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One thing I noticed while rewatching the BB vs Eli encounter on the boat. In the video I saw, snake straight up says in english "so you're the white mamba" which threw me off since I remember that, when I played it, he talked in what I assume to be afrikaans. Maybe I was imagining things but while I was S ranking missions I did watch the scene again and he does speak in something that isn't english.


What's up with that?
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VicAcid
Sep 20 2015, 02:56 PM
One thing I noticed while rewatching the BB vs Eli encounter on the boat. In the video I saw, snake straight up says in english "so you're the white mamba" which threw me off since I remember that, when I played it, he talked in what I assume to be afrikaans. Maybe I was imagining things but while I was S ranking missions I did watch the scene again and he does speak in something that isn't english.


What's up with that?
If I remember correctly, when I played through the scene Big Boss started by saying something like: "So you're the one they call White Mamba", in English. And then he spoke Afrikaan language next. Or then, maybe I remember wrong and he just said the whole thing in some African language. It was maybe the latter.
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Sep 19 2015, 05:22 AM
For me, the most emotional part of TPP was finding out about Strangelove, and listening to her cassette.

She was named after one of my favorite movies of all time: Dr Strangelove. Just from first hearing her name, I got interested in her. Upon seeing her, I thought her design was nice. Probably my favorite character design of all the characters introduced in PW. And her personality only made her cooler. I listened to all of her cassette tapes once she joined MB, just because of how interesting she was and how much I liked her as a character. It wasn't long before I grew emotionally attached.

Then in TPP, I found out what Huey did to her, and listened to that cassette that involved her screaming inside the AI pod.
Part of me died listening to that cassette.
Yeah, Strangelove was awesome (though she is bicurious O.o) it so sucks that she died. At least we got some serious closure on her character :) The tape makes me wish they played the whole 10 minute tape for the Huey trial, it would have been pretty serious, lol. Still disappointed Big boss didn't kill Huey :(
Granted, Kojima does retcon some things. But, if Huey dies, then E.E. never exists and she is pivotal to the plot of MGS2. She creates the GW worm cluster. Trust me, I really wanted Snake to kill Huey in that moment. But after I thought about it, I understand why.

Killing Huey just would've been way too big of a retcon, just for the sake of Emma Emmerich. Also, remember Ocelot's words "What goes around comes around" "You cant run from yourself forever" This is relevant to Huey killing himself later because I believe he figures out that his wife is sleeping with his son Hal. Eventually he accepts the compulsive liar that he is and all the awful things he has done. Karma comes back to get him and ultimately leave him to his death.


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Sep 20 2015, 11:30 AM
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Saw this the other day. If you listen to the tapes about how his powers work, these pics perfectly explain it. He just naturally attaches to the host fueled by the most anger/rage/hate. Kudos to Kojima adding such detail in these scenes.
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Sep 20 2015, 11:30 AM
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...Well shit, I never noticed that before.
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Hey guys.Have you checked ingsoc.org lately?They updated their website.Seriously,what's up with these people?Why are they doing this?
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I haven't checked. But my guess is that they don't have anything better to do, than fooling fans.

P.S. what did they do this time :D?
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They changed the first page to this:

http://8pic.ir/images/tiva9bez4erqb0dwsbsp.jpg

I mean,what are they after?What is this nonsense?

BTW,does this forum supports picture attachments?I can't find it,lol.
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Sep 20 2015, 09:08 PM
They changed the first page to this:

http://8pic.ir/images/tiva9bez4erqb0dwsbsp.jpg

I mean,what are they after?What is this nonsense?

BTW,does this forum supports picture attachments?I can't find it,lol.
Okey that's weird lol, hmm I dunno what that's about o_O.

Yeah you can add pictures. When you're writing a comment, instead of clicking "Add Reply" at bottom, choose "Full Reply Screen". Then there's different choices like Quote etc, click "Image" and then just paste the link to it and pic should appear in your comment.

Supports videos too, but you have to write some stuff to the link if I remember right, or it don't show the video screen.
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Sep 20 2015, 09:27 PM
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Sep 20 2015, 09:08 PM
They changed the first page to this:

http://8pic.ir/images/tiva9bez4erqb0dwsbsp.jpg

I mean,what are they after?What is this nonsense?

BTW,does this forum supports picture attachments?I can't find it,lol.
Okey that's weird lol, hmm I dunno what that's about o_O.

Yeah you can add pictures. When you're writing a comment, instead of clicking "Add Reply" at bottom, choose "Full Reply Screen". Then there's different choices like Quote etc, click "Image" and then just paste the link to it and pic should appear in your comment.

Supports videos too, but you have to write some stuff to the link if I remember right, or it don't show the video screen.
Yeah,it's weird.
Thanks for the tip,Gatsu.I got it.

Yeah,there are a lot of unanswered questions about this game,like this scene from GDC'13:
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It's unclear why this scene changed,maybe KJP wanted to mislead us from the fact.

or these two:
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There are Zero explanations about these scenes and some fans are using these so called "Evidences" to prove there's more to the story.
Personally,I think nothing will come out for MGSV storywise.The game is complete and there's a high chance that Kojima and (maybe?) KJP team leave Konami in December.
People should stop talking about the future DLCs and expansions,cause they will get nothing imo.
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Sep 20 2015, 09:41 PM
eah,there are a lot of unanswered questions about this game,like this scene from GDC'13:
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It's unclear why this scene changed,maybe KJP wanted to mislead us from the fact.

or these two:
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There are Zero explanations about these scenes and some fans are using these so called "Evidences" to prove there's more to the story.
Personally,I think nothing will come out for MGSV storywise.The game is complete and there's a high chance that Kojima and (maybe?) KJP team leave Konami in December.
People should stop talking about the future DLCs and expansions,cause they will get nothing imo.
Yeah it is funny how people are running with it because they want more, lol. For me as well it all ended when the game was released, there will be nothing more, the final product is the final product.

The thing about the "truth" being a lie is that if that mission was a lie it wouldn't change the fact you are playing as Medic Boss and not Big Boss, the WHOLE rest of the game is constantly saying you aren't Big Boss, the most obvious thing is that Eli has different genetics than you do, like WAY different. In peoples attempts to call the "truth" a lie they are forgetting that the ENTIRE game supports what is revealed in the "truth" mission. I would simply chalk the errors in the timeline exactly that, simply errors that got through the rushed process of pushing the game out.
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Sep 20 2015, 10:44 PM
Yeah it is funny how people are running with it because they want more, lol. For me as well it all ended when the game was released, there will be nothing more, the final product is the final product.

The thing about the "truth" being a lie is that if that mission was a lie it wouldn't change the fact you are playing as Medic Boss and not Big Boss, the WHOLE rest of the game is constantly saying you aren't Big Boss, the most obvious thing is that Eli has different genetics than you do, like WAY different. In peoples attempts to call the "truth" a lie they are forgetting that the ENTIRE game supports what is revealed in the "truth" mission. I would simply chalk the errors in the timeline exactly that, simply errors that got through the rushed process of pushing the game out.
"Jack? ...It's not you, is it?"

Yeah, that truth ending didn't surprise me at all. The AI pod gave it away for me.

What did surprise me is that they apparently have the technology to revive eyesight, as my medic was made with two non-functional eyes.

The last part was sarcasm. Also, why was my blind avatar made a medic?
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Sep 21 2015, 08:05 AM
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Yeah it is funny how people are running with it because they want more, lol. For me as well it all ended when the game was released, there will be nothing more, the final product is the final product.

The thing about the "truth" being a lie is that if that mission was a lie it wouldn't change the fact you are playing as Medic Boss and not Big Boss, the WHOLE rest of the game is constantly saying you aren't Big Boss, the most obvious thing is that Eli has different genetics than you do, like WAY different. In peoples attempts to call the "truth" a lie they are forgetting that the ENTIRE game supports what is revealed in the "truth" mission. I would simply chalk the errors in the timeline exactly that, simply errors that got through the rushed process of pushing the game out.
"Jack? ...It's not you, is it?"

Yeah, that truth ending didn't surprise me at all. The AI pod gave it away for me.

What did surprise me is that they apparently have the technology to revive eyesight, as my medic was made with two non-functional eyes.

The last part was sarcasm. Also, why was my blind avatar made a medic?
Because he had the eyes of GOD! lol. It is funny how one of the oldest MGSV theories is the body double one, lol, Kojima is terrible at keeping secrets or hiding them, lol.
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Yeah,you're right.Everything in the game suggests that Medic is a body double,but fans still trying to find something to prove it's a lie,lol.

I think I know where it's come from.After MGSV,a lot of fans disappointed because of the story.They can't believe that this story is written by Hideo Kojima,the same guy that wrote MGS2 and MGS3.They can't believe Kojima left his final MG at this state.So they're theorizing about a possible third chapter to come as a DLC.Yeah,maybe a third chapter was in development,but why they removed it,it's unknown at this point.

People have to accept the game the way it is.I don't think they release some DLC to complete the story.KJP thinks this game is complete and we have to accept that,too.Maybe they are working on something,maybe all of this is a fiddle,but I don't think so.


P.S:There's a question in my head for 4-5 days now.Why Tretij Rebenok didn't recognize Venom?He can read people's minds,right?He could've read Venom's mind and find out about his fake identity.Then he could read Ishmael's mind and... BAM!!!This guy is the real Big Boss!!!After him!!!
Or he could've informed Eli that this guy you're pissed off at is not your father!!!
What are your thoughts,guys?
Edited by venom_sina, Sep 21 2015, 09:30 AM.
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Sep 21 2015, 09:18 AM
@No Place For Hayter:
Yeah,you're right.Everything in the game suggests that Medic is a body double,but fans still trying to find something to prove it's a lie,lol.

I think I know where it's come from.After MGSV,a lot of fans disappointed because of the story.They can't believe that this story is written by Hideo Kojima,the same guy that wrote MGS2 and MGS3.They can't believe Kojima left his final MG at this state.So they're theorizing about a possible third chapter to come as a DLC.Yeah,maybe a third chapter was in development,but why they removed it,it's unknown at this point.

People have to accept the game the way it is.I don't think they release some DLC to complete the story.KJP thinks this game is complete and we have to accept that,too.Maybe they are working on something,maybe all of this is a fiddle,but I don't think so.


P.S:There's a question in my head for 4-5 days now.Why Tretij Rebenok didn't recognize Venom?He can read people's minds,right?He could've read Venom's mind and find out about his fake identity.Then he could read Ishmael's mind and... BAM!!!This guy is the real Big Boss!!!After him!!!
Or he could've informed Eli that this guy you're pissed off at is not your father!!!
What are your thoughts,guys?
To answer your question, I think that is because of whom is controlling Mantis, if Mantis was in control he would be able to read minds, but since Volgin is in control he isn't reading minds, that being said, if you watch the intro Volgin is more interested in Ishmael than you and through out the game Volgin is always interested in you but never completely hostile so I think he is unsure who you are despite looking and acting like Big Boss, just somehow Skull Face never finds out, I doubt Mantis shares any information as he is a tool nothing more.


Now is a good time to post my thoughts on TPP, but it turned out too large for the forums, lol, so I will link to a google docs version of it, if that is OK and works for people >.<

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BTozddhXWI1AjTAQ9YmK_Iu8Kn09V1B3tV4XVq7J-rg/edit?usp=sharing
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Thanks for your answer.In some ways,it makes sense.

Reading your thoughts right now.You know,I'm a huge fan of your thoughts and loooong comments.Thanks for sharing.
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Sep 21 2015, 10:08 AM
Thanks for your answer.In some ways,it makes sense.

Reading your thoughts right now.You know,I'm a huge fan of your thoughts and loooong comments.Thanks for sharing.
Thanks, no problem :) though it turned out larger than I thought it would, lol, also it feels a bit to complainy, but the negative parts are the things that stuck out the most for me and thus those are what I talk about the most, funnily enough anything I talk positive about is some minor parts of the story and stuff, not much in the gameplay portion, it was generally aimed at people whom have played the game and already know the massive amounts of positives in the gameplay, the gameplay is amazing it is just poorly utilized and explored, I'm sure everyone already knows how well it plays so I saved all my breath for my negative points, lol >.<

I too also love large comments, lol.
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Sep 20 2015, 09:41 PM
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Sep 20 2015, 09:27 PM
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Sep 20 2015, 09:08 PM
They changed the first page to this:

http://8pic.ir/images/tiva9bez4erqb0dwsbsp.jpg

I mean,what are they after?What is this nonsense?

BTW,does this forum supports picture attachments?I can't find it,lol.
Okey that's weird lol, hmm I dunno what that's about o_O.

Yeah you can add pictures. When you're writing a comment, instead of clicking "Add Reply" at bottom, choose "Full Reply Screen". Then there's different choices like Quote etc, click "Image" and then just paste the link to it and pic should appear in your comment.

Supports videos too, but you have to write some stuff to the link if I remember right, or it don't show the video screen.
Yeah,it's weird.
Thanks for the tip,Gatsu.I got it.

Yeah,there are a lot of unanswered questions about this game,like this scene from GDC'13:
Posted Image
It's unclear why this scene changed,maybe KJP wanted to mislead us from the fact.

or these two:
Posted Image
Posted Image

There are Zero explanations about these scenes and some fans are using these so called "Evidences" to prove there's more to the story.
Personally,I think nothing will come out for MGSV storywise.The game is complete and there's a high chance that Kojima and (maybe?) KJP team leave Konami in December.
People should stop talking about the future DLCs and expansions,cause they will get nothing imo.
No problem, glad to help :D. That scene probably was going to be in the full game, but got dropped off for some reason or then would have happened later in the game. But can't help it :), just gotta accept the game the way it is. I don't think there will be any DLC etc.

Fans just want to see something more so hoping for all sorts of things and making theories, instead of accepting it. It's understandable. I have to say the ending wasn't what I wanted, but it's still good imo. It didn't make me shed tears like MGS3 ending, but there was other moments in the game that did.

About those time difference images, well I don't know what to think of that lol.
venom_sina
Sep 21 2015, 10:08 AM
Thanks for your answer.In some ways,it makes sense.

Reading your thoughts right now.You know,I'm a huge fan of your thoughts and loooong comments.Thanks for sharing.
I'm a fan of NP4H's comments too ;), I don't call him my sensei for no reason lol.

Anyway, it's nice to put our thoughts together on all sorts of MGSV stuff, so might understand some things more ^_^.
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Hey guys.MGSV's Analysis+Review by Super Bunnyhop.it's really good.Check it out if you have the time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO4Tusk_V2k
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Sep 21 2015, 08:54 AM
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Yeah it is funny how people are running with it because they want more, lol. For me as well it all ended when the game was released, there will be nothing more, the final product is the final product.

The thing about the "truth" being a lie is that if that mission was a lie it wouldn't change the fact you are playing as Medic Boss and not Big Boss, the WHOLE rest of the game is constantly saying you aren't Big Boss, the most obvious thing is that Eli has different genetics than you do, like WAY different. In peoples attempts to call the "truth" a lie they are forgetting that the ENTIRE game supports what is revealed in the "truth" mission. I would simply chalk the errors in the timeline exactly that, simply errors that got through the rushed process of pushing the game out.
"Jack? ...It's not you, is it?"

Yeah, that truth ending didn't surprise me at all. The AI pod gave it away for me.

What did surprise me is that they apparently have the technology to revive eyesight, as my medic was made with two non-functional eyes.

The last part was sarcasm. Also, why was my blind avatar made a medic?
Because he had the eyes of GOD! lol. It is funny how one of the oldest MGSV theories is the body double one, lol, Kojima is terrible at keeping secrets or hiding them, lol.
I like to call my medic the Blind Sniper, as I primarily use sniper rifles in the game.

I also like to think that he traded his eyesight for utter omnipotence, which is my explanation for the game's warning when someone notices you, and for the marking system.

And yeah, there's a huge difference between foreshadowing and outright giving away the ending.
Sorry, Kojima-San, you went overboard.
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