| MGSV Ending + Other SPOILER Discussions; For those who finished | |
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| Topic Started: Sep 9 2015, 12:25 AM (18,711 Views) | |
| Gatsu | Sep 18 2015, 09:49 PM Post #521 |
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Yeah me too, I want to know too what happen to all my D-buddies  !I'm sure I ain't the only one who has wondered this Chico thing before, and I just remembered it again after reading your comment. It's not exactly the same like in Devil's House where it's going to the guy's throat, but still what else could it be when Chico have it plugged into his body. I kinda did predict that he died after GZ, always thought of the song: "Here's to you Chico and Paz, rest forever here in our hearts". Edited by Gatsu, Sep 18 2015, 09:49 PM.
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| No Place For Hayter | Sep 18 2015, 10:12 PM Post #522 |
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It sucks that Chico died in the helicopter....... Now I will never get the chance to kill the little twerp myself >.< Edited by No Place For Hayter, Sep 18 2015, 10:12 PM.
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| Raskalov | Sep 18 2015, 10:27 PM Post #523 |
One of your Japanese animes
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I was actually being sarcastic with that first part. If it was related to the parasites, why did he keep it in his body? He was shown to be able to remove it and plug it into the cassette player that Skull Face gave him. |
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| Gatsu | Sep 18 2015, 10:31 PM Post #524 |
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 Hmm yeah, well I dunno >_<. All I can say is that it wasn't a normal way to listen to music lol. Edited by Gatsu, Sep 18 2015, 10:32 PM.
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| Maurycy | Sep 18 2015, 11:32 PM Post #525 |
Johnny Sasaki
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He was listening to his heart. Also love the gif Gatsu <3 |
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| No Place For Hayter | Sep 19 2015, 01:48 AM Post #526 |
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Lol, love it. But it's fine to want to kill Chico right? after all he is the person whom spilled the beans on Mother Base, that and Huey, like a nice triangle of revenge, Chico, Huey, Skull Face
Edited by No Place For Hayter, Sep 19 2015, 01:49 AM.
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| Raskalov | Sep 19 2015, 02:01 AM Post #527 |
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After insane amounts of torture, physical and psychological, from Skull Face, an expert in the field, that was enough to break a spy from Cipher? You expected a child not to break under that? Him lasting as long as he did is commendable. He didn't betray Big Boss because he wanted to. He did it because he was broken. His mind, and maybe his body, couldn't take anymore. When you found him in GZ, he could barely speak normally, and was obviously traumatized as hell. Skull Face even made sure he'd never be able to walk right again, with those screws in his heels. Skull Face destroyed Chico in Camp Omega. Chico was long gone before Big Boss got there. The helicopter crash only physically killed him. Edited by Raskalov, Sep 19 2015, 02:09 AM.
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| SolidLiquid | Sep 19 2015, 03:22 AM Post #528 |
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^This. |
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| Raskalov | Sep 19 2015, 04:08 AM Post #529 |
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To me, Chico's death wasn't sad. Hearing he was dead was relieving. He wouldn't have to live the rest of his life with what Skull Face did to him. He wouldn't end up in a hospital for the rest of his life, never able to cope with what he experienced. He wouldn't be sobbing every day, regretting what he confessed. Chico's death was nothing short of merciful. |
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| No Place For Hayter | Sep 19 2015, 05:09 AM Post #530 |
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Yeah, but 3 things. You mistake that I didn't think about that or know about it, I'm not the kind of person to not think things through  1) Yeah it would be stupid for him NOT to break, lol, I never implied he shouldn't have spilled the beans, or that he should have been fine with massive physical and psychological torture. 2) That is only what Skull Face did to him, so I need my revenge on Chico for spilling the beans, it was simply unavoidable yes, but that does not mean Chico gets a pass from me. 3) I was kind of hoping for a revenge/mercy kill, obviously Chico is broken after GZ, and as such I would alleviate him of his past sins and phantoms by killing him. I understand how and why, but in understanding I do not grant pardons I find it entertaining that Chico's death can create so many reactions, Sad, relieving, angry. Lol.
Edited by No Place For Hayter, Sep 19 2015, 05:19 AM.
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| Raskalov | Sep 19 2015, 05:22 AM Post #531 |
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I don't quite understand, but okay. For me, the most emotional part of TPP was finding out about Strangelove, and listening to her cassette. She was named after one of my favorite movies of all time: Dr Strangelove. Just from first hearing her name, I got interested in her. Upon seeing her, I thought her design was nice. Probably my favorite character design of all the characters introduced in PW. And her personality only made her cooler. I listened to all of her cassette tapes once she joined MB, just because of how interesting she was and how much I liked her as a character. It wasn't long before I grew emotionally attached. Then in TPP, I found out what Huey did to her, and listened to that cassette that involved her screaming inside the AI pod. Part of me died listening to that cassette. Edited by Raskalov, Sep 19 2015, 05:32 AM.
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| leguywhodrownedquiet | Sep 19 2015, 08:33 AM Post #532 |
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Why are my comments deleted? |
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| SolidLiquid | Sep 19 2015, 07:30 PM Post #533 |
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You mean your posts on here? They aren't. Man...towards the end of that tape. That was so well acted. You can just hear the defeat in her voice. You can physically hear her dying. Edited by SolidLiquid, Sep 19 2015, 07:34 PM.
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| Raskalov | Sep 19 2015, 08:33 PM Post #534 |
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"Hal..." Fuck, I feel like I'm about to tear up just thinking about it. |
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| Gatsu | Sep 19 2015, 09:14 PM Post #535 |
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Well...I guess it's fine lol (sorry Chico). I've had dreams of punishing the little brat, but never thought of killing O_o. |
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| No Place For Hayter | Sep 19 2015, 10:47 PM Post #536 |
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Yeah, Strangelove was awesome (though she is bicurious O.o) it so sucks that she died. At least we got some serious closure on her character The tape makes me wish they played the whole 10 minute tape for the Huey trial, it would have been pretty serious, lol. Still disappointed Big boss didn't kill Huey 
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| Raskalov | Sep 19 2015, 11:15 PM Post #537 |
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Bisexual. She was curious about nothing relating to her sexuality. How could you have been disappointed? You shouldn't have been expecting it since Emma specifically tells you how Huey dies in MGS2. Edited by Raskalov, Sep 19 2015, 11:19 PM.
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| No Place For Hayter | Sep 20 2015, 01:51 AM Post #538 |
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Jesus, it is just a simple term misuse, no need for obvious education 101 I just didn't really care about getting the term exact, I talk about how I liked the character like you and you respond by simply correcting my term misuse and stick in what the character obviously is? I couldn't care less about the sexual orinetation terms I use  sorry that it wasn't exact, but I don't need correction on what the character is like. And yeah, sorry it came across like I was saying she was curious instead of straight up bisexual, didn't know the exact terminology was that important. And as much as it might annoy me to have such a thing corrected when I don't really care as I knew what I was saying, I still said the wrong word and thus didn't actually communicate what I actually was saying, so sorry for the confusion I knew what I was saying I just didn't say it right >.<How could I have been disappointed? I think you are misunderstanding the term disappointed, just because the plot in other games says that he was alive does not mean I could not be disappointed that he doesn't die in this one, that would be doing he plot and writing a disservice it would be not caring about events or characters simply because I know what is going to happen, how am I supposed to get involved with the story and characters thinking like that? Am I supposed to think "he is unkillable because of later plot and so I will not be disappointed or happy or anything when he doesn't die" that makes no sense to me, also I take the games on a game by game basis, Kojima could have EASILY killed Huey with ZERO problems to the rest of the series (Kojima has easily retconned far worse). Kojima is king of retcon he could have changed any history he wanted in TPP without problems, so no even if I did think like that I would still be in doubt simply because of what Kojima has done in the past, just look at how he retconned the first MG game in TPP. I'm currently writing up my points of thought of TPP, and I will post the whole thing when it is done, but as I am talking about Huey and his death I will post my section about Huey now. Huey is a great character in this game, he is a compulsive liar who believes his own lies, and is a total asshole, playing the role of betrayer very nicely and the role of an interrogation subject to get new versions of the "truth" from him. The problem here is again there is no character development, in PW he wasn't a lying asshole, but he shows up in TPP already completely one, and he is just as delusional when he leaves you as when you first meet him, how he got this way and why he is this way is not explained or explored , how about a story of soul crushing guilt which ruined him to the point where he had to start believing the lies he was forced to say or die on the inside of very emotions? NOPE, nothing no reason, no exploration of his character or why he got that way. He also perfectly highlights and sets up the various problems and dark history of the Emmerich family, and that is well done and awesome. He plays his role perfectly the only time he doesn't is when he isn't killed, it makes no sense for him not to die for his crimes and sins, his character is set up to be killed and yet he isn't killed leaving his purpose a little hollow, he is the enemy the object of revenge and he is simply let go. I know he needs to be alive for the rest of the series, but this in itself is bad writing to assign a role of death to a character you think you can't kill. Also Huey's death could have EASILY happened and not effected the rest of the series, Hal's father is barely ever mentioned or talked about, they could come up with a million reasons to clear up any sort of retcon that would arise from his death, for example maybe Otacon didn't know his real dad was dead and was brought up by a foster parents without him knowing, and maybe that family fell apart and his father remarried. And that is off the top of my head, put simply Huey is far from invincible and could have easily died in TPP, this wouldn't even create a problem with his death, in TPP Huey's suicide is hinted at him coming to terms that he is a lying asshole and kills himself, but that doesn't even need to exist as in MGS2 we are already told he kills himself because his wife seduced and slept with his son, and as such we already have a reason for the suicide of Hal's father, also Huey didn't exist until AFTER MGS2 and thus is never mentioned by looks or name in the series, it does not need to be Huey that drowns himself. Edited by No Place For Hayter, Sep 20 2015, 01:56 AM.
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| Raskalov | Sep 20 2015, 02:07 AM Post #539 |
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Excuse me if I seemed rude. That was not my intention. Most retcons came off as simple misinformation to me. And it was never anything major. But Huey's death with Emma was something that nobody could be misinformed about, and it was a HUGE factor in Emma and Otacon's story. However, I don't intend to argue over this subject, so I'll simply apologize for coming off the way I did. |
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| No Place For Hayter | Sep 20 2015, 03:33 AM Post #540 |
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It's ok, pure text isn't the best form of communication and yet it is the form we all use the most, lol. So misunderstandings are bound to happen >.< And for the misinformation bit, yeah I agree (except for all of MGS4, Vamp isn't misinformation it is ignoring and changing the past, you can't run on water and up walls because of healing nanomachines, lol) but what makes the death of Hal's dad important to note is that it is vague and it isn't about being misinformed it is due to Huey simply not existing in the series yet, and so no specifics about it actually being Huey were given, and as such the role of the drowned father could easily be replaced but someone else, while the characters could not be misinformed, we are not told all the details and that is the wiggle room, a lot of wiggle room to do with the characters as Kojima pleases. As hard or as easy as it could or could not be isn't my main point, what is important is that it could happen though Kojima didn't want to, which is fine, it just breaks things like Venom. Kojima could have at least written it so Huey escapes or is broken out of prison or builds his own escape, that would have been fine and great and wouldn't have to make characters act all weird, also it would personally save me from having to hear Huey's delusions on his way out 
Edited by No Place For Hayter, Sep 20 2015, 04:30 AM.
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