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Item Stackability Limits?
Topic Started: Oct 19 2008, 06:58 PM (1,593 Views)
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Town Knave's guide mentions stackability, but how does the stacking work?

Example: I have 2 Dragon Tamers and *each* hold 4 Dragos. Is the attack/defense mod boost equivalent to 10 Dragon Tamers with no Dragos, even though having 10 at once is impossible? Or do multiple identical items on a single character *not* stack? Or is there a cap to stacking?

Additionally, is the stacking process equivalent with the WordRock Aileron and terror effect necklace?

I'm sorry if this has been covered before. I found out about this board just recently and can't check every single thread...
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I'm not too certain about this issue myself. Perhaps Town Knave himself might be able to answer your question. By the way, welcome to the forums! :D
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Town Knave himself will answer your question indeed!

Yes, they will stack, just as you describe. Every Dragon Tamer or Dragos provides the same effect: +5 to Dragons' attack and defense mods. Ailerons and Beast Tamers work the same, as do Golems and Word Rocks. As far as I know, there's no limit to the stacking, though I'm sure there is a cap to attack and defense mods in general (I think 200 is it). Essentially, more than 20 or so stacked species specific boosts would usually be wasted unless you're on awful terrain- but of course good luck ever getting them that high.

The dragon slayer effect and the terror effect work in the same ways, though you can't stack those quite as aggressively.

Theoretically, a naked Dragon Tamer with 4 Dragos stones could give +25 attack and defense.. our you could just go for +20 by equipping the stones on the dragon itself. 2 dragons fully loaded with Dragos stones would have +40 attack and defense mod if they stayed close together. Of course, it can be tough to amass that many :). Take note, however- these mods only apply to damage, not to hit rate- their may be times where sticking an orb on your monster helps their average damage as much or more than one of these boosts.
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The power of the Dragos Stone works on Lizard Men as well, right? :)
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Oct 20 2008, 01:00 AM
The power of the Dragos Stone works on Lizard Men as well, right? :)

Correct, they are Dragon species. 10 Lizard Men each with a weapon and three Dragos is basically unstoppable.
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Town Knave there is an issue when you mention the Orb; it doesn't add for the average damage, just works for WT issues not anything else (unless we are talking about elemental defense related to the orb), it is something that good old Zaebos mentioned on his old posts.
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What I mean by increasing the average damage is that the -10 weight from the orb increases your hit rate, which increases the average damage you'll do per swing unless you were already always hitting with 100% chance.

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Does this also affect the hit rate of certain spells as well?
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Are you sure it works? I always thought the orb would disappear BEFORE the damage dealing, therefore rendering its weight reduction useless.


...actually, I never thought anything about it, I'm just wondering now :weird:
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Oct 20 2008, 10:58 PM
Are you sure it works? I always thought the orb would disappear BEFORE the damage dealing, therefore rendering its weight reduction useless.


...actually, I never thought anything about it, I'm just wondering now :weird:

I'm not saying USE the Orb for its goddess summon, I'm saying use it for the weight reduction and hit rate boost.

And yes, orbs affect spell accuracy.
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So the monsters *can* boost themselves with the items. Wow. Kind of trivializes the point of having Dragon and Beast Tamers at all. Thanks Town Knave.

This board is great. The collective knowledge and activity of the posters is far beyond the OB and LUCT GameFAQs boards and my brother's (tacticsogre.com). I appreciate the welcome.
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Oct 20 2008, 05:42 AM
What I mean by increasing the average damage is that the -10 weight from the orb increases your hit rate, which increases the average damage you'll do per swing unless you were already always hitting with 100% chance.

If you mean under hit rate number of hits versus time then it is doable however

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You have to remember the game has 2 different types of weights. The weight of the EQUIPMENT your unit is carrying and the weight time of when your character can move again. The weight that directly influences a character's chance to evade attacks and successfully land an attack is only attributed toward the equipment weight. The orbs do NOT mitigate equipment weight(!), they will only allow your character to move sooner.


However that discussion will be on the proper weight topic not here.
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It would be pretty ironic to see a Dragoon equipped with a Dragos Stone. :P
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Oct 21 2008, 01:58 AM
So the monsters *can* boost themselves with the items. Wow. Kind of trivializes the point of having Dragon and Beast Tamers at all. Thanks Town Knave.

This board is great. The collective knowledge and activity of the posters is far beyond the OB and LUCT GameFAQs boards and my brother's (tacticsogre.com). I appreciate the welcome.

Great to hear we have a new member. The TO community is small, but if we can get it all knowing about this place and coming together there can be some life in it yet.

I think it's a mistake to view BT's and DT's as a waste just because their support ability is replaceable. The BT is a solid fighter in his own right, and the DT sucks but it's not her fault they gave all her VIT to the Archer.

Ailerons and Dragos are far from plentiful, and it is a bit more efficient to get boosts just for being in a certain class than giving up a valuable item slot. Dragon and beast support effects are a nice perk for a class, not the raison d'etre.
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Town Knave
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That's right. :) We need to let people know that this forum truly exists.
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