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Oscar - Character Flaws?
Topic Started: Jan 2 2008, 11:57 PM (5,154 Views)
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I am SOOO there with you.... Brad Pitt is nice looking - absolutely...BUt I would pick Oscar over him in a heartbeat. Brad is pretty, but lacking in substance. Oscar is devastating... That smile of his is sooo sexy... I also agree, he's not dull - he's REAL... No one is like Steve...No one can be right all the time and know so much about everything... And I agree, Lee seems much older than Brad. Men dressed different back then. Poor Oscar coudn't get away with wearing a pair of shorts and a polo around town in his position - the man was destined to wear a suit or turtleneck by virtue of his position.

I think he'd stand by you all the way, where as Brad and Steve would stick around as long as it was convenient or suited them....
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Sep 5 2008, 02:08 PM
I think the biggest flaw I found with Oscar was that he was just plain dull.

No. it's not Oscar that's dull it's Steve. Steve is so 'what you see is what you get'. From the moment you see him you know there's nothing else to find out and I find that very boring. Oscar though is a real mystery and that I find fascinating. Each little bit extra we discover about him is a treat. He's quiet, complex and deep and reveals his innermost self only to those who are closest. With those few who do become close he is extremely loyal, supportive and protective. Besides that he's smart, handsome, has a great sense of humor and a wonderful smile , considerate, fair, open-minded and can summon all of the armed forces with one phone call! What more can you ask for?

I certainly was attracted to him in my 20s. Sure Brad Pitt (and others like him) are nice but I'd pick Oscar in a second.
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Sep 6 2008, 08:23 AM
I certainly was attracted to him in my 20s. Sure Brad Pitt (and others like him) are nice but I'd pick Oscar in a second.

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"So you see, my friends, it is just a matter of opinion, it is between you and me, whether I am real or not, is for you to decide, each of you in your own mind and heart. (Guy Williams aka El Zorro)
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Why is it whenever I say anything negative about Oscar, you all attack Steve? I didn't even mention Steve in my "Oscar is dull" post.
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I don't really see it as "attacking" Steve, but rather contrasting the two. I suppose we could have chosen to contrast him against another male on the show, but Steve seems the obvious choice. Besides, poor Brad Pitt didn't come out too well either :)


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Well that's true, Tigerlily, but we know your particular tastes, and the inference is always there - Oscar is "certainly not the the kind of guy to interest most woman in her twenties" ...unlike Steve. You couldn't honestly say you don't have Steve in mind when you say that could you?

You put a lot of effort into negating Oscar as a potential partner for Jaime because you believe Steve is her correct partner. It's not like we don't get where you're coming from.

I would really like it if we could all quit this little contest. If everyone can just accept that we see things differently and we stop trying to talk each other out of our views, it would be a lot nicer.
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Tigerlily
Sep 6 2008, 02:21 PM
Why is it whenever I say anything negative about Oscar, you all attack Steve? I didn't even mention Steve in my "Oscar is dull" post.

Sorry but I was just replying that while you see Oscar as dull, I see Steve as dull. I guess it's down to personal opinion and I was trying to show that other people can see things differently. I was only responding to your comment. There are many of us who think Oscar is anything but boring just as you think the same of Steve.
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Sep 6 2008, 02:35 PM
Well that's true, Tigerlily, but we know your particular tastes, and the inference is always there - Oscar is "certainly not the the kind of guy to interest most woman in her twenties" ...unlike Steve. You couldn't honestly say you don't have Steve in mind when you say that could you?

You put a lot of effort into negating Oscar as a potential partner for Jaime because you believe Steve is her correct partner. It's not like we don't get where you're coming from.

I would really like it if we could all quit this little contest. If everyone can just accept that we see things differently and we stop trying to talk each other out of our views, it would be a lot nicer.

To tell you the truth, my not sharing the same views as all of you regarding Oscar doesn't have anything to do with Steve. Oscar, in my opinion made up such a small part of the bionic universe, I never gave the guy much thought anyhow...let alone as a love interest for Jaime. It has nothing to do with being a S/J fan. You gals go on and on about Oscar/Richard and all this love you see between him and Jaime, and you don't see me butting in and saying "Oh, you are only saying that because you don't like Steve." I believe you say those things because you genuinely feel them. Please show me the same courtesy when I say things like Oscar is dull or that I never saw anything romantic between him and Jaime...I'm saying it because that's how I genuinely feel, not because I'm a S/J fan trying to stick it to you O/J fans.

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True...I do like ice cream...I'm sorry if I've upset any Steve fans with my comments. I didn't think I was disparaging Steve, but rather as I said earlier, contrasting him with the way I see Oscar. That's why I love fanfiction - everyone can write their story the way they want to...

Tigerlily, I did leave you a really juicy ending like in LBL #16 for Steve - as a peace offering if you add another post, I'll jump back in, but I'm the last actual STORY post...

I love this forum - Oscar and Steve fans... I guess sometimes we just get too 'lively' :)
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Sep 6 2008, 04:19 PM

To tell you the truth, my not sharing the same views as all of you regarding Oscar doesn't have anything to do with Steve. Oscar, in my opinion made up such a small part of the bionic universe, I never gave the guy much thought anyhow...let alone as a love interest for Jaime. It has nothing to do with being a S/J fan. You gals go on and on about Oscar/Richard and all this love you see between him and Jaime, and you don't see me butting in and saying "Oh, you are only saying that because you don't like Steve." I believe you say those things because you genuinely feel them. Please show me the same courtesy when I say things like Oscar is dull or that I never saw anything romantic between him and Jaime...I'm saying it because that's how I genuinely feel, not because I'm a S/J fan trying to stick it to you O/J fans.


I don't think you are just trying to stick it to us - but I think the idea of Oscar and Jaime upsets your bionic universe, just as Steve and Jaime upset mine. If it didn't bother you so much, you wouldn't have to keep arguing the point.

For quite a while now I have put a lot of effort into not going into Steve and Jaime threads and saying negative things, so that you can carry about them all you want without my being a turd about it. In fact I even started a pretty decent LBL for S/J shippers, and everyone carried it on with perfect goodwill. You ONLY say negative things about Oscar, and whether you mean to stick it to O/J shippers or not, that's what you're doing. I'm not sure I'd call that courteous. Sure, in a thread about Oscar's flaws - maybe that's legit, but in recent memory you've had at 'er in several other threads too.

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Sep 6 2008, 04:42 PM
For quite a while now Tiger, I have put a lot of effort into not going into Steve and Jaime threads and saying negative things, so that you can carry about them all you want without my being a turd about it. In fact I even started a pretty decent LBL for S/J shippers. You ONLY say negative things about Oscar, and whether you mean to stick it to O/J shippers or not, that's what you're doing. I'm not sure I'd call that courteous. Sure, in a thread about Oscar's flaws, maybe that's legit, but you've had at 'er in several other threads too.

I've known for a long time how you feel about the idea of Oscar and Jaime.

Quite true, Messyhead. Tigerlily, you might feel we are not being courteous to you but you have to know by making such a comment you are going to get a response. I get the feeling you make your comments with that intention. I respect that that is how you geniunely feel but at the same time I have genuine feelings that I don't express here. I really don't want to upset people who are here for enjoyment. I don't go into the Steve or Steve and Jaime threads because I know I probably won't have anything positive to add or it just doesn't interest me. If Oscar was so little a part of your bionic universe why even add to that thread? How do you know he is dull if you never paid him much attention? Actually though I can't understand your comment that he made up such a small part. He wasn't a guest star. Oscar appeared in every episode except for one or two. That I would say is a pretty big part.
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Sep 6 2008, 04:42 PM
I don't think you are just trying to stick it to us - but I think the idea of Oscar and Jaime upsets your bionic universe, just as Steve and Jaime upset mine. If it didn't bother you so much, you wouldn't have to keep arguing the point.

For quite a while now I have put a lot of effort into not going into Steve and Jaime threads and saying negative things, so that you can carry about them all you want without my being a turd about it. In fact I even started a pretty decent LBL for S/J shippers, and everyone carried it on with perfect goodwill. You ONLY say negative things about Oscar, and whether you mean to stick it to O/J shippers or not, that's what you're doing. I'm not sure I'd call that courteous. Sure, in a thread about Oscar's flaws - maybe that's legit, but in recent memory you've had at 'er in several other threads too.

I wasn't trying to argue any point, messyhead. I said that I thought Oscar was dull in a thread about his flaws and you Oscar fans were the ones who turned it into an Oscar vs Steve thing. As far as having at 'er in other threads as you mentioned, what have I said so bad about Oscar? Yes, I've talked about not seeing him as a romantic interest for Jaime, but that's not saying anything bad about him as a person. You have downed Steve on numerous occasions around here MH, and I haven't got combative with you about it.
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Sep 6 2008, 05:09 PM
Quite true, Messyhead.  Tigerlily, you might feel we are not being courteous to you but you have to know by making such a comment you are going to get a response. I get the feeling you make your comments with that intention.  I respect that that is how you geniunely feel but at the same time I have genuine feelings that I don't express here. I really don't want to upset people who are here for enjoyment.  I don't go into the Steve or Steve and Jaime threads because I know I probably won't have anything positive to add or it just doesn't interest me.  If Oscar was so little a part of your bionic universe why even add to that thread? How do you know he is dull if you never paid him much attention?  Actually though I can't understand your comment that he made up such a small part.  He wasn't a guest star. Oscar appeared in every episode except for one or two.  That I would say is a pretty big part.

Of course, I expected to get a response to calling Oscar dull Lola. I just didn't see why Steve was brought in to it. You say you have genuine feelings that you don't express here, but you don't seem to have a problem expressing critizicim for Steve. So why attack me for being critical of Oscar (which I don't really think I am anyway) when your critical of Steve.

"How do you know he is dull if you never paid him much attention."

Well, actually I said that I never gave him much thought. Maybe if I hadn't found him so dull, I would have given him more thought.

"Oscar appeared in every episode except for one or two."

Not that it's any big deal, but there were more like 6 episodes that Oscar wasn't in. There was also a couple that he was in, but he and Jaime didn't have any contact. While Oscar was in most episodes, most of his appearances were brief. So in my opinion, he did only make up a small part of the bionic universe. He certainly wasn't the reason why I watched. I became a fan of Lindsay's after seeing her on TSMDM and have followed her career ever since. I watched TBW for her as I'm sure most people did.

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Sep 6 2008, 08:11 PM
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Sep 6 2008, 04:42 PM
I don't think you are just trying to stick it to us - but I think the idea of Oscar and Jaime upsets your bionic universe, just as Steve and Jaime upset mine. If it didn't bother you so much, you wouldn't have to keep arguing the point.

For quite a while now  I have put a lot of effort into not going into Steve and Jaime threads and saying negative things, so that you can carry about them all you want without my being a turd about it. In fact I even started a pretty decent LBL for S/J shippers, and everyone carried it on with perfect goodwill. You ONLY say negative things about Oscar, and whether you mean to stick it to O/J shippers or not, that's what you're doing. I'm not sure I'd call that courteous. Sure, in a thread about Oscar's flaws - maybe that's legit, but in recent memory you've had at 'er in several other threads too.

I wasn't trying to argue any point, messyhead. I said that I thought Oscar was dull in a thread about his flaws and you Oscar fans were the ones who turned it into an Oscar vs Steve thing. As far as having at 'er in other threads as you mentioned, what have I said so bad about Oscar? Yes, I've talked about not seeing him as a romantic interest for Jaime, but that's not saying anything bad about him as a person. You have downed Steve on numerous occasions around here MH, and I haven't got combative with you about it.

I think if you look back, you'll find that you fire the opening shot and then you get a whole bunch of responses that may or may not drag Steve into it.

It's not that you say bad things about Oscar particularly, but rather it's those remarks (about once a month or so - I can practically set my watch to it) about the concept of Oscar and Jaime - that we Oscar/Jaime fans were more interested in Richard than in Jaime and Oscar, that Richard and Lindsay had no more chemistry than anyone else in the series, that Oscar would make a better match with Jaime's mother, that she couldn't have been interested in Oscar because she "flaunts other men in his face" that they can't be that close because we only see them talking about business, basically a whole bunch of little negations piled up on each other...and I'm sure there are others, but I can't remember them and I don't have the inclination to look. In fact, it's been a theme the whole time I've been on this board. Maybe you don't see it, but I can't believe you didn't think you would ruffle feathers if you said these things. And you know full well that you DID ruffle feathers every time!

You have given every indication that an Oscar/Jaime relationship bothers you - you won't deny that, will you?

I think if you look hard you'll find the last sassy remark I made about Steve was a long time ago. Maybe you haven't noticed - and if I do say something negative, it's in response to some challenge from you, regarding Oscar's defects, or O/J fans general misguidedness regarding the subject.

However, despite this sticky point, I hope you know that I still think you are an incredibly valuable member of this forum and I'm really glad you're around, because you're an important person here!!!
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