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Too "Out There" to Write!; not my better ideas....
Topic Started: Mar 16 2008, 12:35 PM (1,217 Views)
Tigerlily
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Actually, RA is about 5 months older than Barbara Rush who played Ann/Chris. I think they would have made a nice looking couple. BR still looks great for being in her early 80's.
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Where did you see a current pic of Barbara Rush?
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Barbara had a recurring role on 7th Heaven and last appeared on that show in 2007. If you Google images under her name, you'll see a pic of her from 2005 on the 1st page (top row last pic). That's the most recent pic I could find.
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Anybody have any other ideas that they think might be just too wild to actually write? ('Cause you never know...once I made Jaime walk a tightrope, after all....)
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You know, maybe there's no such thing as "too out there to write" considering that the series had Bigfoot, aliens, people who are made bionic as favors to friends, secret agents who were really famous astronauts and tennis stars, the improbable death and resurrection of Jaime Sommers, and no back problems for those bionic people who were always doing heavy lifting without taking care to use proper form...amongst other things...

How could we top that?
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Okay, what if there isn't a scenario (like alien, Bigfoot etc) that isn't too out there...but what about the character's behavior.... Is there something that would be "Too out there"??????
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Well if you wrote something that went so entirely against the character, that would probably classify as 'too out there'.

For instance I always have a problem when Chris Williams is made evil. (Sorry Beth - I know you've done that quite successfully and that you can't stand the guy.) I just don't see him being really really bad - dull maybe, or too judgmental, stuff that's within the range of regular lousy human behavior, but evil is over the top. Marchetti, despite my defense of him, is someone that could be turned evil, partly because of his weird chilly manner.

As for the main characters, if you exaggerate their character flaws, that seems legit to me. But of course Jaime doesn't have any real character flaws, so that's a problem!
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I feel the same way about Chris and Michael. Chris seems more like a teddy bear, and I don't see him as maniacal. I guess being a genius is only a step away from being an evil genius - and the Vega Influence doesn't help Michael in his weirdness...

Certainly I think none of the main characters could be evil - or criminals or anything like that.... But how far can you go in stretching their character traits? We always have them act the same for the most part - none of the stories give ANY of them flaws, except that maybe Oscar is a work-a-holic. What stumbling blocks might they have?
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I'd go back to my notion that Oscar can be painfully dense. How many times does he say, "Jaime, you're imagining it." Drives me crazy! That and the workaholism seem to be his main problems.

Rudy showed some weird behavior in the Bionic Dog - I don't quite know how I'd classify it, except for "gets nasty under pressure".

Steve's achilles' heel is his womanizing, though it's not played that way. By modern standards of male behavior, it doesn't look so good.

Callahan can be mistrustful.

Jaime...hmmm.....self righteous?
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So how would people feel if there was a story where Oscar is dense (we've seen lot's of those), Jaime is self-righteous (I think I;ve seen a few), Rudy is short tempered and a bit callous when it comes to experiments, and Steve is a involved in some serious womanizing. I have yet to see one where Rudy or Steve are portrayed in anything but a positive light. Sure, they aren't IN all of them, but they NEVER have anything 'negative' about their character.

Why is that? Is there a reason they are sacred cows?


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It's awfully hard to pick on Rudy.

I've cast Steve in a not-entirely-positive light. Not flat out negative, but less than perfect.

So would you pick on all of them in one story? Wouldn't that be an interesting read! Probably a little hard to take...
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No, no...I wouldn't pick on all of them at once. I'm not even saying they should be picked on. I was just wondering why we see Oscar portrayed with flaws, and even slightly Jaime, but never Rudy and rarely Steve.

How do you get drama and tension if everyone is too perfect? I was just wondering what other people saw as "Too Out There" when it came to the characters, and wondered if bringing up any character faults in Steve or Rudy were out of bounds.
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I know what you mean. It's hard to think of an interesting idea when the characters are too perfect. If you create a situation where they do have flaws then it seems too out of character and you have to find a way to explain it.

I don't think Steve or Rudy are out of bounds. For me I am more involved and care more for the characters of Oscar and Jaime so I naturally look for their good and not so good traits.

I agree that none of the main characters could be criminals or evil. That would be too far but having to deal with their own flaws, issues, past actions, etc. makes it fascinating especially if it develops the character in some way.
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Exactly. Since I obviously like Oscar, I'll pick on him so it doesn't look like I'm attacking the other three. So everyone seems to think he is a bit dense, a work-a-holic, devoted etc.. How can we expand on that a bit to create more drama - more of a darker side, or a darker past? WHY is he that way? Did something happen in the past to make him that way? What if it's just the front we see at the OSI...Is he different away from there - either better or worse? I agree you couldn't make him too off the deep end, but by exaggerating these traits I think it could make something interesting to deal with.

The same could be said for the other three as well...Could Rudy have ever made an ethical breach along the way in his medical career? Could he be in the midst of an experiment and gets snappy and really doesn't care about his friends etc...?
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Yeah, the trick is to make complex characters with flaws and not totally villainize them at the same time. Even when people behave very badly they have justified it in their own minds. We're always the heroes of our own stories, and sometimes the villains in other people's!
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