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| Topic Started: 10 Oct 2016, 06:24 PM (4,123 Views) | |
| Skyon Archer | 10 Nov 2016, 01:41 AM Post #121 |
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President-Elect Donald Trump, winner by a landslide! |
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| Shades | 10 Nov 2016, 07:15 AM Post #122 |
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The mad baker in da house.
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Seems you got stuck with the brick. The polls we got to see just before electing started had her with a good 6% lead over him, I guess it shows how unreliable polls can be. |
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| Sandy | 10 Nov 2016, 10:05 AM Post #123 |
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I think I'll be drowning the sorrows again later.. I can honestly say I'm surprised he won, going by all the polls we got from over there Clinton had a good 5 or 6% lead on election morning, it looks like either the polls got it wrong or a lot of folk had a last minute change of mind.. I don't understand the college vote system though, it looks to me like some states have more than others unless I'm misunderstanding something which is likely, I don't know enough about the electoral system there, but what little I know makes it seem a little confusing and difficult.. |
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| Shades | 10 Nov 2016, 09:28 PM Post #124 |
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Interesting to see on the news she had 2% more of the populations votes, yet he won by quite a decent lead. |
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| Sandy | 11 Nov 2016, 12:03 AM Post #125 |
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And still we got trumped, lol.. It'd be interesting learning more about the electoral system over there I think.. |
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| Shades | 11 Nov 2016, 06:55 AM Post #126 |
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It does seem a bit strange eh, if I'm right there's a few similarities to our old FPP system, I'd like to know more though. |
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| Sandy | 11 Nov 2016, 09:49 AM Post #127 |
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It does look like there's similarities eh, it's the college votes and such I haven't figured out yet.. |
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| Skyon Archer | 11 Nov 2016, 04:16 PM Post #128 |
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The United States Electoral College is the body that elects the President and Vice President of the United States every four years. Citizens of the United States do not directly elect the president or the vice president; instead they choose "electors", who usually pledge to vote for particular candidates.[ The number of electors in each state is equal to the number of members of Congress to which the state is entitled, while the Twenty-third Amendment grants the District of Columbia the lesser of the electors it would be entitled to as a state and the electors the least populous has (currently three). Therefore, there are currently 538 electors, corresponding to the 435 Representatives and 100 Senators, plus the three additional electors from the District of Columbia. The Constitution bars any federal official, elected or appointed, from being an elector. All states, except for Maine and Nebraska, have chosen electors on a "winner-take-all" basis since the 1880s. Under winner-take-all, a state has all of its electors pledged to the presidential candidate who wins the most votes in that state. Maine and Nebraska use the "congressional district method", selecting one elector within each congressional district by popular vote and selecting the remaining two electors by a statewide popular vote. Although no elector is required by federal law to honor a pledge, there have been very few occasions when an elector voted contrary to a pledge. The Twelfth Amendment, in specifying how a president and vice president are elected, requires each elector to cast one vote for president and another vote for vice president. The candidate who receives an absolute majority of electoral votes (currently 270) for the office of president or of vice president is elected to that office. The Twelfth Amendment provides for what happens if the Electoral College fails to elect a president or vice president. If no candidate receives a majority for president then the House of Representatives will select the president, with each state delegation (instead of each representative) having only one vote. If no candidate receives a majority for vice president, then the Senate will select the vice president, with each senator having one vote. On five occasions, most recently in the 2016 presidential election, the Electoral College system has resulted in the selection of electors with a majority pledged to a candidate who did not receive the most popular votes in the election. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States) Even though the aggregate national popular vote is calculated by state officials, media organizations, and the Federal Election Commission, the people only indirectly elect the president, as the national popular vote is not the basis for electing the president or vice president. The President and Vice President of the United States are elected by the Electoral College, which consists of 538 presidential electors from the fifty states and Washington, D.C.. |
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| Sandy | 11 Nov 2016, 05:21 PM Post #129 |
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I'm thinking I'm going to have to read that again.. It does seem to be a flawed system though, Clinton got 2% more of the population vote for her, yet Trump has quite a convincing win, it doesn't seem quite right eh.. |
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| Shades | 11 Nov 2016, 09:33 PM Post #130 |
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So, how many college votes go in from a state depends on the population of that state? The higher the population, the more college votes they have? |
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| Sandy | 11 Nov 2016, 11:04 PM Post #131 |
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It looks like the protests are getting a bit.. violent now, I hope no one gets seriously injured, or worse.. |
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| Skyon Archer | 11 Nov 2016, 11:30 PM Post #132 |
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The protest's are simply ridiculous. We have too many rights in the USofA. Our national guard should come out and whoop some butt and put this crap to bed quickly before it carries on much longer. I understand having an opinion and wanting to put it out there for others to hear, but in all honesty, they appear to be just like children who didn't get ice cream for supper. Temper tantrums. Bad kids get their rumps spanked and are sent to bed. Time for some people to get their rumps swatted :D As for the electorial college, it's really crap in my opinion. Something that has outlived it's intent. In the election of Bush versus Gore in 2000, Gore won the popular vote but Bush won the electorial vote. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2000 That was the time I stepped back and realized my vote really didn't count and stopped voting. Only five times in our history has the winner of the election lost the popular vote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_where_winner_lost_popular_vote |
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| Shades | 12 Nov 2016, 09:00 AM Post #133 |
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I have to wonder how many protesters didn't vote? I reckon there'd be quite a few given the choices. |
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| Sandy | 12 Nov 2016, 10:39 AM Post #134 |
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Seems the system there is like our old First Past The Post, or FPP system in that it was a bit unfair.. Our electorates were split into regions then irrespective of population, a candidate here in Hawkes Bay had a population of some 220,000 voters to win over to get the electorate, if we go to say Manawatu, there was only 150,000 voters to win over.. Back in those days there was 90 electorates, so a party had to get 46 to win, the downside was that those 46 electorates didn't necessarily represent 51% of the voting population, they might've only got say 40% of the vote, but because they held 46 electorates they won on the day.. A lot of people were quite glad to see that system go given the government at the time was so unpopular after a 9 year term.. |
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| Shades | 12 Nov 2016, 08:56 PM Post #135 |
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Yeah, reading those articles it looks like the college vote is flawed too, what system isn't though? We have MMP now and people don't like that either. |
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| Sandy | 12 Nov 2016, 10:55 PM Post #136 |
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True, but change that and what do we replace it with? Change is good, but it takes time to get things right on the replacement, that can be easier said than done sometimes.. |
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| Shades | 13 Nov 2016, 06:50 AM Post #137 |
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It seems to me the US system should be overhauled and modernized, the problem is getting enough to agree on the changes. |
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| Sandy | 13 Nov 2016, 10:16 AM Post #138 |
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Possibly changes will be made if Trumps moaning was anything to go by, I think he only thought things were rigged because he wasn't winning, but who knows he may decide to look at changes there.. |
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| Shades | 13 Nov 2016, 08:43 PM Post #139 |
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Time will tell I guess, looking at the protests at present it looks like people are ready for change. |
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| Sandy | 13 Nov 2016, 10:49 PM Post #140 |
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A pity things are turning violent though, hopefully they'll nip any further violence before it happens.. |
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| Shades | 14 Nov 2016, 07:02 AM Post #141 |
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I reckon the shooting was getting over the top, it's time the police clamped down before there's more deaths or injuries. |
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| Sandy | 14 Nov 2016, 10:06 AM Post #142 |
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It was sad to see that the protests are getting that heated, I hope there is a clamp down soon before there's any more deaths or injuries too.. |
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| Shades | 14 Nov 2016, 09:07 PM Post #143 |
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Yes, it's a bit of a worry seeing the hatred for Trump running that high. |
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| Sandy | 14 Nov 2016, 10:42 PM Post #144 |
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That's what got me wondering if it's time for changes in the electoral system there, that and Clinton getting over 2 million more votes and still losing, that seemed a bit.. strange eh.. |
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| Shades | 15 Nov 2016, 07:01 AM Post #145 |
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Maybe after the protests something might be done, who knows. |
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| Sandy | 15 Nov 2016, 11:20 AM Post #146 |
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We'll see I guess, it'd be a good start if there wasn't any more deaths or injuries... |
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| Shades | 15 Nov 2016, 09:21 PM Post #147 |
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They have both police and the national guard, send them out and get them settling things down I say. |
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| Sandy | 16 Nov 2016, 12:39 AM Post #148 |
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Going by what little I heard on the news earlier that could happen, I just hope no ones seriously injured or worse.. |
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| Shades | 16 Nov 2016, 07:09 AM Post #149 |
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A bit of a worry these protests eh, I still wonder if they all voted or not, if they didn't then how do they get to protest? Their votes could've changed things. |
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| Sandy | 16 Nov 2016, 10:33 AM Post #150 |
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I'm interested to know how long it'll be before they're stopped, there's already been one death and a number of injuries, IMO they should've stepped up and quietened things down by now.. |
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