK HOLE
DELINQUENT DUO
EXCHANGE OF THE SPIRIT
FIBER JAR
HARPIE'S FEATHER DUSTER
IMPERIAL ORDER
LAST TURN
MAGICAL SCIENTIST
MAKYURA THE DESTRUCTOR
MIRAGE OF NIGHTMARE
MONSTER REBORN
PAINFUL CHOICE
POT OF GREED
RAIGEKI
SINISTER SERPENT
SNATCH STEAL
THE FORCEFUL SENTRY
THOUSAND-EYES RESTRICT
TIME SEAL
TRIBE-INFECTING VIRUS
TSUKUYOMI
WITCH OF THE BLACK FOREST
YATA-GARASU

NEW! - Chaos Sorcerer, Snatch Steal, Thousand-Eyes Restrict, Tsukuyomi


II. Limited Cards

You can ONLY use one of the following cards in the Deck & Side Deck combined:

BOOK OF MOON
BREAKER THE MAGICAL WARRIOR
CALL OF THE HAUNTED
CARD DESTRUCTION
CEASEFIRE
CONFISCATION
D. D. ASSAILANT
D. D. WARRIOR LADY
DARK MAGICIAN OF CHAOS
EXODIA THE FORBIDDEN ONE
FUTURE FUSION
GRACEFUL CHARITY
GRAVITY BIND
HEAVY STORM
INJECTION FAIRY LILY
JINZO
LAST WILL
LEFT ARM OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE
LEFT LEG OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE
LEVEL LIMIT - AREA B
LIMITER REMOVAL
MAGE POWER
MAGIC CYLINDER
MAGICIAN OF FAITH
MASK OF DARKNESS
METAMORPHOSIS
MIRROR FORCE
MORPHING JAR
MYSTICAL SPACE TYPHOON
NIGHT ASSAILANT
NOBLEMAN OF CROSSOUT
POT OF AVARICE
PREMATURE BURIAL
PROTECTOR OF THE SANCTUARY
RIGHT ARM OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE
RIGHT LEG OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE
RING OF DESTRUCTION
SACRED PHOENIX OF NEPHTHYS
SANGAN
SCAPEGOAT
SPIRIT REAPER
SWORDS OF REVEALING LIGHT
TORRENTIAL TRIBUTE
TREEBORN FROG
TWIN-HEADED BEHEMOTH
ULTIMATE OFFERING
UNITED WE STAND

NEW! - Future Fusion, Gravity Bind, Magician of Faith, Nobleman of Crossout, Ring of Destruction, Spirit Reaper, Ultimate Offering


III. Semi-Limited Cards

You can ONLY use two of the following cards in the Deck & Side Deck combined:

APPRENTICE MAGICIAN
CREATURE SWAP
DECK DEVASTATION VIRUS
EXILED FORCE
GIANT TRUNADE
GOOD GOBLIN HOUSEKEEPING
MANTICORE OF DARKNESS
RECKLESS GREED
REINFORCEMENT OF THE ARMY
UPSTART GOBLIN
WALL OF REVEALING LIGHT

NEW! - Exiled Force, Giant Trunade, Reckless Greed, Wall of Revealing Light
NEW! - The following cards are no longer Limited: Drop Off, Emergency Provisions, Lightning Vortex, Reflect Bounder

Taken from pojo!
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I thought in order to get some of the more obvious ranting out of the way I’d ask this question:



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Kevin, is there any way that you could perhaps explain the process a little bit more, and if possible, can you give the kids a background on why some of the changes? I think that if they had more details they might not be so abrasive.

I could be wrong though.



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Sure. First of all, we send a list to Konami saying "here's our ideal list". And we explain, for every single card, why it should be where it is on the list (or not on the list, for cards we think should be taken off).

Then, Konami sends us their ideal list, with all of their reasons.

Then we go back and forth until we reach an agreement. We don't get everything we want. And they don't get everything they want. That's how these things work. We have to make concessions for the way things are in Japan. And Konami has to make concessions for the way things are here.

We don't have gadgets running everywhere, and we don't have the baboon problem they do, and we don't have as big a problem with stall decks as they do. They need things done in order to fix these problems, and we have to accomodate them. They don't have the 2-Attribute game that we do (where FIRE/EARTH/WIND/WATER are ignored), and they don't have Reaper Syndrome like we do, and their players are a lot younger than ours are and don't go to big tournaments (because they don't have them). So they have to accomodate us on some things that don't make sense for them.

(You guys don't ever see the biggest battles that we fight about the list, because we always win those.)



Kevin has also already made these comments:


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What do you have to say to this?

UDE's philosophy has always been to have a shorter list overall (forbidden + limited + semi-limited) by increasing the ## of forbidden cards.

If putting 1 card on the forbidden list lets us remove 3 cards completely, then that's a good idea.

The key is to use the forbidden list like a scalpal.

And lots of cards don't need to be on the list at all. Recent examples include Marauding Captain and Abyss Soldier, as I've mentioned. And more will come off this time. And others will move from limited to semi-.


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Yep, we stand by that.
We want Butterfly Dagger errata'd & off the list.
We want Time Seal off the list.
We want Lily off the list.
We want all the Exodia limbs (but not the head) off the list.
We want Mage Power off the list.
We want Mask of Darkness off the list.
We want Metamorphosis off the list.
We want Reckless Greed off the list.
We want Apprentice Magician off the list.
We want DDV off the list.

Guess what? Konami & Shueisha don't agree. And they call the shots. I don't like it either, but that's the way the world works.

We DID get 4 cards off the list this time, and got 2 more migrated to semi-limited. (And hopefully on their way off the list entirely.)

And we got the most-complained about cards (Chaos Sorcerer, Spirit Reaper) dealt with.

I think that's a victory. Sorry if you don't agree.





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Had they done the reverse, and put Overload at 1 and left Future at 3, you would have limited the OTK capability even further, while at the same time boosting other decks like Strike Ninja.

Oh well. People have consistently said that Konami/UDE have no clue what they are doing...why should anyone be surprised now


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Originally Posted by KevinTewart@UDE.com
We also argued that Overload Fusion was the key and should be limited instead of Future Fusion. But Konami didn't agree.

And, well, they DO have more experience with these cards than we do.






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Originally Posted by SOUL_LESS
Also one question, is this a world wide banned list?


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Originally Posted by KevinTewart@UDE.com
Yes, the list MUST be world-wide. Shueisha is most insistent on that. The trick was to get them to cater to OUR needs this time, instead of just Japan's needs. And we succeeded in that. 





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Originally Posted by | A. |
Kevin, may I ask as to why Ring and Exiled have taken a less limited state while Reaper was limited to one?

Wouldn't these cards perfectly counter Reaper?


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Originally Posted by KevinTewart@UDE.COM
Because Reaper is just annoying. It's indestructible in battle and has a Don Zaloog effect. I think it's better than Marshmallown, and they limited Marshmallown in Japan, so why shouldn't Reaper be limited?

The game is about monsters fighting. A big monster that can't be killed because it's ginormous is one thing. A little monster that can't be killed just because its text says so.... well, that's just kind of silly, don't you think?

Ring is back for a couple reasons. First, because cards DO come off the Forbidden List. Takahashi HATES the idea of having cards that are banned forever. He refuses to allow that in his game. Cards do and will come off. The forbidden list does change. That's a fact of life.

Second, Ring is a nice counter to some of the OTK's that might otherwise be a problem. 


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something I saw in the old thread that Jaymiechan posted. HE said Ptera wasn't killed.

Ultimate Offering is at 1. That's the only reason the OTK works.

this is is very, very aggro and I'd probably enjoy it alot more if STEIN OTK wasn't the only Tier 1 left.
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Aug 18 2006, 02:46 PM
The bottom part of the list is missing.

Thank you, I fixed it and added some more info.

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With each format the game shifts more and more to accomodate aggresive non control players like Cascade Sky and most famously austin kulman.
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Well, it isn't killed. You can use Cat of Ill Omen to search for the Offering.
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when a card gets limited to 1 and it's an essential part of an OTK, the OTK dies essentially.

see last turn for details.
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i do so enjoy it when one person assumes the other is a simpleton. Just because Last turn became less popular because of 1 copy, this does not automatically mean that Ptera will do the same.
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i do so enjoy it when one person assumes the other is a simpleton. Just because Last turn became less popular because of 1 copy, this does not automatically mean that Ptera will do the same.

However, there is always that chance. There's really no way of knowing for sure, but seeing as Last Turn pretty much died out because it was limited, there is a good chance Ptera will do the same now that Offering is at 1, too. But, like I said, there's no way of knowing just yet, but I'm inclined to think that it will die out due to this.

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stein isnt only tier 1 deck... theyres still competetive non otk decks, like dark world, monarch control , beatdown, strike ninja , and much more.. all of them are competetive.
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stein isnt only tier 1 deck... theyres still competetive non otk decks, like dark world, monarch control , beatdown, strike ninja , and much more.. all of them are competetive.

But Stein will be the top deck, imo. I don't think those would be able to stand against it, but that's just me.

But I think it'd be nice if they wiped Stein so bad that people stopped using it and started using one of the decks you mentioned, because then maybe, just maybe, there'd be a little more skill to the game.

But I could be wrong and just wishing for SOME way Stein will be gotten rid of.

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Guys stop talking about it, they took it down, its probable there making changes.

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Guys stop talking about it, they took it down, its probable there making changes.

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No.

The list has already been distributed to all the judges and commented on by Kevin Tewart himself.

Like it or not this is the list. ( tho i do kinda hope im wrong)
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You are, that link in the thread was sent etc.. before the new list was taken down.

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OverDragon got neutered a bit. Stein needs to be. Ptera got neutered a bit. Although the way Chimera got worked over it is now a more Late Game deck. although, hmmm, my prediction is that there will be a combo OTK. Chimera-Stein. Stein is a machine, and if the Stein OTK part is neutered (from ROD, Wanghu, whatever) the dead Stein can be a fusion piece of OverDragon.
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