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Netherlands vs. USA
Topic Started: Aug 13 2017, 03:43 PM (1,923 Views)
bure420
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Netherlands: The Way South (Johan van der Keuken, 1981) [documentary]

USA: The Mangler (Tobe Hooper, 1995) [horror]

Vote for either xNetherlands or xUSA (italicization unnecessary).

The deadline for voting is 12:00 AM CST on Sunday, August 27.

If you need the link or password for the blog, please let me know.

Final score: Netherlands 6, USA 3.
Edited by bure420, Aug 27 2017, 07:41 AM.
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lol the mangler. yay i haven't seen any of these
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I might be another 12hrs off uploading The Mangler, so bear with me!!

A brief note on the film: was really tossing up between this film and literally anything else, because this seems so widely misunderstood (and it certainly isn't 'tasteful' in any sense of the word) but ended up sticking to my guns as I know - and have never doubted - that The Mangler is, quite simply, one of the greatest films ever made. I assume most of us are familiar with Texas Chain Saw Massacre, but this is something even grander: Hooper making a career long metastatement on his post-Poltergeist struggles, a post-Vietnam statement on the Cold War, a pre-eminent film about the era of information as commerce. And it has the skin of a baroque industrial horror film, and one that constantly reveals itself as fake, at that! Robert Englund's performance grates on the nerves of many a viewer who watch with classical values in mind, but he belongs so entirely to the universe of The Mangler -- in many ways, the DNA it shares with Eisenstein's Strike is more important than the DNA it shares with any other horror film. Enjoy! :)
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The Way South was Netherland's entry in the first ICM world cup back in 2015. It was rather unsuccessful. :(
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Aug 13 2017, 07:53 PM
It was rather unsuccessful. :(
Time for revenge! :)

But seriously: I really think the people on this forum will like the film.
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Makes me more interested to see the results, considering the other film didn't go down well here last time and The Mangler is fairly widely - and wrongly - maligned!
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Aug 16 2017, 05:22 AM
Makes me more interested to see the results, considering the other film didn't go down well here last time and The Mangler is fairly widely - and wrongly - maligned!
it wasn't here, and went up against two films at the time'

I think it will do better here...
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Props to Josiah for standing up for The Mangler, but I'm not convinced it's some sort of unheralded masterpiece (though I do think it's better than the critics say). Gotta go with the xNetherlands - it was a bit saggy at times but I admire the project a lot.
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mesnalty - if you get another 90mins this week, check out Larry Fessenden's "Wendigo" -- that would have been my quote unquote 'tasteful' pick for the genre round (i.e. a flick I think may have been more palatable for this site) but ended up opting to stick to my guns! No worries if you don't get the chance, but would be massively interested to hear what you think :)
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Nah, I'm also glad you're not "catering" to the taste, and kudos to sticking with the more "risky" selections.

We are an eclectic bunch here, but nevertheless there are certain kinds of filmmaking that are much more appreciated on SCFZ than others. I also tried to stick to my (comparably) rather eclectic preferences when I participated in the cup once, and though I lost by some margin, and my films were sometimes disliked, it was an interesting and educational experience. Movie watching can always be about experiencing something new and widening one's horizons, cause no matter how open-minded we think we are, and how vast our movie interests are, there are always more things we (would) dislike in the world of cinema than things we can relate to (if we leave our comfort zones, that is).
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Yeah, that's the great thing about these cups! I will check out Wendigo at some point though.
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I'm still glad I saw 'Perfect' in that cup :toast:
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Aug 18 2017, 01:58 PM
I'm still glad I saw 'Perfect' in that cup :toast:
Thanks! :D
I thought it was a risky choice for SCFZ (but it would still make my Top 100 best films I've ever seen list) :sly:
Edited by wba, Aug 18 2017, 02:12 PM.
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don't most* Tobe Hooper auteurists consider The Mangler one of his best films?

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* well, maybe not "most" — "a fair number" lets say… (?)
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I'd say most Hooper auteurists still consider Texas Chain Saw his best. I know that Redfern (ex-famous LBoxd user), Mike Thorn (film twitter elite) and myself all believe The Mangler is quite roundly Hooper's best. I imagine plenty of people like Poltergeist the most; and I'm aware there's a lot of love for Mortuary, Eaten Alive!, Spontaneous Combustion as well.

I myself think he has about four films all of equal quality in the top tier of his work - they are (chronologically) Eggshells, The Texas Chain Saw Massacre, The Mangler and of course his 2004 remake of Toolbox Murders.
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I watched the Mangler a while ago, and did not watch it again for this match. It was OK, sort of a mix of formal/thematic ambition and gleeful campy goofiness. I didn't feel it was entirely successful. I was often bored.

I enjoyed The Way South. It's a decent, meandering leftist travelogue. My favorite bits were the interviews with the Moroccan immigrant in Paris, and the extended Cairo section. Call me biased. xNetherlands
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Unfortunately I didn't love The Mangler, even though I was ready to forgive its flaws beforehand. Alas, it feels like a mediocre Vincent Price film set in the 1990s. (why so many villains have their eyes gouged out, should I fear of it??)

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the way south is the better film here, and tobe hooper is a terrible director from the three of his that i've seen. that said, i didn't really enjoy either one too much. i respect what the mangler is trying to do, at least in terms of its more obvious critiques, but it really goes off the rails and just can't stay interesting. and essay films really aren't my thing, so the way south didn't keep me very engaged either. i don't think i'd rewatch either one, but i appreciate the guts of showing the hooper film, so xusa it is.
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Posted ImageDe weg naar het zuiden - Posted ImageThe Mangler: 5-1

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I get that The Way South was meant to be a sort of scattershot essay film, but beyond a few individual scenes, that type of narrative didn't really work for me.

I loved the thick atmosphere of The Mangler, and how committed Ted Levine was to his role. It started off really dumb, but there turned out to be some real craftsmanship behind it.
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Ted Levine's utter nonchalance in The Mangler is one of my favorite things (imagine how easy it would have been for /any/ of those actors to play as satire).... he is also, maybe not so coincidentally, the only thing I like about Silence of the Lambs (and I like most Demme films!)
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josiahmorgan11
Aug 24 2017, 05:50 AM
Ted Levine's utter nonchalance in The Mangler is one of my favorite things (imagine how easy it would have been for /any/ of those actors to play as satire).... he is also, maybe not so coincidentally, the only thing I like about Silence of the Lambs (and I like most Demme films!)
Ted Levine was phenomenal in Silence of the Lambs! Need to see more of his performances!


PS: http://w11.zetaboards.com/The_Auteurs/single/?p=10013491&t=10465722 ^_^
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i might get to some more Demme then rwatch it! I feel like maybe being more familiar with his work could help? I like Stop Making Sense, JT + The Tennessee Kids and Philadelphia.
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Maybe. I myself am completely unfamiliar with Demme's work. The only other film of his I've seen is RAchel Getting Married some years ago (and I really didn't get the point of that one - e.g. what Demme was doing at all). So this week's rewatch of Silence of the Lambs actually seemed like my first encounter with Jonathan Demme, the director. I'm really keen to explore more of his work. (I always had him filed in the back of my porose head as some journeyman director, from whom I had seen a few films and there didn't seem to be much going on there. Well, after watching some 10.000 films, one can get kinda mixed-up sometimes, and confuse past experiences with current value judgments, which might have nothing at all to do with who you are now, and how you process art, compared to your past from decades ago. Time and memory are strange things indeed... I'm just watching a Kon ichikawa film about the past and such right now, so I may be drifting off a bit. :scratch: ).
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Always always always dig reading yr posts specifically, wba
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Thanks. :shifty: ^_^
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xnetherlands -- agree it's kind of scattershot but the essay/leftist road film is more interesting to me. the mangler wasn't all bad though. i liked the weird gothic look

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