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Mentality Turns 0
Topic Started: Dec 14 2010, 05:29 PM (1,490 Views)
Fin Samar
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I'm playing Tactics Ogre through again on the SNES and passing through the Hell Gate, I notice one of my terror knights, Aloser and Radlum all had their MEN turned to 0 on the Edit screen. This is not just a display issue because the Terror Knight actually cannot turn back into a Beast Tamer because he does not fulfill the MEN requirement and Aloser cannot turn into a witch.

WTF just happened?
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Ghoulz
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Now that's what I call a glitch :cookie:

I never played the SNES version so I would have no idea why. Are you using any cheats?

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Mifune
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I remember using Gshark on PS's version to turn Denim's luck to 255. Then I saw a luk card, and let denim took it. It was luck+ 1. Guess what happened? Denim's luck became 1 :S

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SnowDream
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May be it was interger overflow like Mifune examplified. I know the same thing happens in Pokemon Blue and became the rationale behind some wild pokemon evolutions and pokemon levels (lv 255 pokemons).
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Clockworker
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Hehe, here. You'll understand why many games have values which range from 0 to 255 (or 1 to 256)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte

Once it's past 255 it will just loop back.
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Fin Samar
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Well, it's a rather selective byte overflow, I have to say. I don't even think any of them had an MEN that was over 200, other than Radlum, whose stats did not go up in any way since I recruited him. On second thought, though, I do remember both my Terror Knight and Aloser picking up MEN cards...

I didn't have any cheats, but I was using savestates to get through Hell Gate.

Well, this just makes me sad now. :barbatos:
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Canopus
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Dec 15 2010, 02:18 AM
I remember using Gshark on PS's version to turn Denim's luck to 255. Then I saw a luk card, and let denim took it. It was luck+ 1. Guess what happened? Denim's luck became 1 :S

About LUK, LUK more than 100 = 0 ..
Max. LUK = 100
Try making LUK = 100 And see the difference.

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SnowDream
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Can't it be hacked to 255 though? The byte technically can take 255 although the game engine limit LUCK increase to cap at 100.
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Yide
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Nope, this is why I made it so you can choose how much luck you want in my PEC update. The code twink site just put every stat at 255, which isn't good for LUC. I was not aware that regular stats couldn't go above 255. I never tested it out myself but if one can meet that in the game with out the means of cheating then they would have raised the cap, as that would break the game if Denims Vit went over 255, and became 1.

It is possible that it was a problem for the snes version, and they fixed it in the PSX version, because I have never heard of this problem. Luc is the only stat that makes sense to be caped at 100 or 99, since it doesn't raise as you gain lvl's unless you have the proper equipment from hells gate.
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Mifune
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hmm~ seems like no one has had any problem with the game for a very long time. With this thing arise...people just love it. Hahahaha!
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Dope
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I've been playing TO with SNES emulation for the longest time but never had that problem. Maybe it's the translation patch if you're using that.
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Ciro
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@Fin Samar
Well, the Curse of Hell Gate persist seven years later (SNES version, english patch played on SNES classic).
Four characters -a Terror Knight, Sara (Cleric), Rendall and Voltel (Sword Master)- had suffered the effect "Mentality 0" during my second run on the Hell Gate. It was just after my first encounter with Sir Roderick (he give me Fire Warm). Like Fin Samar said, is not a display issue; the consequences in-game are terrible (+200 damage after a fireburn).
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