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| Euridice BA 2037 - Movie Club 2018 | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 15 2018, 03:34 AM (595 Views) | |
| josiahmorgan11 | Feb 15 2018, 03:34 AM Post #1 |
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g legs' sweetheart
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For a brief period, this was my favorite film of all time. Nikolaidis is pretty fluent in the avant-garde and surrealist traditions and naturally this one is tied to the traditional Orpheus-Eurydice myth. I'd rather leave less said about this one in order for you guys to experience it as blindly as possible, but hopefully it provokes all sorts of thought.... I'm not entirely convinced the "2037" conceit works but the rest of the film is overwhelmingly bold and uninhibited. |
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| Joks Deux | Feb 15 2018, 09:01 PM Post #2 |
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g legs' soul mate
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Thx for reminding me that I need to rewatch. Has been on the list for a while (yes I actually have lists). |
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| Lencho of the Apes | Feb 15 2018, 09:47 PM Post #3 |
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Let's go do some crimes
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Refugee hell... mental iillness hell... Is it inside or outside? Or both? I guess it comes from Freud, that conception of mental illness as a feedback loop that starts excising lived experience from the picture in favor of obsessive ideation and self-sustaining fantasies, and it's probably fallen out of favor as a medical model... but that understanding of what mental illness is gets a compelling dramatization here; I'd say this was psychologically deeper than Repulsion. And that clinical model matches up really well with the Orpheus/Eurydice myth, with Orphy's role here being one of breaking through the enveloping layers of bubblewrap and provoking her to engage directly with real experience again. One person on letterboxd singled out the doll-babies scene for ridicule -- one could argue that that scene was intrinsically misconceived or that it was designed to push the viewers' buttons in a way that might be uncomfortable. Is anybody interested in parsing that out? Edited by Lencho of the Apes, Feb 16 2018, 10:54 AM.
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| kanafani | Feb 15 2018, 10:14 PM Post #4 |
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I quite liked this movie. I suppose there are allegorical elements tied to the military junta period, though I know next to nothing about that, so it mostly went over my head. The Jeanne Dielman/Repulsion/Kafkaesque bureaucratic hell mix kept me engaged. The doll-babies... Yes, interesting scene. Psychological mambo jumbo? Behavior caused by prolonged isolation and sexual frustration? Gratuitous button pushing? All of the above? Who knows? |
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| kanafani | Feb 15 2018, 10:14 PM Post #5 |
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Lencho, have we moved on to this movie? Is it time for me to a. pick a movie b. Upload it somewhere? |
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| Mario Gaborovic | Feb 15 2018, 10:40 PM Post #6 |
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g legs' wife's lover
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The communists used to win across the whole Eastern Europe area but in Greece, where right-wing junta seized the power in 1949 I believe. It was very similar to any dictatorship of the kind and the time (Spain, Portugal). |
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| Lencho of the Apes | Feb 15 2018, 10:59 PM Post #7 |
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It's about time, Kanafani, but I have the feeling not many people have watched Euridice yet; I'd hold off two or three days. |
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| josiahmorgan11 | Feb 16 2018, 10:04 AM Post #8 |
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g legs' sweetheart
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Yeah, lencho, I really dislike Repulsion, I find it tedious and kind of callous in its treatment. |
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| josiahmorgan11 | Feb 16 2018, 10:06 AM Post #9 |
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g legs' sweetheart
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Also, the baby scene: I've always viewed this more in a pure emotive sense than anything else but I do think it's the first time that our protag directly engages with the idea of an external being/s (yes, even this despite the opening w/the window & people outside it) - the key here being "engagement" with the idea of another person. |
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| Lencho of the Apes | Feb 17 2018, 04:30 PM Post #10 |
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Gee whillikers, where is everybody? |
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| mesnalty | Feb 17 2018, 04:52 PM Post #11 |
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g legs' flame
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I'm a big fan of this movie. I watched it at some point within the last couple of years and haven't rewatched it for the club, so I only have vague thoughts on it now. But I really appreciate how it inverts the Orpheus myth to expand on what happens to Eurydice before Orpheus comes back for her, and I really liked the surrealist imagery (even the doll scene). Have people here seen Nikolaidis' other movies? How do they compare to this one? |
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| Joks Deux | Feb 18 2018, 07:06 AM Post #12 |
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g legs' soul mate
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^^I've seen 5 of his films and they were all quite different from each other stylistically (Euridice, Singapore Sling, The Zero Years, Morning Patrol and Sweet Bunch) although a few of them have a surrealist bent. I can't speak on the thematic connections between all of those films. I enjoyed all of them except for The Zero Years which I thought was terrible in every respect and a bad note to go out on. He had a reputation as a kind of punk rock film maker in Greece and he appealed greatly to older Gen X's, who tend to prefer his work to Angelopoulos style film makers who they find overly mannered. As far as I'm aware he was never more than a cult figure in Greece, which makes sense because he didn't make commercial films. Even ones that operate loosely in commercial genres like Morning Patrol (i.e post-apocalyptic sci-fi) still didn't connect with audiences. I'd say Morning Patrol, Singapore Sling and Sweet Bunch are worth seeing. Edited by Joks Deux, Feb 18 2018, 07:42 AM.
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| kanafani | Feb 18 2018, 05:32 PM Post #13 |
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You know, I must confess, I probably would have found the movie a tad boring had the protagonist not been a very attractive, often semi-nude young lady.
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| josiahmorgan11 | Feb 18 2018, 06:50 PM Post #14 |
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is the zero years his 2005 film? I saw whatever the last one he made before he died was, and it was absolutely nuts, there's no distinct throughline to it and its pretty aimless but, as always, he's technically accomplished..... singapore sling is a fantastic film, absolutely worth seeking out even if you DIDN'T like this one. it's like a dirty and more exploitative robbe-grillet.. |
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| Joks Deux | Feb 19 2018, 05:42 AM Post #15 |
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Yes Zero Years was 2005. |
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| Brotherdeacon | Feb 19 2018, 11:12 PM Post #16 |
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It conjures willy-nilly
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Director of Photography Giorgos Panousopoulos and on screen Euridice (Vera Tschechowa) are having an unabashed love affair within the glass optics of emotion's camera, both unaware of any other being, real or mythical as they revel in sordid mimicry. Their intimacy is a black and white personal transference from the heights to the deep basement of feverish recreation. Director Nikos Nikolaidis' curious and unique storytelling is utterly confrontational while at the same time being opaque and non-rational: formal yet feral cinema. |
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