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| 2015 GC:G38 R4 Ghashiram Kotwal Vs Cross of Love | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 11 2015, 02:01 AM (941 Views) | |
| javierquintero | Aug 11 2015, 02:01 AM Post #1 |
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Gifts must affect the receiver to the point of shock. - Walter Benjamin
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SCFZ GENRE CUP 2015 SINGLE ELIMINATION - FOURTH ROUND Match 038 On this thread voting will be on B1 Vs A2 Ghashiram kotwal (India, 1976) K. Hariharan, Mani Kaul, Saeed Akhtar Mirza, Kamal Swaroop Manager: Tuggingonmustaches Genre: MATRIBHUMI’S MALAISE Vs Cross of Love (Rakkauden Risti, Finland, 1946) Teuvo Tulio Manager: Brian Davisson Genre: I WANNA MARRY A LIGHTHOUSE KEEPER Participants will have seven days to issue their votes. Therefore, this match will end on Monday August 17th at 9:00 pm (GMT -5, Bogotá, Lima *If you are not sure about time please check my local time going to my profile information After the voting period is over, the votes will be counted and the results published. Each user can vote on any match as long as s/he has watched both films paired against each other. Please cast your vote using the titles of both films in the following manner: GHASHIRAM KOTWAL – 1 or 0 CROSS OF LOVE – 0 or 1 And kindly BOLD your selection, if possible. Managers are not allowed to vote on matches their own directors participate in, so Tuggingonmustaches — manager for Ghashiram kotwal and Brian Davisson– manager for Cross of Love , cannot vote in this match. REMEMBER: This is a single-elimination round, so only winners will pass to next round. In case of ties the winners would be defined by previous history of "total votes" (votes-for minus votes-against), so we will always have into account the number of votes from previous rounds. If you have yet to see either film and still don’t have access to them, please send me a pm so I can assist you locating the the films to view. VOTERS ARE REQUESTED TO POST THEIR THOUGHTS ON THE COMPETING FILMS ALONG WITH THEIR VOTE. THANK YOU. Edited by javierquintero, Aug 11 2015, 02:02 AM.
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| rischka | Aug 11 2015, 02:07 AM Post #2 |
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nazi trumps fuck off!!
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GHASHIRAM KOTWAL – 0 CROSS OF LOVE – 1 i'll vote for the master of the mad melodrama ![]() you're right brian, definitely one of tulio's best. Edited by rischka, Aug 11 2015, 02:12 AM.
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| DT. | Aug 13 2015, 04:29 AM Post #3 |
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Let them eat Prozac
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Both films were stylistically interesting - Ghashiram Kotwal was performed like a theatre piece, while Cross of Love was told like a silent film. But I found myself somewhat detached from the former, whereas the latter felt more lyrical and passionate. GHASHIRAM KOTWAL – 0 CROSS OF LOVE – 1 |
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| javierquintero | Aug 13 2015, 02:32 PM Post #4 |
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I enjoyed Cross of Love, but I have to admit that I prefer The Way You Wanted Me, which I consider a bit more intense. On the other hand, Ghashiram Kotwal as an adaptation of the theatrical play, encouraged me to wonder about its specific politics of representation and adaptation. Embodied in a theatrical play that suddenly comes out of a theater, we are witnesses of a ritual that is counciously aware of the film medium and its possibility to resist the passing of time by making itself available in every moment. This, of course, is also applied to all films, but in this case, as a representation of history, and also by extension,- remembering the previously mentioned "counciousness" on film or theater devices-, of the way history is written or told. Given the universality of the topic on social hierarchies and struggle for social power, this work should be more known and discussed across the world and suddenly Pune and the Kotwal would become multiple other cities, towns, leaders, public men or women. GHASHIRAM KOTWAL – 1 CROSS OF LOVE – 0 Edited by javierquintero, Aug 13 2015, 02:51 PM.
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| Deleted User | Aug 14 2015, 12:30 AM Post #5 |
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GHASHIRAM KOTWAL – 1 CROSS OF LOVE – 0 |
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| mesnalty | Aug 14 2015, 03:25 AM Post #6 |
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g legs' flame
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GHASHIRAM KOTWAL – 0 CROSS OF LOVE – 1 Even though I'm decently familiar with Maratha history, I was still pretty lost during some of Ghashiram Kotwal, and I think the story behind its making ended up being more interesting than the movie itself. I'm not normally the type for melodrama, but Tulio does it with flair. |
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| Mario Gaborovic | Aug 14 2015, 06:57 PM Post #7 |
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g legs' wife's lover
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| XxXApathy420XxX | Aug 14 2015, 09:35 PM Post #8 |
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The Least Reputable Cinephile
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| Brotherdeacon | Aug 15 2015, 08:24 AM Post #9 |
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It conjures willy-nilly
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GHASHIRAM KOTWAL – 1 CROSS OF LOVE – 0 Edited by Brotherdeacon, Aug 15 2015, 08:24 AM.
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| jiricine_nvkino | Aug 15 2015, 12:39 PM Post #10 |
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xoxoxoxox
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| Gylfi | Aug 16 2015, 07:17 PM Post #11 |
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g legs' no. 1 fan
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| tuggingonmoustaches | Aug 16 2015, 11:27 PM Post #12 |
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g legs' sweetheart
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TIED 5 - 5 |
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| Lencho of the Apes | Aug 17 2015, 04:36 AM Post #13 |
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Let's go do some crimes
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GHASHIRAM KOTWAL – 0 CROSS OF LOVE – 1 With the Brecht-school distancing and the other experimental-theatre tactics that came into play... on top of my lack of familiarity with early-colonial indian history... I didn't derive much pleasure from Ghashiram Kotwal. Purely cerebral... On the other hand, Rakkaudan Risti wanted to bypass rational thought entirely and do nothing but sentiment and "feels". Magnificent looking, but the narrative was so silly... If I have to choose between the two for their respective visual appeals, RR takes the laurel... both were nice to look at, but RR's tonal palette and imagery were more seductive to me. |
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| Karl | Aug 17 2015, 02:24 PM Post #14 |
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troubadour
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I disliked both these movies. Not intensely, mind. Got to the end of both: wished I'd spent the hour and a half nobler, yeah, yeah. The Indian movie was awfully nice to look at but there was a question mark dangling over my head the whole time. I could follow the Finnish movie, but the filmmaking verged on Ed Wood at times and the melodrama was dimestore all the way. Had its moments of trashy splendor, I guess you could say, but Pushkin it ain't. Anyway, can't in all good conscience vote for either. Best of luck to the duelers. |
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| javierquintero | Aug 18 2015, 02:12 AM Post #15 |
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VOTING IS CLOSED FINAL RESULT GHASHIRAM KOTWAL - 5 CROSS OF LOVE – 6 Congratulations to the genre I WANNA MARRY A LIGHTHOUSE KEEPER managed by Brian Davisson And thanks a lot to Tuggingonmustaches for bringing us Ghashiram kotwal as part of MATRIBHUMI’S MALAISE |
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| Holymanm | Aug 18 2015, 02:32 AM Post #16 |
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moats n groats
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oops forgot the 17th was coming! i watched the indian one. i liked the look and the mood but didn't understand anything that was going on and do not feel very fondly about having watched it. maybe i'd have disliked the finnish one more though. |
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| brian d | Aug 18 2015, 03:08 AM Post #17 |
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for what it's worth, i might have ended up voting for ghashiram kotwal this round if i could have. it took me two watches to really have a good idea what was going on (i watched it a bit ago, so didn't have the benefit of rohit's introduction), so it might be worth giving another shot to for anyone who left confused. but it's mani kaul (at least in part), so it's automatically wonderful. i'd be happy to check out what else was on tap for matribhumi's malaise, if rohit is willing to share.
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| rischka | Aug 18 2015, 03:15 AM Post #18 |
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nazi trumps fuck off!!
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me too please!
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| tuggingonmoustaches | Aug 18 2015, 12:41 PM Post #19 |
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g legs' sweetheart
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Congrats Brian. As I mentioned in the intro for Matribhumi's malaise: 7 films 7 stories each touching upon the malaise that's afflicting the country of my birth. Each film features a protagonist representing the different classes that comprise a society and their struggles to come to terms with the restrictions and perceptions of that society. These characters include: a King/Warrior, a Priest, a Child, a Man, a Woman, a Peasant and a Prostitute. I covered the Child, Priest, Man and King in the four films I showed. The remaining films would have been: Woman: Umbartha (1982) or Threshold dir. Jabbar Patel Prostitute: Teesri Kasam (1967) or The Third Promise dir. Basu Bhattacharya Peasant: Anhey Ghodey Da Daan (2011) or Alms for a Blind Horse, dir. Gurvinder Singh I have been unable to watch films as my parents are staying with me for a month. I hope I can get back to watching all the films I missed by second week of September. Good luck to all the participants. I will be around keeping scores till then. |
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| javierquintero | Aug 18 2015, 04:07 PM Post #20 |
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Thanks Rohit for sharing with us your choices for other possible rounds. I enjoyed a lot the four films you managed and right now I'm taking note of these three to watch them in the future. The struggle of classes and castes is a powerful topic with several variations around the globe. Personally I have felt so identified as a member of a particular society through the different forms of oppression inside the conflicts shown in your films. |
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| Brotherdeacon | Aug 18 2015, 08:51 PM Post #21 |
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Yes, Thanks Rohit for the films you offered in this genre cup. GHASHIRAM KOTWAL was a surprise and forced me to read a little Maratha history of the Peshwa era in order to understand some of the goings-on, but in the end it was a unique and experimental cinematic expression of history, caste, power, and intrigue which won me over. The varied forms of imagery, costumes, dialogue, theatrical acting, sets, locations and music which the film offered were heady yet compelling. Being introduced to this '70's film collective's work is a rare treat. Your prior choices were equally a film lover's treat, especially Samskara and 27 Down. Thanks again. |
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i'd be happy to check out what else was on tap for matribhumi's malaise, if rohit is willing to share.

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