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Serbia vs. Mexico
Topic Started: Jul 30 2017, 08:07 PM (1,418 Views)
bure420
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Serbia: Strangler vs Strangler (Slobodan Šijan, 1984) [horror]

Mexico: Time to Die (Arturo Ripstein, 1966) [western]

Vote for either xSerbia or xMexico (italicization unnecessary).

The deadline for voting is 12:00 AM CST on Sunday, August 13.

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Final score: Mexico 6, Serbia 3.
Edited by bure420, Aug 13 2017, 03:26 PM.
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wow a Ripstein, stranglers*, CJ (Clarence Michael James Stanislaus) Dennis & Doreen <heart> <heart> <heart> and an unsentimental character study of young dudes abroad lookin to be contenders, (shit I lurve), what more could you want

gonna be great

:cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

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Edited by meg, Jul 30 2017, 11:57 PM.
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Mario Gaborovic
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Except the strangler(s) who're fictitious, all the criminals and bushpeekers in the opening sequence were real, and one of them even got his own film (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0810089/).
Edited by Mario Gaborovic, Aug 2 2017, 05:22 PM.
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Mario, I really liked Strangler. Great opening montage, pretty hilarious ironic voice-over throughout.
The seedy punk rock backdrop is right up my alley. It captures an aspect of the city quite well.
The villain is a mix of a fat Norman Bates and a goofy, hapless frankenstein. Fun, smart horror-comedy.
I approve.
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kanafani
Aug 2 2017, 07:37 PM
Mario, I really liked Strangler. Great opening montage, pretty hilarious ironic voice-over throughout.
The seedy punk rock backdrop is right up my alley. It captures an aspect of the city quite well.
The villain is a mix of a fat Norman Bates and a goofy, hapless frankenstein. Fun, smart horror-comedy.
I approve.
And he also likes to stuff himself with cream pies between those chokings. :laugh:

Wandering all night, instead of learning the whole gospel by heart. :laugh:
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xMexico, though the Serbian film was good for a great deal of laughs. Great matchup. Time to Die tells a simple story but in a compelling, humanistic way.
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I liked the Mexican western as well, though it occasionally felt a little stiff. At times it sagged under the weight of its ambitious themes. xSerbia, then.
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i enjoyed both of these
I will talk breathlessly about Spanish and Portuguese cinema, João César Monteiro, Ritwik Ghatak, and Jacques Rivette, and hardly ever about anything else.
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SVS:

didn't do much for me... too morbid in subject matter to be funny, too goofy B movie to be scary or compelling. and i love 80s music but that part of it did nothing for me. this was mostly just an unpleasant 90 minutes of a one-note joke where the joke is violence against women...

the actress was really cute though, certainly no one is denying that!

TDM:

not bad but i basically agree with kanafi's assessment up there... it was a little bit belaboured and perhaps even repetitive. like it's doing the exact same thing at the 30 minute mark as at the 20 minute mark as at the 10 minute mark... etc. but not bad! mainly of note: the "villain" had such a friggin awesome voice. like a badass robotic evil dictator. una voz que puede cortar a traves de acero!

xMexico
Edited by Holymanm, Aug 8 2017, 01:21 AM.
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xMexico

Edited by meg, Aug 11 2017, 10:13 PM.
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“Somebody has to do something, and it’s just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. “
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I enjoy a good misogynistic black comedy as much as the next person, but after this and TAIWAN CANASTA I can see that Mr. Gaborović and I have very different ideas of what's funny.

A TIME TO DIE on the other hand is an outstanding film. No contest:

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Aug 9 2017, 04:00 AM
I can see that Mr. Gaborović and I have very different ideas of what's funny.
It may appear silly but once you realize everything's a parody of serial killer flick conventions, it seems funnier than you first thought.
Anyway, if you value Psycho/M as films inferior than most other 'normal' dramas, that explains it.

PS: Never ever are fans of this film exclusively male adolescents, nor do we love it because of tits/blood. Grotesque of it all is the deal.
Edited by Mario Gaborovic, Aug 9 2017, 06:32 AM.
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it had lots of elements, not least of which a tongue in cheek critique of what we expect and accept as part of a human made metropolis. Not a particularly misogynistic film to my mind, not in tone, women getting killed doesn't necessary equate to m word, why not prism of "men behaving badly" as was part of the piss take here. modern enlightened female even given a voice of protest (paraphrase: we don't close our eyes you moron) etc. Liked it and made me laugh.

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I find it kinda offensive that among such a wonderful stuff like creampie-eating, opera-going serial killer, crossdressing, pedal pumping, grotesque bathing scene & mom's scolds, punk rock tune, prologue with cartoonish real life villains and inspector on the verge of sanity tangled up in a triple twist scenario, Karl thinks that the director used cheap tricks as tits & blood to please the audience. :(
Furthermore, turn off the volume and forget it's comedy, and you'd realize that the makers know genre; its looks, night passages, psychology of a tormented person... without taking a serious approach, the humorous upgrade would seem inappropriate.
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Aug 9 2017, 10:48 PM
such a wonderful stuff like creampie-eating, opera-going serial killer, crossdressing, pedal pumping, grotesque bathing scene & mom's scolds, punk rock tune, prologue with cartoonish real life villains and inspector on the verge of sanity tangled up in a triple twist scenario
...all pointedly beneath the beneficent gaze of Jesus, Sacred Heart Christianity's dreamed up symbol of boundless compassion for us poor sods no matter what shit we get up to (incidentally derived from the saintly behaviours of Margaret Mary Alacoque after whom I am named :D )

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The crossdressing scene with the female agents was borrowed from the real case that took place in 1982, noted in the prologue: the man who shot women dressed in fur coats, turned out to be a family man and a father of one who hated his mistress and tried to hook up with other women, but he was refused each time; so he decided to revenge and follow random ladies and shot at their backs, wounded them severely (with no fatalities, though). Since Belgrade police didn't have enough female inspectors at the time, some of them dressed like women and catched the culprit at his fourth attempt to harm.

As for others: The Liftman (the 1981 case) never raped any woman, but he forced to oral sex more than 300 women; he managed to trick the police because he kept changing location of his misdeeds, entering the elevators in just about every corner of the city. He was caught by a (real) female agent and he turned out to be a student from a well-off, conformist background and he was looking for a thrill for a change.

The Belgrade Phantom was a well-known "car borrower" who, for ten days in 1979, teased police at the Slavija square, while Tito was in Cuba. He got three years in prison, and died in a car accident only 10 days after he got out. Back then, those car thieves did it for a thrill as well, none of them was into selling as carjacking business didn't exist, unlike from 1990s onwards.

Belgrade actually DID have serial killers, but none of them was a strangler exclusively, albeit the most notorius one, Miodrag Trifunović http://www.opanak.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/aerijski-ubica.jpg, combined several types like rape, strangling and robbery all at once. This Jack Ripper-obsessed psychopath who even wrote poetry had 14 recorded murders in 1948, but he also confessed he had killed up to 45 other people while he was lying in mental hospital during the WW2, in order to steal their ratios of food; those murders never interested anyone, as there was war raging outside.
Edited by Mario Gaborovic, Aug 11 2017, 05:24 PM.
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Forcing oral sex is rape. If somebody forced *you* to suck his dick would you feel violated, or would you have to get it up the bum to feel that way?
Edited by Lencho of the Apes, Aug 11 2017, 05:36 PM.
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Lencho of the Apes
Aug 11 2017, 05:32 PM
Forcing oral sex is rape. If somebody forced *you* to suck his dick would you feel violated, or would you have to get it up the bum to feel that way?
I meant 'rape' in literal sense. Vaginal penetration, if you like.
Edited by Mario Gaborovic, Aug 11 2017, 05:44 PM.
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round these parts forcing someone to partake in oral sex is rape. literally, figuratively, however you want it. legally too
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I meant 'rape' in literal sense.


So did I.
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That's pretty callous Mario to reference the real life suffering/actual cases in a film of this nature. That lift scene was the most disturbing few seconds in the whole thing (for me), very borderline, but I tried to put it aside and enter into the spirit of the film. I keep getting more info after the vote in this contest that shifts inner terrain of feeling.

(In Australia that would be called aggravated indecent assault, not rape)
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Aug 11 2017, 09:05 PM
That's pretty callous Mario to reference the real life suffering/actual cases in a film of this nature.
I didn't feel much callousness because I remembered other crimes that came after which were so gruesome they're even hard to tell about. Knowing that, I felt relaxed to speak so casually about it.
Nowadays these 70s/80s culprits seem benign and even funny in a way. :scratch:
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Aug 11 2017, 09:26 PM
even funny in a way. :scratch:
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...but it was made in 1984 (I am applying "callous" to director, not you)

Anyway though I'll seem as fickle as the finger of fate I have to change my vote now to Rischka's western as I am upset
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meg, too bad that you think the director was callous. :( Mr Šijan is a gentle and kind man who'd never approve crime ever.
His claimed the intent was to "play with the stuff he liked in another people's movies".
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Aug 11 2017, 10:59 PM
to "play with the stuff he liked in another people's movies".
that's fine I get that but to use real crime (300 victims of that guy you say? all still walking the streets of Belgrade I suppose when this was made) wasn't really kind huh
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I'm still confused over Karl's implication way above that the violence/sex in Strangler vs. Strangler is there solely to satiate audience desires. My choice for the US for the genre round is a very different film but perhaps equally as extroverted in its intent and I think we as a willing audience have to be willing to comprehend that Mario... chose a horror film.... and hence its engagement w/those horror tropes is an essential part of how we read the film (and esp. choose to vote!!)... I haven't watched the road movie yet, but I really really like Strangler vs. Strangler in its rejection of classical ideals - four images on screen at once? Smoke infecting the streets? Children's cartoons playing for the elderly in times of political / emotional turmoil? A restaging of sorts of the opening of Carpenter's Halloween? What is there not to like?
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I mean, maybe it is there to satiate audience desires. But so are jokes in a comedy, and explosions in an action film, and aimless wandering in a road movie, and sexuality in a porno, and facts in a documentary, and....
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Strangler vs. Strangler was clearly satirical, being more playful and over-the-top than even the premise suggested.

Time to Die was as gritty and rustic as I like my Westerns, and had an interesting moral centre too. All in all, a good start to the genre round.
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