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Why is it...
Topic Started: Dec 13 2013, 08:39 PM (516 Views)
LuvNvrNds
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Why are there so many stories written in bionic Fanfiction about the couples (say, Steve and Jaime or other partners, maybe other character pairings), having multiples. I think several stories I have read feature Steve having twins. Does anyone know how this came about? Is it a common theme in other fan fiction, is it a personal wish, is it that this is how people really experience life? I know there are more multiples born now than ever, maybe due to artificial insemination, but it seems there is a zeitgeist in the stories. I'm not judging the ideas, I'm just really curious about how we've absorbed this phenomenon in the fictional bionic universe. Personally, I have always had a fascination with twins (my Grandmother was a twin), and I always thought it would have been neat to be a twin. Just curious. Do other people notice this twin thing and have a thought about the origins, preference to write? (Even on another website- OSI Files), I think Twins are featured. Please respond or comment if you'd like...
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I have noticed the same thing, especially with Steve and Jaime having twins and often wondered the same as you LuvNvrNds. The only thing I could figure was it was personal thing the author had.

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Oops! As one of the guiltiest parties, I am blushing! Not even sure why I do it that way - and so often! Except possibly the fun of seeing a challenge that not even bionics is much of an aid with. In this particular case, I wanted it as much for the sake of drama as for the 'cutesy' factor. Will definitely steer away from it in the future! 7654h


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Oh, no critique here at all. Please, Beth, don't take it as a critique of your current or past work.

I was merely pointing out that an idea, like say, multiple births can exist so often in the bionic universe, and it was never addressed in the series. I noticed here on this site, and also on the dead site, the OSI Files, on Angelfire. I don't think that you, Beth, are the only one who has written about multiples (I am not really as familiar with the authors there). In at least one story, I believe even Oscar has adopted twins, and in several stories Steve has multiples (I think triplets in one story, though I can't quite recall), and these multiples even with women other than Jaime.

My point, and I should have stated it better is this, that I think there is an almost collective conscious regarding our bionic universe that we all (who have actively read or written stories) agree upon to one degree or another. I think there is a zeitgeist that we share by virtue of delving into this fictional universe. I find it fascinating that in many matters without the precedence of the TV show, there are ideas we have about the landscape of our universe that we can, for the most part, accept, if not agree upon entirely.

Another example of how we mostly all agree to agree upon something is the prominent placement of Russ in so many stories. Mark Russell appeared in a handful of Bionic Woman episodes and was not featured at all on Six Million Dollar Man. Yet, I think few of us would argue that his character was unimportant and therefore he is included regularly in a lot of stories. I am guessing he is written into stories and is easily accepted as a pretty strong supporting character because we agree, either verbally or not, that he really has main supporting character status.

My Post, Why is it- Should read more like this...
Why is it.... that many authors over a span of several years can create different stories incorporating common elements not touched upon by the original works??? ( ie, Multiple Births or The Importance of Russ)? And we, the readers seem to incorporate these new (written) realities into our understanding of the bionic universe, and we subsequently add or integrate the new realities into our understanding, either consciously or unconsciously. Do you have any thoughts? Do you disagree? Am I wrong? If so how so? Have you ever thought about this? Maybe you have your own observations?



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Hello LuvNvrNds

Your questions are very interestings because It had me, as a writter, questionning myself. Why I wrote this or this thing? I'll try to explain but I think also that sometimes I just write. The story takes the control and it should have none, one or two babies and its like that, because the story needs it like that.


About the twins...Well, I barely imagine Jaime with child(ren) . Till now I have no story (written or in drafts) in which she will be pregnant or have children. I had Peggy pregnant once but not with twins...and I had her lost the baby! In the same story (For peace) , Oscar should have been father but the woman had lost her baby due to mishandling. Yes, I think that I don't imagine the characters of the 1976's series with child(ren) and then it's why if women are pregnants I have the pregnancy not going to terms (or may be it's something darker in my personality? Why I kill the babies before their birth? )

Fortunately I don't always kill them : In my last story (Help me!) I had Kate Mason-Goldman having a little girl for the best pleasure of her "great-uncle" Oscar and of course pregnancy of Jim/James (I haven't checked and corrected it yet) Goldman's mother went (finally) well because the story was a way to fill in the blanks and explain how Oscar could be his uncle.

So why choosing twins? Some writters have always twins in their stories and it may refers to their own life (oh , part of real life in our stories...) but I also think that twins are very funny for evildevilpig because it increase the difficulty for raising the children, it's a bigger challenge, it obliged the male in the couples to invest more in family life and writters could also use the twins special skills for the stories.


As Russ appears in most of my stories (and not like in the serie with two sentences to tell), it should been easy for me to explain. But I'm sorry, I'll tell you another day because I should think to it a little more for having ordered thoughs for a better translation of them.

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I think Bionika hit the nail on the head. Giving them twins is something I see as funny - and it increases the difficulty of raising children, to the 'nth' degree. It's a difficulty that being bionic cannot help them with.
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It's funny, but this topic made me think back to an interview Lindsay did during her days on TBW. She was asked about having kids and her reply was something like, "I'd like to have at least 2...a boy and a girl would be nice...preferably twins...this way I have 1 dose of pain and it's all over."

Who knows, but maybe one of the first bionic fanfic writers also remembered LW's wish for twins and that's where the idea of giving Jaime twins came from...and other writer's ran with it.

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Jan 10 2014, 06:42 PM
It's funny, but this topic made me think back to an interview Lindsay did during her days on TBW. She was asked about having kids and her reply was something like, "I'd like to have at least 2...a boy and a girl would be nice...preferably twins...this way I have 1 dose of pain and it's all over."

Who knows, but maybe one of the first bionic fanfic writers also remembered LW's wish for twins and that's where the idea of giving Jaime twins came from...and other writer's ran with it.


I think I did see that interview - and maybe LW's words were part of what made twin seem such a good fit for Jaime and Steve.
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Dec 30 2013, 09:50 AM
Giving them twins is something I see as funny
I think that perhaps not the main plot of the stories but sometimes details are added by the writers only for the fun.

I remember to have added in story "Deadly runnings" a passage about UFO just for the pleasure of my evildevilpig for losting the readers on a wrong direction.
For adding funny details in a story, the best character is Max : I like having him doing silly things like jumping in a pond an then shaking himself above very secret and precious documents or playing with these documents and biting then while trying to catch them (Who is the target?).
In a draft of a next story, I'll have him crushing a phone while trying to answer it and giving it to Jaime.

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Dec 19 2013, 03:43 AM
Another example of how we mostly all agree to agree upon something is the prominent placement of Russ in so many stories. Mark Russell appeared in a handful of Bionic Woman episodes and was not featured at all on Six Million Dollar Man. Yet, I think few of us would argue that his character was unimportant and therefore he is included regularly in a lot of stories. I am guessing he is written into stories and is easily accepted as a pretty strong supporting character because we agree, either verbally or not, that he really has main supporting character status.

I think that later in the time Mark Russell was "used" in the same way as in the series (but with more "screen/text time) as a support for Oscar Goldman. In Rudywells1274 stories witch include very often children he was presented (like Peggy ) too as a friend of Oscar/Jaime & Steve who sometime helped with the children (picking them at school...) .

Then, now, we have some stories which involves him more, in which some mishaps happen to him.
Who has began first? Beth in "From the frying pan to the fire" or "The bite of the cobra"? Me in "For peace?" Other one that I don't remember? And why?
May be it has began after Beth had posted a "spotlight" on actor Sam Chew? Or another writer reading a story involving him more and then thinking " yes, this character is interesting to develop and write some passages with him" ?

Well, it's more questions than answers.
I'll try to think about my own stories about this character and tell you then.


Sorry if I'm not very clear.

Bionika
Edited by Bionika, Feb 10 2014, 05:17 PM.
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Before "analysing" my own stories;, I would say that I feel affection for this character. I don't know exactly why.
I think that I don't like too much "damaging" the major heroes (Jaime/Steve/Oscar/Rudy) so him and Peggy are the perfect characters for my evildevilpig to unleash (It appears only in two stories yet : "For peace" and "World is a dangerous place" but I have other drafts with this type of situations).
Moreover it's allows Jaime or Steve to go to their rescue and I think it's how I mainly see them : recuers of the world...and of their friends.

When I write about Mark Russell, I haven't the little bit stunned character with goofy teeth presented in the serie in my mind but rather the picture of Sam Chew older; posted in spotlight thread.

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The interesting thing when you use characters like Russ and Peggy or even Rudy which aren't the "top characters" is that the serie hasn't give you lot's of indications about them so you can imagine what you want about their life ( been married before, have hidden babies, have brothers and sisters), their skills and flaws...

I like also in my 4th serie of TBW have Peggy's mother meddling in Peggy's (and of course Russ)'s lives.

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