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2015 GC: G32 Destiny Vs News From Home
Topic Started: Jul 7 2015, 01:57 AM (1,466 Views)
javierquintero
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SCFZ GENRE CUP 2015
GROUP STAGE - THIRD ROUND


Match 032

GROUP D

On this thread voting will be on


Destiny (Kader, Turkey, 2006) Zeki Demirkubuz
Manager: M_Penalosa
Genre: WOMEN SLUMMING WITH BAD BOYS
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News from Home (France, 1977) Chantal Akerman
Manager: Eliecer
Genre: - Y NO SÉ LO QUE PENSARÁ ELLA, OR THE BECHDEL TEST


Participants will have seven day to issue their votes. Therefore, this match will end on Monday July 13th at 9:00 pm (GMT -5, Bogotá, Lima *If you are not sure about time please check my local time going to my profile information

After the voting period is over, the votes will be counted and the results published.

Each user can vote on any match as long as s/he has watched both films paired against each other. Please cast your vote using the titles of both films in the following manner:


DESTINY – 1 or 0
NEWS FROM HOME – 0 or 1


And kindly BOLD your selection, if possible.

Managers are not allowed to vote on matches their own directors participate in, so M_Penalosa — manager for Destiny and Eliecer– manager for News From Home, cannot vote in this match.

During Group Stage, each genre will have three matches. By the end, according to victories, votes for and votes against, those with best scores will pass to second round.

If you have yet to see either film and still don’t have access to them, please send me a pm so I can assist you locating the the films to view.

VOTERS ARE REQUESTED TO POST THEIR THOUGHTS ON THE COMPETING FILMS ALONG WITH THEIR VOTE. THANK YOU.
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sry jefe and zeki :-/ new cup favorite :cheer: speechless. just perfect

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NEWS FROM HOME – 0


Ackerman's had great atmosphere. Those letters from an absent character to an invisible fish-out-of-water character, recounting the humdrum daily life of faraway family members, juxtaposed with street scenes, gave it an otherwordly feel that I loved, but I have to go with Destiny, because I'll almost always tilt in favour of more conventional narratives.

Ackerman is really hypnotic, though, and I want to explore more of her work. So far, I find her stuff reminiscent of Agnes Varda's, which I've liked a lot. But my sample size from both directors is still too small at this stage for me to be able to confidently say so.


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Akerman is really hit or miss for me - I love La Chambre, Jeanne Dielman and Je Tu Il Elle but I often just can't get on her wavelength, and News from Home is one of those cases. I can appreciate what she's doing here, but it's not for me.

This is my first Zeki, even after all the praise he's gotten around these parts, and I was very glad to be introduced.
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I prefer the concept of News from Home to Destiny which becomes tiring to watch after a point. Maybe I need to give another try to both these films in the future.
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destiny isn't the type of film i usually enjoy. lots of screaming and anger and what not isn't fun for me. but at least it was shot well. i could see lots of directors wanting a more kechiche-like aesthetic for the subject matter. my first zeki was a decent enough experience.
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The sexual tension in Destiny was stifling from the start, with all its masculinity, jealousy, lust and obsession. And in the second half, I found it easy to sympathise with the protagonist's despair, laid bare for all to see but sensitive enough not to lapse into melodrama. The efficiency of the writing and visual storytelling along with the acting made this an emotionally sturdy film.

News from Home presented a very unique sort of travelogue, being authentic in the side of New York it captured and with a thoughtful marriage of image and dialogue evoking diaspora and loss; a simple but surprisingly moving set-up. But I perhaps enjoyed the concept more than the final execution.

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Edited by Brotherdeacon, Jul 11 2015, 08:04 AM.
“Somebody has to do something, and it’s just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. “
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DESTINY 5 - 3
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My only exposure to Chantal Akerman was a viewing of JE TU IL ELLE on grainy VHS in my formative filmwatching years, round the age of 19, when I'd grab anything subtitled I could find. Though I now recall nothing about it other than a round of lesbian wrestling to break the tedium, it was quite instructive, because it was the first time I realized that the so-called Art film has its own set of cliches, very different from but ultimately just as insipid, as the standard Hollywood romance or action movie. And though I haven't seen it, my idea of cinematic agony is sitting through the four-hour film where the Belgian housewife cuts carrots and washes dishes until she kills someone at the end. I'd prefer back-to-back viewings of TITANIC.

NEWS FROM HOME is what I expected it to be - mildly interesting idea for a 30-40 minute student film flogged out to a soporific 90 minutes, the same tone from start to finish. Never did Akerman threaten to do anything unexpected or pulse-quickening. I'm a bright hopeful lad, so I at times watch this sort of thing all the way to the end, waiting and waiting, though I know it shall be in vain, for a second idea to swerve the monotony onto some new path. But Akerman's a resolutely one-idea gal.

On the other hand the most interesting thing about the movie with the two Turkish nullities and their "love" problems was watching the progress of the lead male character's facial hair. I can see how someone who thinks WE WON'T GROW OLD TOGETHER is a masterpiece would like this thing, but I was right bored with every lousy loser in this movie by the half hour mark. I would also question whether this counts as "Women Slumming with Bad Boys," as "slumming" presumes some kind of height.

Both pretty bad movies, though DESTINY wins by a hair. And besides, I'm more interested to see how Women Slumming goes from here than Bechdel Test, a term I was blissfully unaware of until a few months ago and is one of the silliest damn things I've ever heard.

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DESTINY – 1
NEWS FROM HOME – 0

I feel comfortable not to speak to a stranger in a subway, or bother him with the problems of my own (and vice versa). I also feel more comfortable while walking the sidewalk rather than across the motorway. If that makes me an alienating and cold person, I'm ok with that. One should appreciate the experiment, though.
The last third of News from Home was waaaay better than first hour.
Edited by Mario Gaborovic, Jul 12 2015, 12:14 PM.
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wow. never change karl. esp enjoyed this part:

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I would also question whether this counts as "Women Slumming with Bad Boys," as "slumming" presumes some kind of height.


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Jul 12 2015, 09:14 AM
Bechdel Test, a term I was blissfully unaware of until a few months ago and is one of the silliest damn things I've ever heard.
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Bechdel Test isn't intended to be a fully-developed critical apparatus for evaluating movies with, it's possible Karl is misunderstanding the context. More of a rule-of-thumb, snap-judgement way of filtering feminist-content/absence-of-same.
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Karl and Brandon should form a comedy team.
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well it's actually "intended" to be a panel in a graphic novel, but...

i don't think it's at all useful wrt any particular flick. i think it's most useful when used, often in addition to the reverse bechdel, to look at a body of work (of a filmmaker, an industry, a festival, whatever)

"Filmmaker X has made 12 films; none pass the bechdel but all pass the reverse bechdel"
^shit like that matters. shit like that is meaningful. shit like that should be expressed and shared and considered, and the bechdel test allows us to do that
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DESTINY 7 - 4


About 15 hours to go.
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And besides, I'm more interested to see how Women Slumming goes from here than Bechdel Test
As I have never advanced in a Cup before, I only have three films picked.
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Destiny was good; characterization (at least the main guy there) was detailed and subtle, and there were a couple of images that dramatized his miseries really beautifully.

But News From Home was a knockout.
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Do your part. A vote for News From Home is a vote against patriarchy. Let's demolish it.



Edited by Eliecer, Jul 13 2015, 08:12 PM.
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As I have never advanced in a Cup before, I only have three films picked.
I was losing interest in the Cup but the prospect of choosing more films that confuse Karl is enticing.
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Destiny 1

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Jul 13 2015, 01:37 PM
As I have never advanced in a Cup before, I only have three films picked.
I was losing interest in the Cup but the prospect of choosing more films that confuse Karl is enticing.
LET ME TAKE OVER UR GENRE I KNOW ILL BECHDEL MOVIES. SOME OF THEM ARE EVEN BY PPL OTHER THAN ROHMER AND BERGMAN..............
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News From Home reminded me of Jarmusch' Permanent Vacation, especially after the ending shot - which is identical. PV didn't do much for me, but NFH is great.

edit: also found a paragraph about the comparison of both films in a book about Jarmusch: link
Edited by Mauries, Jul 14 2015, 06:50 AM.
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Oh, hell yeah. You're absolutely right, PV ended exactly the same way.

Link's broken.
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interesting, i've never seen that jarmusch


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Two hours and a half to go!
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