MGSV Ending + Other SPOILER Discussions

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MGSV Ending + Other SPOILER Discussions; For those who finished
Topic Started: Sep 9 2015, 12:25 AM (18,706 Views)
Hoss	Sep 22 2015, 08:52 PM Post #621
One and Only Posts: 5,448 Group: Admins Member #11 Joined: Jan 23, 2012	baldgye Sep 22 2015, 08:17 PM Just so you know, there are spaces after full stops and commas. Nigger, you of all people should NEVER be correcting grammar, ever. Go sit down in the corner over there. baldgye Sep 22 2015, 08:36 PM Just waiting for Adbro to be able to weigh in with his fucking wikipedia brain of mgs story shit I've mostly forgotten about You want me to weigh in on what exactly? Edited by Hoss, Sep 22 2015, 08:53 PM.



Gatsu	Sep 22 2015, 09:05 PM Post #622
Sniper Wolf Posts: 377 Group: Members Member #121 Joined: Aug 4, 2014	It's okey Sina, not everyone can feel the same of it. But you seem to try find reasons to hate every detail of TPP, even of the gameplay. But maybe you change your mind of it someday :). Yong reviewed the game as he thought it should be done and he likes the game. It's not wrong to like it just because others hate it. We all got different views of it and like it for different reasons. Some (or majority) think the story is BS, but I don't think so. The rage because of the ending makes many fans just hate the whole game, instead of appreciating what Kojima and his crew gave us which I think is sad :(. Feels like all the years and long days, that they worked hard to finish the game for us went to waste. Edited by Gatsu, Sep 22 2015, 09:11 PM.



baldgye	Sep 22 2015, 09:18 PM Post #623
BANNED Posts: -8,383,597 Group: Admins Member #2 Joined: Jan 18, 2012	grammer fuck ups and spelling mistakes are one thing, but just making your stuff easy to read is kinda a diff... but anyway i'm just curious your take on the ending bro
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Hoss	Sep 22 2015, 09:21 PM Post #624
One and Only Posts: 5,448 Group: Admins Member #11 Joined: Jan 23, 2012	baldgye Sep 22 2015, 09:18 PM grammer fuck ups and spelling mistakes are one thing, but just making your stuff easy to read is kinda a diff... but anyway i'm just curious your take on the ending bro As I said, your stuff is some times out there, too, cause of your spelling and grammar, etc lol. I'll prob post my thoughts soon. Prob later this evening. Edited by Hoss, Sep 22 2015, 09:22 PM.



baldgye	Sep 22 2015, 09:22 PM Post #625
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Raskalov	Sep 22 2015, 09:43 PM Post #626
One of your Japanese animes Posts: 112 Group: Members Member #182 Joined: Sep 15, 2015	My problems with MGSV's story lies mostly with the pacing, filler missions, Skull Face's uselessness, and lack of closure. I don't really have any complex feelings about the ending. I'm mostly disappointed in the lack of closure this game had. I don't think it was as good as the story of previous MGS games, but it was a story I enjoyed.



SolidLiquid	Sep 22 2015, 09:55 PM Post #627
Legendary Mercenary Posts: 1,511 Group: Admins Member #5 Joined: Jan 19, 2012	baldgye Sep 22 2015, 08:36 PM SolidLiquid Sep 22 2015, 08:26 PM I see what you mean. I think the moment Raiden throws the dog tag, is the moment he becomes his own character. Which he definitely is in Rising. Other than MGS2, every character is their own person. Not quite the meta narrative that TPP and MGS2 have. I'm not saying it puts us completely in the drivers seat, it just put us directly into the timeline as being the one responsible for downfall of Big Boss and his image for the series story. Because we've always known BB as the main villain. His corpse becomes the most valuable thing in the series. I just think to make us, the player (Venom) the one responsible for the image we have had of Big Boss all this time. Hell, I'm rambling. ehh I don't really agree with that, Big Boss's misinterpretation of The Boss's legacy is what lead to both his and Zero's downfall. You have no more agency in MGS:PW, Big Boss's actual down fall as you do in any of the other games (bar 2). We, the player aren't really responsible for Big Boss's actions, instead we are sympathetic to them, we willingly played PW like we were Snake, the good guy, fighting Cipher to carry out what Big Boss and Miller thought was The Boss's will, just like Zero. That is what the crux of the end tapes are about. Neither Big Boss or Zero are evil, they simply wish to carry on The Boss's legacy but can't agree about how to go about it. They are only seen as both evil to Solid Snake because he has no context for there actions. The twist and the tapes at the end give us the player context for the actions of both Big Boss and Zero, but they don't change what happened. I also don't really think that post MGS4 Raiden is his own character, hell in 4 he spends nearly the whole game trying to live up to his past and upbringing, running away from his actual identity (Jack) and in Rising he is back to Jack the Ripper, an identity brainwashed into him as a child solider. And yeah, this debating and interpretation shit is awesome Just waiting for Adbro to be able to weigh in with his fucking wikipedia brain of mgs story shit I've mostly forgotten about But that's why I hate MGS4 at times. They destroyed that moment for Raiden at the end of MGS2, by making him this unsure, whiny, little bitch in MGS4. MGS4 completely undermined everything that MGS2 represented. Anyway, that's a different discussion.



baldgye	Sep 22 2015, 09:58 PM Post #628
BANNED Posts: -8,383,597 Group: Admins Member #2 Joined: Jan 18, 2012	Raskalov Sep 22 2015, 09:43 PM My problems with MGSV's story lies mostly with the pacing, filler missions, Skull Face's uselessness, and lack of closure. I don't really have any complex feelings about the ending. I'm mostly disappointed in the lack of closure this game had. I don't think it was as good as the story of previous MGS games, but it was a story I enjoyed. I don't think Skullface was useless at all, he played a very good role of antagonist, though he couldn't have been a huge part of the whole series because it wouldn't have made any sense for the twist. On top of that his whole plan mirrors that of the The Patriots and other similar plans by Zero. Pacing issues are fair, but I think stem from the fact it's open world gives it some passes, GTA suffers from the same but they have more experience with it. But tbh I think the closure is epic SolidLiquid Sep 22 2015, 09:55 PM But that's why I hate MGS4 at times. They destroyed that moment for Raiden at the end of MGS2, by making him this unsure, whiny, little bitch in MGS4. MGS4 completely undermined everything that MGS2 represented. Anyway, that's a different discussion. Yeah, but I think the whole 'message' of MGS4 was "fuck you" lmao Edited by baldgye, Sep 22 2015, 09:59 PM.
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SolidLiquid	Sep 22 2015, 10:24 PM Post #629
Legendary Mercenary Posts: 1,511 Group: Admins Member #5 Joined: Jan 19, 2012	Fuck dat. lmao



No Place For Hayter	Sep 22 2015, 11:18 PM Post #630
Chico Posts: 83 Group: Members Member #165 Joined: Sep 9, 2015	venom_sina Sep 22 2015, 11:38 AM Yeah.It's really good.He pointed out some good things in his analysis/review.Like the Quiet part or popping mission 46 etc. One thing that I liked about his review was the thing that everyone forgot to do:He really criticized Kojima.You know,some fans of MGS will accept everything that Kojima creates,whether it's good or bad.They are like:Story isn't bad,cause Kojima wrote it-or they blame Konami for the removed contents,cause Kojima can't do wrong,lol. Some people should change their way of thinking about Kojima.He is a human being,he can make mistakes and those mistakes are in MGSV and they are clear as day,lol.Think about it:MGSV is not a great game not only by MGS standards,but the whole gaming standards!!! BTW,I read 12 pages of your thoughts of MGSV.FANTASTIC!!!! I shared my thoughts,too (it's on page 5 of this topic),but your version is more complete and more accurate.Reading the rest now. Yeah Wait until you get to the part where I go into the more subjective portion of TPP, the story, lol. Yeah I spent like a week putting it all together while I was finishing up the game, normally all those random thoughts, likes, and complaints, I usually dwell on them a bit and move on, but for TPP I figured I would write it all down as I have a place to now share my thoughts, lol.



venom_sina	Sep 22 2015, 11:32 PM Post #631
Solidus Posts: 41 Group: Members Member #173 Joined: Sep 10, 2015	Gatsu Sep 22 2015, 09:05 PM It's okey Sina, not everyone can feel the same of it. But you seem to try find reasons to hate every detail of TPP, even of the gameplay. But maybe you change your mind of it someday :). Yong reviewed the game as he thought it should be done and he likes the game. It's not wrong to like it just because others hate it. We all got different views of it and like it for different reasons. Some (or majority) think the story is BS, but I don't think so. The rage because of the ending makes many fans just hate the whole game, instead of appreciating what Kojima and his crew gave us which I think is sad :(. Feels like all the years and long days, that they worked hard to finish the game for us went to waste. These things I'm saying right now is not the things that I made up after finishing the game to crush it.These are the problems of the game after spending about 35 hours in the game.Seriously what is the exciting moment of riding helicopter/horse?and the game repeats it again and again.After playing for hours and hours it gets frustrating,and Yong says the gameplay is phenomenal,and how is that phenomenal when %90 of the missions is "go there,kill/extract that,exfil"?At least PW had better missions/contents.Like:Pooyan,Monster Hunter,kill everyone with one shot,etc.It was a nice change imo. I disliked the game the moment it started.The hospital scene for everyone was like:"wow.this is the best thing I saw in a video game".But for me it was like:please stop this nonsense and let us play the game!!!The minute it started I felt like:this is going to be a very disappointing game,but I kept telling myself this:"no,this is MGS,it will be good",but it wasn't!!! I kept playing and after 15 hours I was like:"why I'm wasting my time over this game?".I had this feeling for 2 other games:Assassin's Creed 1 and 2.I literally slept in the middle of a mission and it's a true story,cause the story was really bad in those games!!! Unfortunately,that thing happened with MGSV,too.I don't know it was bad story or slow pace or bad or repetitive gameplay.After that I decided to finish the story as soon as possible,maybe we see a satisfying story and maybe a good ending.But the final "Fuck You" for me was the ending!!! There were moments that everyone was like:"I couldn't finish my comrades.I didn't want to kill my soldiers.I nearly cried.!!!".But for me:"BANG BANG BANG without any kind of tears or something!!!Yeah it was a great mission,but it didn't bring me any tears. I'm not an emotional guy.That's why I think the ending of The Last of Us is bullshit,too!!!But I really liked MGS3 or 4 or all of them,even GZ,cause MGS was different.No matter how hard I tried,I couldn't find something to like about MGSV.I think it's empty.It doesn't have the impact that others do. Sorry for this loooong comment.I don't wanna ruin this game for everybody.All I wanted to say is Yong's review wasn't really accurate imo.He only praised the game when there are a lot of errors and as I said,the errors are clear as day,but he doesn't see them. Thanks for your reply. Edited by venom_sina, Sep 22 2015, 11:34 PM.



Hoss	Sep 22 2015, 11:38 PM Post #632
One and Only Posts: 5,448 Group: Admins Member #11 Joined: Jan 23, 2012	MGS4? More like MGSSnore amirite huehuehuehue.



No Place For Hayter	Sep 22 2015, 11:47 PM Post #633
Chico Posts: 83 Group: Members Member #165 Joined: Sep 9, 2015	Scotia Sep 22 2015, 11:38 PM MGS4? More like MGSSnore amirite huehuehuehue. Zzzzzzzzzzzzz



Hoss	Sep 22 2015, 11:52 PM Post #634
One and Only Posts: 5,448 Group: Admins Member #11 Joined: Jan 23, 2012	But seriously, fuck MGS4.



SolidLiquid	Sep 22 2015, 11:52 PM Post #635
Legendary Mercenary Posts: 1,511 Group: Admins Member #5 Joined: Jan 19, 2012	I think what people misunderstand about the gameplay, he's not just talking about side ops. He's talking about the immense amount of weapons and toys you get to play with and use at your will. The interchangeable weapons system, upgradable gadgets and toys. Endless amount of supply drops that can be called from idroid which is a really good interface and flows well (if you play offline). The lack of variety in side ops have absolutely nothing with the gameplay itself. In fact, side op is where I try new weapons, gadgets, tactics constantly. As this thread has stated before, you only get what you input into this game. It never holds your hand. Also, want to make it more fun? Turn off reflex, aiming reticle, enemy marking, and enemy indicators. It's almost like playing a new game because the difficulty spikes. You get what you put into it. You have no patience for it? The game doesn't cater to impatience. Edited by SolidLiquid, Sep 22 2015, 11:56 PM.



baldgye	Sep 22 2015, 11:54 PM Post #636
BANNED Posts: -8,383,597 Group: Admins Member #2 Joined: Jan 18, 2012	idk the extra missions are pretty intense
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SolidLiquid	Sep 22 2015, 11:54 PM Post #637
Legendary Mercenary Posts: 1,511 Group: Admins Member #5 Joined: Jan 19, 2012	Also, FUCK MGS4. Fan service out the ass. You know, just because something brings a shit ton of closure (where it doesn't need to be) doesn't make it a good story lol People should know that Kojkma himself was disappointed with MGS4. Old Snake was used as a conduit for Kojima's feeling towards MGS at the time. He didn't want to make MGS4. But people demanded answers to a game that wasn't supposed to have answers. (MGS2)



venom_sina	Sep 22 2015, 11:57 PM Post #638
Solidus Posts: 41 Group: Members Member #173 Joined: Sep 10, 2015	Scotia Sep 22 2015, 11:52 PM But seriously, fuck MGS4. Yeah,there are a lot of nonsense in MGS4,but for me it's a better game. With all due respect,for me it's "Fuck MGSV".



Hoss	Sep 22 2015, 11:58 PM Post #639
One and Only Posts: 5,448 Group: Admins Member #11 Joined: Jan 23, 2012	It's almost time for my No Reflex No Enemy Presence No Marker OSP Perfect Stealth Extravaganza Stream. I estimate a week from now.



No Place For Hayter	Sep 22 2015, 11:58 PM Post #640
Chico Posts: 83 Group: Members Member #165 Joined: Sep 9, 2015	SolidLiquid Sep 22 2015, 11:54 PM Also, FUCK MGS4. Fan service out the ass. You know, just because something brings a shit ton of closure (where it doesn't need to be) doesn't make it a good story lol People should know that Kojkma himself was disappointed with MGS4. Old Snake was used as a conduit for Kojima's feeling towards MGS at the time. He didn't want to make MGS4. But people demanded answers to a game that wasn't supposed to have answers. (MGS2) Yeah, I have to agree, Fuck MGS4.



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