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SCFZ Movie Club - preliminary discussion
Topic Started: Dec 12 2017, 10:01 PM (3,036 Views)
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DISCUSS!!!
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My submission:

Peace (Kazuhiro Soda, 2010)
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I know Josiah's seen Michael Snow's Rameau's Nephew, anyone else seen it? If there aren't too many, I'll submit that.
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You've turned this into everything I tried to design a game to avoid. I won't be playing. Cheers.
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well what changes would you make? there aren't really any rules besides "pick a movie, watch 75% of other people's picks"
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First, I think it was bad form for you to take control and start administrating the idea that I had suggested. "It looks like Lencho's idea has the popular support; let's move forward now and let him put it in motion" would have been appropriate.

Second, I would not have wanted to see any "sign up" activity that would require people to think about the movies they'd offer months ahead of the time when their turn comes around. My version of "the rules" would have looked something like this:

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The names of the people taking turns to submit movies will be listed in alphabetical order, each person offering a movie in the order that their names come up on the list. At any later time, if any new person wants to join the list of curating players, their name will be added to the list and they'll supply their first movie when their name comes around.

(Create schedule template)

For optimal results, please post your movie and your link a day or two before the beginning of the week designated for watching/discussing it.
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Do you want to organize it? I certainly didn't mean to take your idea. I was actually trying not to be presumptuous, thinking that I didn't want to presume you were offering to organize. But, if you want to, just let me know what forum sections/sub-sections/descriptions you want and I can make them.

Or if you don't want to organize it, I don't mind organizing it, and the group can decide on stuff like when movies will have to be submitted.

But, I certainly won't oppose going in alphabetical order :D
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First, I think it was bad form for you to take control and start administrating the idea that I had suggested.
:D This reminds me of the time Jerry said to Rich Uncle Skeleton "you came along and stole Uli's idea so fuck off"

Lencho I know you don't want rules and complications but if you leave it vague/casual you'll probably get a vague/casual roll out which usually peters out to nobody doing nothing much of anything :'( so just flagging that as likely, from my experience

a framework tends to give people a sense of commitment, and a reminder to stay connected

I thought bure's ideas were good ones, but hear also they are anathema to you

hopefully a balance can be struck to suit all of the people, most of the time :clap:
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Dec 13 2017, 12:01 AM
:D This reminds me of the time Jerry said to Rich Uncle Skeleton "you came along and stole Uli's idea so fuck off"



OMG RUS! i'd completely forgotten him. he only watched films from the 30s or something?

and something about monocles :scratch:
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:D This reminds me of the time Jerry said to Rich Uncle Skeleton "you came along and stole Uli's idea so fuck off"

OMG RUS! i'd completely forgotten him. he only watched films from the 30s or something?

and something about monocles :scratch:
He was a pretty big presence of mubi for quite a while, represented Malle I think in a cup I remember his intro to God's Country. he ran some stuff too, Jerry will remember

Remember the I'm Fancy thread? We all posted what made us fancy, that was his, then late in the piece he had some kind of breakdown and became abusive and stuff :kick: he was banned, he came back as Scrotum Pole

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Dec 12 2017, 11:10 PM
First, I think it was bad form for you to take control and start administrating the idea that I had suggested. "It looks like Lencho's idea has the popular support; let's move forward now and let him put it in motion" would have been appropriate.

Second, I would not have wanted to see any "sign up" activity that would require people to think about the movies they'd offer months ahead of the time when their turn comes around. My version of "the rules" would have looked something like this:

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The names of the people taking turns to submit movies will be listed in alphabetical order, each person offering a movie in the order that their names come up on the list. At any later time, if any new person wants to join the list of curating players, their name will be added to the list and they'll supply their first movie when their name comes around.

(Create schedule template)

For optimal results, please post your movie and your link a day or two before the beginning of the week designated for watching/discussing it.
I totally second that. <heart>

The less "rules", the better.

Let Lencho "take over". After all, it was his idea/proposition.


EDIT: Yeah RUS. Only thing I remember: he seemed a tad eccentric (but who didn't? :D )
Edited by wba, Dec 14 2017, 01:06 AM.
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Meg -- if it peters out, it'll peter out. Nothing lost except X amount of time that people could have used pursuing a more structured Cup (or whatever). Worst-case scenario: you lose a year of Cup activity to a failed experiment.

Bure -- there's no need for any new structure, new pages or anything. We can use this space you created today, or we can subsume this activity into the existing page that holds all the other polls and ongoing game/projects. The one thing I will ask is that you change the name of this thread to "Movie Club: preliminary discussion" and (if this is going to be a multi-page discussion) edit your OP to remove the guidelines you set. When the time comes to begin play, that will call for a new thread setting out the rules in their final form, and I'll take care of that.

Now... moving forward with the actual organization thereof and thereunto:

1) Does everyone agree that one week per movie is the right amount of time? If not, we need to discuss that.

2) I guess we're ready to start formulating a line-up. If you're interested in being a content-provider, announce yourself and I'll start keeping a list. Chimpketeer Roll Call.

3) DO YOU WANT the game to include a scoring feature, where people rank the movies watched and curators accrue points toward an eventual Glorious Triumph Leader Of Posting Movies That More People Liked Better status and ego-boo? Or do you not want to bother? Discuss.

4) If there are any other contingencies or details I haven't addressed that people think need to be brought forward, discuss those.
Edited by Lencho of the Apes, Dec 13 2017, 02:21 AM.
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Dec 13 2017, 02:20 AM
Bure -- there's no need for any new structure, new pages or anything. We can use this space you created today, or we can subsume this activity into the existing page that holds all the other polls and ongoing game/projects. The one thing I will ask is that you change the name of this thread to "Movie Club: preliminary discussion" and (if this is going to be a multi-page discussion) edit your OP to remove the guidelines you set. When the time comes to begin play, that will call for a new thread setting out the rules in their final form, and I'll take care of that.
Sounds good.
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Dec 13 2017, 02:20 AM
1) Does everyone agree that one week per movie is the right amount of time? If not, we need to discuss that.

2) I guess we're ready to start formulating a line-up. If you're interested in being a content-provider, announce yourself and I'll start keeping a list. Chimpketeer Roll Call.

3) DO YOU WANT the game to include a scoring feature, where people rank the movies watched and curators accrue points toward an eventual Glorious Triumph Leader Of Posting Movies That More People Liked Better status and ego-boo? Or do you not want to bother? Discuss.

4) If there are any other contingencies or details I haven't addressed that people think need to be brought forward, discuss those.
1) it's only half the speed of the cup. I think people can handle it
2) I'll show Peace (kazurhiro soda 2010)
3) I don't really want to bother unless it's designed to incentive watching. But I'd rather we just did an honour system and didn't incentivize watching
4) what % should people commit to watching? I think 75% is fair
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Dec 13 2017, 02:20 AM

1) Does everyone agree that one week per movie is the right amount of time? If not, we need to discuss that.

2) I guess we're ready to start formulating a line-up. If you're interested in being a content-provider, announce yourself and I'll start keeping a list. Chimpketeer Roll Call.

3) DO YOU WANT the game to include a scoring feature, where people rank the movies watched and curators accrue points toward an eventual Glorious Triumph Leader Of Posting Movies That More People Liked Better status and ego-boo? Or do you not want to bother? Discuss.

4) If there are any other contingencies or details I haven't addressed that people think need to be brought forward, discuss those.
1) yup - and the good thing about it not being super rigid and organised is that it's not a big deal if people catch up on the movie a tiny bit later on

2) yup!

3) nope! It's good if people are honest and say if they liked or disliked the movie, and discussion is well and good - but making it a coooompetition doesn't really add anything

4) just my preferences... but generally it would be good to avoid 5-hour movies, sequels, adaptations of books I want to read first, multimedia art projects that aren't actually movies, difficult to find movies that are only available in an awful rip (and will probably be more widely available in a few years so just watch it then), experimental movies, or 6-hour movies. But of course it's personal preference :)

And one movie per week is so little that it really shouldn't be necessary to enact a "must watch X amount of the movies to be able to pick one" rule - just don't be a bastard, watch other people's movies
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Movie Club curators:

Bure
Erika Jayne
Flabrezu
Holymanm
Javier Quintero
Kanafani
Lencho
Mario Gaborovic
Sacmersault
Umbugbene
WBA
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1) Does everyone agree that one week per movie is the right amount of time? If not, we need to discuss that.

2) I guess we're ready to start formulating a line-up. If you're interested in being a content-provider, announce yourself and I'll start keeping a list. Chimpketeer Roll Call.

3) DO YOU WANT the game to include a scoring feature, where people rank the movies watched and curators accrue points toward an eventual Glorious Triumph Leader Of Posting Movies That More People Liked Better status and ego-boo? Or do you not want to bother? Discuss.

4) If there are any other contingencies or details I haven't addressed that people think need to be brought forward, discuss those.
1) Three votes for one week per movie.

2)

3) two votes and a soft vote for NO. (I'm inclined toward no, but if I see a lot of people liking the idea, I'll stand down to make the majority happy.)

4a) I don't see any need to set a quota either. Watch the movie or don't watch the movie, who GAF? Two votes for that, one vote for setting a quota.

4b) restrictions or guidelines on what kind of movies to offer? Five-hour epics is problematic, I agree. I'd be inclined not to ban them, but curators should realize that if they post something demanding like that, fewer people are going to invest in watching it. Rare movies in terrible rips is another thing that will turn people off, but for myself as a curator, I definitely want the freedom to use a movie like that if I think it's special enough that people "need" to see it, even in degraded condition. Again, curators should realize that's a thing that will turn some people off their submissions. I'll concede that it might be worthwhile to demand that the films provided be linguistically-friendly to english speakers, since that's the one language that everyone here is able to understand without subtitles.

Further discussion is welcome.
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1) Does everyone agree that one week per movie is the right amount of time? If not, we need to discuss that.

2) I guess we're ready to start formulating a line-up. If you're interested in being a content-provider, announce yourself and I'll start keeping a list. Chimpketeer Roll Call.

3) DO YOU WANT the game to include a scoring feature, where people rank the movies watched and curators accrue points toward an eventual Glorious Triumph Leader Of Posting Movies That More People Liked Better status and ego-boo? Or do you not want to bother? Discuss.

4) If there are any other contingencies or details I haven't addressed that people think need to be brought forward, discuss those.



1) I'm more in favor of one film per 10 to 12 days.
Anyways, I think we should be flexible. We could try one week at the beginning, and if there's still discussion going on after that, extend it.
So maybe we should say: AT LEAST one week. If we're still in the midst of watching and discussing and everything is fine, I'd extend it automatically a day, two days, a week, whatever.
So no rigid structure, no "discussion stops tomorrow", no "now to the next film". Just go with the flow. Some films might get a lot of discussion. Some very little.
It also depends on the number of participants, of course.

2) I'm in. But I will definitely pick a film I haven't seen myself. I'm not interested in "introducing" films to others that much (e.g. the cup thing).

3) I'm completely against rating or scoring or any "official" value judgment or competition. It's not sports, but talking about art. I'm sure we will all express our like or dislike, our reservations and such ANYWAY. So what's the use in encouraging that line of thought even further!? i see no use in it and generally dislike ratings. I mean I'm ok with ratings if that's all there is, but once there is a text or a review or something as articulate as a discussion, ratings become completely obsolete, in my opinion. It's like rating the discussion. We're not in school.
SO a big "god, no!" from me. If I could, I'd rid the movie world of ratings altogether. :fpfpfth:

4a) No quota: As Lencho wrote "Watch the movie or don't watch the movie, who GAF?" It's about having fun and being open, not some form of curriculum.
Even if you pick a film, you don't have to do anything, cause you've already done something: you picked a film. I dislike any mesiah-like "you have to watch this", "listen to my great argument", etc., etc. Everyone has an opinion, that's a given, and everyone has the right to articulate it anyway.

4b)no restrictions or guidelines of what kinds of movies. Everybody has different standards. If some guys want to watch a 20 hour epic so be it. If another one picks a one minute short why not. And if the quality is terrible, so what? Everybody is able to decide for herself, if it's worth the effort. If nothing much happens participation-wise in one round, we still have the next. It's not an indictment of the film, and it's not like the one who picked a film has to apologize because no one was interested in that partiular choice. IT'S NOTHING PERSONAL.

5) My suggestion would be to totally focus on the "fun" part of it - and by that I don't mean only nice movies, or merely a polite and formal discussion, but an open-minded joyful interest to watch something and talk about it as a community. Like going into this thing with the best of intentions and see what happens. Kinda like a jam, where musicians gather and are inspired in playing together. I would also like to view and experience this as a relaxing game, rather than a stern and earnest one. Leaning back and letting the discussion transform our view of the film. Multiple viewpoints leading to something new, rather than the limited ideas we would have about the movie on our own.
Edited by wba, Dec 14 2017, 08:37 AM.
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1) I like WBA's idea about keeping the schedule flexible and granting to each movie the amount of discussion time that it inspires. Maybe set a minimum of seven days, in order to prevent people feeling like they have to rush from one movie to the next one. If we do it this way, I'll have to tweak the scheduling process a little, but I see the optimal way to do that already.

Two votes for one week, two votes for open-ended schedule.
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One week seems a tad too short. Maybe people can announce they intend to watch at the start of the week? Then we can run it longer (say up to two weeks) if people have not watched it yet.

90% of the current cup responses are just the one-line xvote. Will participants actually express themselves and say what they thought of the damn movie? You people are so bashful. I'm including myself in this self-criticism.

I'm fine with not scoring.

I've always wanted to be a curator. Lencho, sign me up!
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^ and i should clarify that all of my "4." discussion was just personal opinion; not at all suggestions for, like, rules! that'd be too much. and lencho is right; if we're doing a new one every week or so, it's not a problem if a movie is not to eeeveryone's liking. even if it's an experimental movie that looks at how the living room carpet of a suburban family changes over time, reflecting the changes in our lives and bewildering our expectation of conventional narrative cinema, by showing footage of the carpet and nothing else for 2 hours. that's fine too!

and yeah i like kanafani's point, we can have a week as like the base minimum and if people say they need a few more days, give it a few more days, maybe two weeks at the max. no hay prisa
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Dec 13 2017, 02:47 PM
how the living room carpet of a suburban family changes over time
This sounds like Oxhide II, a movie that inspired heated debate sometime in the early days of SCFZ.
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Ha! Still have this on my drive somewhere (along with the first part), as of yet unwatched.
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Oxhide is one of my favorite 2017 discoveries. Oxhide 2 is almost as good.
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Dec 13 2017, 04:12 PM
Oxhide 2 is almost as good.
lamp's performance really makes the film :sh:

i'm good with this casualosity. not as articulate as some of you but i'll try :P
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excited about the Movie Club as a different activity to a Cup which actually does become a bit soulless with as Kanafani says little discussion. Often people seem so flat by the end of it there is barely a celebratory cheer afforded the winner :barmy:

Is this Movie Club similar to the mubi hall of fame thing which was going well for a while then mubi's death rattles pealed forth so it was abandoned

just as a re-cap, what exactly is expected of a curator of films?
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what exactly is expected of a curator of films?
A curator will periodically* provide a link to a movie s/he wants to share. A curator might also take an active role in the discussion that we hope will take place after people have watched the film.

*If there are 8 curators in the loop, that is approximately equal to one movie per curator every two months or more.
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rhobh is bout to come back on so i'll be erika again here shortly which should bump me up in front of all y'all suckahs *cept stupid curtis

i mighta missed it on my read thru but did we decide on how we're going to determine if a pick has been seen by too many super champs?
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Using letterboxd seems like the handiest metric, but we haven't given it any concrete thought. Discuss?
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