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| 2015 GC:G35 Dracula: Pages from a Virgin's Diary Vs The Soldier | |
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| javierquintero | Jul 21 2015, 02:09 AM Post #1 |
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SCFZ GENRE CUP 2015 GROUP STAGE - THIRD ROUND Match 035 GROUP F On this thread voting will be on Dracula: Pages from a Virgin's Diary (Canada, 2002) Guy Maddin Manager: Mesnalty Genre: UNORTHODOX VAMPIRE MOVIES Vs The Soldier (Codename: The Soldier, USA, 1982) James Glickenhaus Manager: Budd Genre: ELECTRIC DREAMS" Participants will have seven day to issue their votes. Therefore, this match will end on Monday July 27th at 9:00 pm (GMT -5, Bogotá, Lima *If you are not sure about time please check my local time going to my profile information After the voting period is over, the votes will be counted and the results published. Each user can vote on any match as long as s/he has watched both films paired against each other. Please cast your vote using the titles of both films in the following manner: DRACULA: PAGES FROM A VIRGIN'S DIARY – 1 or 0 THE SOLDIER – 0 or 1 And kindly BOLD your selection, if possible. Managers are not allowed to vote on matches their own directors participate in, so Mesnalty — manager for Dracula: Pages from a Virgin's Diary and Budd– manager for The Soldier, cannot vote in this match. During Group Stage, each genre will have three matches. By the end, according to victories, votes for and votes against, those with best scores will pass to second round. If you have yet to see either film and still don’t have access to them, please send me a pm so I can assist you locating the the films to view. VOTERS ARE REQUESTED TO POST THEIR THOUGHTS ON THE COMPETING FILMS ALONG WITH THEIR VOTE. THANK YOU. |
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| rischka | Jul 21 2015, 02:20 AM Post #2 |
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nazi trumps fuck off!!
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if there was ever a doubt that kinski would do anything for money![]() i must say i was dreading the soldier but it turned out to be hilarious! however i'm not 100% sure it's a comedy dracula brought a few too many echoes of cuadecuc, vampir but had some lovely images so i'll go with it....![]() DRACULA: PAGES FROM A VIRGIN'S DIARY – 1 THE SOLDIER – 0 oh! also from 1982. thanks the soldier (which featured a kinda cool tangerine dream score too)Edited by rischka, Jul 21 2015, 02:37 AM.
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| brian d | Jul 21 2015, 08:19 AM Post #3 |
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dracula, pages from a virgin's diary – 1 the soldier – 0 enthusiastically, too.
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| Gylfi | Jul 24 2015, 02:24 PM Post #4 |
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DRACULA: PAGES FROM A VIRGIN'S DIARY – 1 THE SOLDIER – 0 The Soldier is a silly 80's action flick, and while I sometimes like films from that genre, this one had too many things going against it. Bad acting, a stupid plot that makes zero sense, lame action scenes...your typical B-movie fun I guess. Thumbs up for the soundtrack though, can't go wrong with that 80's vibe! Also, did anyone else play "Spot the Pedo" while watching the film? I counted two, Kinski and Jeffrey Jones, but I'm sure I missed some...or maybe I was just bored... Like Rischka mentioned, Dracula: Pages From a Virgin's Diary had some lovely images and mixing ballet with the tale of Dracula was clever, but I must admit that I started to lose interest after a while. Still, definitely a better film than The Soldier! I need to check out more from Maddin, only seen this and My Winnipeg. After all, the guy is Icelandic by ancestry
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| john ryan | Jul 24 2015, 02:34 PM Post #5 |
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DRACULA: PAGES FROM A VIRGIN'S DIARY – 1 THE SOLDIER – 0 More action movies should have the hero blindly fire a machine gun while rotating in the air. |
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| brian d | Jul 24 2015, 03:57 PM Post #6 |
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gylfi– check out maddin's tales from the gimli hospital. i went to grad school with someone from iceland who said there are all kinds of icelandic references that most other people would miss, but that they're very funny. plus it's only an hour long. |
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| Gylfi | Jul 24 2015, 05:57 PM Post #7 |
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Thanks Brian, Tales From the Gimli Hospital sounds intriguing, I will be sure to check it out! |
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| DT. | Jul 25 2015, 10:22 AM Post #8 |
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Dracula succeeds in transposing the ballet to cinema, but the grace of the performance felt lost under Maddin's cluttered montage. As much as I usually enjoy his splashes of visual dynamism, I had trouble clinging onto either medium showcased here, finding it neither here nor there. To paraphrase Shakespeare, a whole lot of sound and fury signifying nothing (at least for me). The bombast of The Soldier is made all the more tedious by its grandiose gestures, even though it has a strange, lurid energy that almost makes the violence operatic. But it's still ridiculous, and by no means good. By default: DRACULA: PAGES FROM A VIRGIN'S DIARY – 1 THE SOLDIER – 0 |
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| Mario Gaborovic | Jul 25 2015, 11:28 AM Post #9 |
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As I don't have access to the blog, can somebody be kind and upload The Soldier to SMZ? I also want to see Exit for same reason. |
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| rischka | Jul 26 2015, 09:13 PM Post #10 |
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looks like a rout for dracula mario you simply must see the soldier |
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| wba | Jul 26 2015, 09:17 PM Post #11 |
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The Merciless
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I have a strong feeling that if I watched those two films in time, I'd end up voting for the Glickenhaus (though I generally love Maddin). Maybe I should try it.. Edited by wba, Jul 26 2015, 09:17 PM.
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| Mario Gaborovic | Jul 26 2015, 09:45 PM Post #12 |
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Love the angles, but what's more is that this is another reason for making my "It's so 80s" list at Letterboxd... I'll ask for recs from you guys regarding films that glorify the decade & use its imagery to significant extent Here's a Yugo-contribution to this kind of music legacy:
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| tuggingonmoustaches | Jul 27 2015, 12:13 AM Post #13 |
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| The New Janitor | Jul 27 2015, 09:53 PM Post #14 |
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DRACULA: PAGES FROM A VIRGIN'S DIARY – 0 THE SOLDIER – 1 I can't believe I'm the only one voting this way. It's a very easy decision too! I don't have much time for Maddin; this film hasn't changed much. Far too much nostalgia and reverence for silent films. He thinks he's doing something interesting with silent cinema, but he's not at all. Throwing some ballet in there isn't enough for me. I'd love to see a genuine silent film renaissance because there's no good reason why it was ever abandoned in the first place. But no effort to bring it back has succeeded in any way. The Soldier is a perfectly good, OTT cold war thriller. No money, no surprises, but wonderful nonetheless. I was won over before the first scene was over. Come on people, 4 more votes to pull it back - there's time! |
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| wba | Jul 27 2015, 11:41 PM Post #15 |
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Sorry mate, I watched THE SOLDIER yesterday, and also ejoyed it very much. I thought it was a wonderfully shot, edited and directed dystopian nightmare, a film that didn't feel very much typical 80s to me (as in: typical 80s action movie), but reminded me more of a surreal dream (in the Wizard of Oz or Powell/Pressburger mould). I mean, there's hardly any dialogue in it for the first 30 minutes (kinda like Kubrick's 2001, I must say, as you're only seeing people and vehicles in motion in desolate land- and cityscapes where no one else besides the actors can be spotted), and its politics are extremely weird (at least that was my impression). It was not what I expected and I was very much surprised. And Glickenhaus seems like an excellent director (need to check out more of his films). But I also love Maddin, and I doubt that his Vampire film would necessarily appeal less to me. So as I don't really have the time at the moment (and I might end up voting for Maddin anyway) I guess I'll watch it another time. PS: I'd also love to see some geunine silent film renaissance take place (Maddin is of course doing something else), but it seems that nowadays a narrative film without a soundtrack is unfathomable. People just won't sit still in their seats, watching in silence, unless it's some experimental stuff. So I guess the best we can hope for is something like THE ARTIST every now and then (or a film like Kaurismäki's JUHA), which has little to say about silent cinema, but is imo a wonderful hommage to the first years of the sound era (from 1926 onwards). PPS: Thanks Javier for that wonderful uncut HD upload of The Soldier! I have had the film lying around on DVD for ages, but the German version is edited (for violence) and the picture quality is mediocre at best, and when I last tried to find something else a few years ago, I didn't have any luck.
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| Lencho of the Apes | Jul 27 2015, 11:44 PM Post #16 |
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| javierquintero | Jul 28 2015, 02:18 AM Post #17 |
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VOTING IS CLOSED FINAL RESULT DRACULA: PAGES FROM A VIRGIN'S DIARY – 6 THE SOLDIER – 1 The winner is the genre UNORTHODOX VAMPIRE MOVIES managed by Mesnalty Thanks a lot to Budd for bringing us The Soldier as part of ELECTRIC DREAMS |
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| The New Janitor | Jul 28 2015, 05:12 PM Post #18 |
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The lack of expository dialogue at the start was great in The Soldier. Maybe it could have made a better silent film than the Dracula one! I suppose it was politically weird, or just all over the place. Plenty of talk about destroying Israeli settlements and kicking Israel off the West Bank as well. I'd never even heard of Glickenhaus before so I need to see more of his films too. Seems to have a relatively small body of work.In terms for the forthcoming silent film renaissance (we can hope), I think it would have to be silent cinema for the 21st century. I don't think I'd be interested in seeing more films either set in the 1920s or directly recreating the look of a 1920s silent film. The Artist was good as a love letter to that time, but I'd love to see a new silent film movement go further than that. The possibilities are surely endless! The chances of my wishes being fulfilled are slim at best though, you're right. But I haven't even seen Juha yet, so I'll have to see that soon. |
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dracula brought a few too many echoes of cuadecuc, vampir but had some lovely images so i'll go with it....
(which featured a kinda cool tangerine dream score too)



I suppose it was politically weird, or just all over the place. Plenty of talk about destroying Israeli settlements and kicking Israel off the West Bank as well. I'd never even heard of Glickenhaus before so I need to see more of his films too. Seems to have a relatively small body of work.
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