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2015 GC: G29 Siberiade Vs Japan's Longest Day
Topic Started: Jun 30 2015, 12:04 AM (690 Views)
javierquintero
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SCFZ GENRE CUP 2015
GROUP STAGE - THIRD ROUND


Match 029

GROUP C

On this thread voting will be on


Siberiade (Sibiriada, Soviet Union, 1979) Andrei Konchalovsky
Manager: Rokas
Genre: STRUGGLE IN THE VILLAGE

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Japan’s Longest Day (Nihon no ichiban nagai hi, Japan, 1967) Kihachi Okamoto
Manager: Gylfi
Genre: OH! WHAT A LOVELY WAR


Participants will have seven day to issue their votes. Therefore, this match will end on Monday July 6th at 7:00 pm (GMT -5, Bogotá, Lima *If you are not sure about time please check my local time going to my profile information

After the voting period is over, the votes will be counted and the results published.

Each user can vote on any match as long as s/he has watched both films paired against each other. Please cast your vote using the titles of both films in the following manner:


SIBERIADE– 1 or 0
JAPAN'S LONGEST DAY – 0 or 1


And kindly BOLD your selection, if possible.

Managers are not allowed to vote on matches their own directors participate in, so Rokas — manager for Siberiade and Gylfi– manager for Japan's Longest Day, cannot vote in this match.

During Group Stage, each genre will have three matches. By the end, according to victories, votes for and votes against, those with best scores will pass to second round.

If you have yet to see either film and still don’t have access to them, please send me a pm so I can assist you locating the the films to view.

VOTERS ARE REQUESTED TO POST THEIR THOUGHTS ON THE COMPETING FILMS ALONG WITH THEIR VOTE. THANK YOU.
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SIBERIADE – 1
JAPAN'S LONGEST DAY – 1

A slam dunk, since Siberiade is possibly my favorite discovery of the cup so far. As if Tarkovsky had directed Heimat. An epic in the best sense of the word, with some stunningly beautiful scenes, the hallucinatory episode in the swamp in particular.

Japan's Longest Day might well have been called Japan's Longest Movie, at least it felt like it. To be fair, it did improve towards the end, but it started off on a bad foot, with the first 20 minutes being mostly voiceovers summarizing history I already knew over endless shots of politicians sitting in rooms - telling the history instead of dramatizing it. It was cool seeing Chishu Ryu and Toshiro Mifune facing off, though.
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ahh good to know it gets easier, i started on it yesterday and got discouraged quickly but i'll try again. i've liked several of okamoto's films in the past (most recently the wonderful elegant life of mr everyman) so had rather high hopes. siberiade flew by in contrast, tho i felt it fell off a bit in the last hour. anyways bb (tmrw probs)

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edit: so this was actually quite good once i got into it; sort of a japanese der untergang behind the scenes version of japan's surrender. quite a few fanatical young officers didn't agree and preferred to fight to the death than live in infamy (this even after two atomic bombs were dropped) and the story of their attempted coup is very dramatic. i could well vote for this film if the competition wasn't so strong but the first half of siberiade was some of the most impressive stuff i've ever seen from the former soviet union, with the second half just a bit weaker, esp pt 4. haunting dreamlike stuff. so

SIBERIADE – 1
JAPAN'S LONGEST DAY – 0

btw mesnalty it appears like you voted for both films... :scratch:

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Edited by rischka, Jul 1 2015, 03:13 PM.
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SIBERIADE – 1
JAPAN'S LONGEST DAY – 0
Edited by Brotherdeacon, Jul 2 2015, 07:00 AM.
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japan's longest day – 1

i like siberiade quite a bit, though i feel like it gets bogged down in the second half by the move to politics and away from the natural world. the colors are lovely in the first couple parts, as i recall (it's been a while since i saw it), in a parajanov-like palate. japan's longest day, though, was very compelling, even in the first half hour or so, and it managed the politics (oddly enough, considering my opinion of siberiade) very well. this is a very strong match, even if i fear it won't turn out very close.
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I also preferred the first half of Siberiade, where the different generational strands captured the splintered development of Russia's post-revolution politics, to the second half where it shifted to economic matters (though it finished on a touching note). But there's no denying the beautiful cinematography - as an epic, it's set against a bold and arresting canvas.

Japan's Longest Day did feel like a history lesson at first, but as others have said, it becomes fairly gripping once it settles into a rhythm and the characters are fleshed out beyond mere historical figures; the high-stakes drama with emotions running high is hard not to be swept up in. The film never quite shakes off the feeling of being methodically told, but its storytelling does ensure it has momentum, and for that reason, it gets my vote for being more consistently engaging than its opponent.

SIBERIADE – 0
JAPAN'S LONGEST DAY – 1
Edited by DT., Jul 4 2015, 07:27 AM.
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SIBERIADE 3 - 2
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SIBERIADE – 0
JAPAN'S LONGEST DAY – 1

I wonder if Japan's military sergeant acts authoritarian in caricaturesque fashion for comedic purposes. If that's true, it doesn't feel unfitting considering the film's overall tone.
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^ I suppose Okamoto could've amped up the comedy a bit.
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I thought I voted on this thread days ago. I was wrong.

SIBERIADE – 1
JAPAN'S LONGEST DAY – 0

Loved the first part of Siberiade.
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Siberiade - 1
Japans Longest Day - 0

Mario Gaborovic
Jul 5 2015, 11:49 PM

I wonder
Yeah, he was hard to take at first, a bit Jerry Lewis. Thinking back, it makes sense that they would present the most pro-military/pro-fascist figure as a nut-case, shorthand way of highlighting the idea that Japan no longer holds those values.

It's a little embarrassing for me when I find myself liking a movie like Siberiade as much as I did; they seem to do their work on a somatic level, pure emotional affect, that's immune to analysis. But of course, they acheive that effect by employing the highest levels of craftsmanship... (Colonel Blimp's another one in this category; I'm pondering an L-boxd list called THE FEELS.)

As good as JLD was, I don't think anything can stand up to Siberiade.
Edited by Lencho of the Apes, Jul 6 2015, 05:41 PM.
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VOTING IS CLOSED


I'm sorry again! I had problems arriving home.


FINAL RESULT

SIBERIADE - 5
JAPAN'S LONGEST DAY - 3


Congratulations to Rokas and his STRUGGLE IN THE VILLAGE

Thanks a lot to Gylfi for bringing us Japan's Longest Day as part of OH! WHAT A LOVELY WAR!"
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