MGSV Ending + Other SPOILER Discussions

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MGSV Ending + Other SPOILER Discussions; For those who finished
Topic Started: Sep 9 2015, 12:25 AM (18,703 Views)
No Place For Hayter	Sep 23 2015, 03:26 AM Post #681
Chico Posts: 83 Group: Members Member #165 Joined: Sep 9, 2015	SolidLiquid Sep 23 2015, 02:11 AM I read your analysis by the way. Just so you know, you CAN choose your team who goes out on combat deployment. I also have to point out that you're complaining about things you can counter. The game is adaptive to your playstyle for a reason. You can counter shotguns by playing from a distance. If they're wearing helmets, start using decoys, smoke grenades or stun grenades so you can CQC them. Use you bionic arms advantages. The hand of jehuty, rocket arm. It counters the shotgun. If you're sneaking at night too much, start sneaking at day. There is ALWAYS a way to counter how they adapt to your play style. It encourages you to try other methods and make you a better player ultimately. You have these endless amount of weapons and gadgets for a reason. The game makes you get creative. Just because it frustrates you doesn't mean it's bad game design. Your resources part was false as well. It takes an average of 20-40 min every time. The only missions that take over an hour in combat deployment are the missions that give you over 700,000 GMP, with a chance of S rank soldiers. Honestly, I disagreed with about 80% of everything you said. Many issues of yours that I found to be personal complaints that aren't actual flaws in the game. You seem to have a deep hate for the game, and from what I've read caused you to call out issues with the game that many weren't true or you didn't discover how to properly utilize. But hey, you didn't like MGSV. That's fine. Yeah different opinions is what it is all about, rant incoming For the combat deployment thing I was referring to vehicles as well, in TPP any vehicles you collect are kind of pointless as you cannot send them at when you want, yes you can select your men but I can't include any vehicles I choose, if the enemy has one why can't I send two? My complaint about the shotguns was that distance didn't matter with them, I have been sniped from shotguns before, it does no damage but it still sends me flying off my feet. Also it doesn't frustrate me (don't confuse me for someone who makes concise thoughts out of anger, I don't appreciate my thought out points being disregarded simply because you don't think I know what I'm talking about, you think I'm an angry little guy whom spouted crap about the game in a fit of rage and had NO idea what he was talking about or why, that something in the game made me angry and that I decided it was a flaw because I didn't like it, that is not the kind of person I am and I would appreciate it if you would put more respect into my opinion as I'm not that retarded I have been playing games all my life, I have played through games I had hard time with and easy times with, I know the difference between something that annoys me but makes sense and works within the game and its balance and something that is severely off so please don't think I'm one of THOSE people, NONE of my points were put up for any of those reason, they were all put up because I genuinely thought that way about them, and have thought about them within the game. Though don't forget my thoughts on the game are coloured by my opinion, maybe what KP thought was OK and balanced for their game I don't think is, that doesn't make it a good or bad feature, it is simply that I would not do that as I believe it is a negative thing and not a positive) I didn't call the "adaptive system" bad game design (if I used that wording sorry I was simply referring to the system itself not being an evolving system it grows but that growth does not change) I simply said that it actually wasn't an "adaptive system" it simply gets constantly harder (not like the game actually ever is hard mind you). There is not always a way to counter, if you don't see or experience the problems I have pointed out that is fine, but don't simply disregard my points because you disagree, just because you disagree doesn't mean I'm wrong, lets not get pseudo factual here. The game does not encourage me to be creative, I have ONE load out I use and it works for everything, putting NVG on the enemies or giving them helmets does not get me tot change anything, if there was a method I could use to get them to stop wearing them for an actual decent amount of time I would use that, but the best is a very short measure of stopping their supplies, which I don't bother with because it doesn't last long enough to be of any use. I am in no way bad at the game, I have done everything in it with ease, it is not annoyance that made me see these things, the gameplay is great but it is underutilized and does not explore itself very well, with little to no incentive to change your tactics. The "adaptive" system does not "adapt" to my play style it does the same thing for everyone all the time, it simply gets harder I already gave an example in my point about the system about how it isn't an adaptive system but instead a simple increase system, If I could get them to change their tactics it would be adaptive, but I can't, can I get them to start wearing helmets because I headshot too much? Yes, but I can't get them to stop wearing the helmets in a different method to counter me? No, it grows but its growth is always the same and never changes if I change my tactics they will increase something else, but none of those stats will ever go down by simply using a different tactic. "Resources" does not equal "GMP" I meant plants and minerals. And everything that takes less than an hour to three hours is pointless really, if you think otherwise show me at least one combat deployment that gives something good that doesn't take 2-3 hours. And don't call my points "false" they are founded by my personal experience with the game and have been greatly thought about none of them are "false" even on a basic conceptual level they can't be "false" because I never called them factual "true"; the best we can get is subjective things like the story or how hard combat is because we all play differently, if you really think any of my points are "false" just point out one and tell me why it is false and I'm sure I can tell you how it isn't, it could easily argue my points all day, they aren't random or throw away, they are my solid opinion on the game supported by all the time I put into it so I have an understanding of the system and why I think the way I do about it, the biggest point about my thoughts on TPP is to show WHY I think the way I do about TPP, not as HOW the game actually is for everyone. I love the gameplay, if I hated the game I wouldn't have finished it (I hated the story but that isn't the gameplay), the more I love a game the more I look into its systems and story, you can disagree with what I said, that is fine, but I honestly believe that if you disagree with 80% of what I said (considering how much I said) I think you are either not looking at the game from a completely uncoloured standpoint and aren't willing to acknowledge some points or you simply give the game a lot more leeway than me. I am getting defensive here yes, but that is simply because I think you disagreeing with 80% of what I said to a bit insane. Lets not argue over the point of "FLAWS" my thoughts on TPP aren't a list of "flaws" (god knows what tight parameters you use for the word "flaw") lets use a word we both understand instead of one that will be confusing because we don't share the same opinion on how strict the word is. My list is simply my thoughts on TPP, about any issues I had, or any Issues I have experience, anything I disliked about the story, or anything I liked about the story, my list isn't some attack that needs to be deflected nor is it a list of "facts" or "flaws" I said so in the beginning of my list. I believe you read what I wrote, but I think you read it under a bias and coloured the whole thing in the wrong light. Again this is simply my opinion, you don't have to try and change mine and I won't try and change yours, but trying to bring the whole thing into a pseudo factual realm is where I have a problem, as much as I would love to get pseudo factual, lets be honest we both think our opinion is fact (even I would like to argue most of my points as facts of the game), buts lets acknowledge that while our opinion is supported by fact and experience it is by itself no means a fact, we colour any facts we collect with our bias, our experiences, our expectations, and our personal beliefs, by the time we say them as fact, most of the time they no longer are. I understand practical facts like this being the letter A "A", but what we are talking about is something greatly coloured by whom we are, so I'm more than happy to discus my points on a IMO level, but not on a factual level, I tried not to bring it to that level by specifically stating so in my thoughts so I restated it here. And yes I don't like that you are trying to bring it into a "factual" realm please don't take any hostility from this comment of mine I mean no disrespect or harm, I just don't want to start down a road that has no end other than "agree to disagree" as that isn't discussion, we can discus our opinions, but we can't discus "facts" or facts. SolidLiquid Sep 23 2015, 02:53 AM I will also point out that you said that PTSD wasn't hardly mentioned. Please know that the whole thing with Paz was your PTSD as the medic. She was an embodiment of Snake's PTSD. His subconscious created a false memory in order to mask the guilt that you never found the second bomb. @NP4H I shouldn't say that your issues are more personal complaints. I think what I meant to say is that your complaints were really exaggerated. Like some wait times were definitely exaggerated. You made your issues with the game sound like they're absolutely awful and unbearable when most those complaints will vary from person to person. Referring to the adaptive enemies. MGS players who aren't that creative will be halted by the adaptive AI and find it difficult. Really created players won't have trouble with that. This is what I mean by some of your complaints will only apply to certain people and it will vary depending on who you're asking. But hey man, it's how you felt about the game. You didn't like it and that's how it is. Yeah, this is what I mean, lol, it is all about my personal thoughts and experience with the game as I played it, like you said. I never stated it as fact. Edited by No Place For Hayter, Sep 23 2015, 03:28 AM.



SolidLiquid	Sep 23 2015, 03:29 AM Post #682
Legendary Mercenary Posts: 1,511 Group: Admins Member #5 Joined: Jan 19, 2012	Hey man, don't listen to my stupid ass. I'm wrong half the time anyway. My opinion usually has some weird twist to it that makes sense in my brain anyway lol I can't tell anybody to like a game or not. Not my style, unless someone starts speaking some straight up nonsense which isn't what you did at all. THERE ARE NO FACTS ONLY INTERPRETATIONS HUR DUR haha But for real, we both have our opinions. And when I said 80 percent, I meant the gameplay. I put that in awful context. I didn't mean EVERYTHING, just what you said about the gameplay. Everything else you had issues with is the story, narrative, characters. And that stuff is going to vastly be different depending on who you ask. I can't argue with stuff like that. Edited by SolidLiquid, Sep 23 2015, 03:32 AM.



Hoss	Sep 23 2015, 03:37 AM Post #683
One and Only Posts: 5,448 Group: Admins Member #11 Joined: Jan 23, 2012	Curious, are the EXTREME, TOTAL STEALTH, etc. missions required, to move forward, or no?



SolidLiquid	Sep 23 2015, 03:38 AM Post #684
Legendary Mercenary Posts: 1,511 Group: Admins Member #5 Joined: Jan 19, 2012	Also your response was perfect. This is how two people can argue. I can't stress enough how happy your response made me. Explained with reasoning and logic. Honestly, thank you. I told you that I simply didn't agree with many things. I even was stupid enough to use the word "false" in part of my response, which was dumb on my part. Yet, you didn't take it personal and that's awesome. Thanks for being open-minded and willing to discuss like an adult. I'm only this happy because people these days are just too sensitive on the internet. Just know I respect your opinion, if I offended, that's on me. For I didn't mean to do so. I can have poor usage of words sometimes. I'm also posting from my phone right now and it's much harder to convey my thoughts through texting rather than having my laptop in front of me. Edited by SolidLiquid, Sep 23 2015, 03:40 AM.



Hoss	Sep 23 2015, 03:39 AM Post #685
One and Only Posts: 5,448 Group: Admins Member #11 Joined: Jan 23, 2012	I wonder who that person was who I asked for an emblem from, for a sig.



SolidLiquid	Sep 23 2015, 03:40 AM Post #686
Legendary Mercenary Posts: 1,511 Group: Admins Member #5 Joined: Jan 19, 2012	Fuckin' A adbro. haha Hoss Sep 23 2015, 03:37 AM Curious, are the EXTREME, TOTAL STEALTH, etc. missions required, to move forward, or no? Yup. They're fun though. Edited by SolidLiquid, Sep 23 2015, 03:40 AM.



Hoss	Sep 23 2015, 03:41 AM Post #687
One and Only Posts: 5,448 Group: Admins Member #11 Joined: Jan 23, 2012	SolidLiquid Sep 23 2015, 03:40 AM Fuckin' A adbro. haha Hoss Sep 23 2015, 03:37 AM Curious, are the EXTREME, TOTAL STEALTH, etc. missions required, to move forward, or no? Yup. They're fun though. So wait though, one of them was C2W, Extreme, which is the same as C2W from before isn't it? I have to do these just to move the story forward? :s SolidLiquid Sep 23 2015, 03:40 AM Fuckin' A adbro. haha lololol Edited by Hoss, Sep 23 2015, 03:42 AM.



SolidLiquid	Sep 23 2015, 03:43 AM Post #688
Legendary Mercenary Posts: 1,511 Group: Admins Member #5 Joined: Jan 19, 2012	Hoss Sep 23 2015, 03:41 AM SolidLiquid Sep 23 2015, 03:40 AM Fuckin' A adbro. haha Hoss Sep 23 2015, 03:37 AM Curious, are the EXTREME, TOTAL STEALTH, etc. missions required, to move forward, or no? Yup. They're fun though. So wait though, one of them was C2W, Extreme, which is the same as C2W from before isn't it? I have to do these just to move the story forward? :s Yup, kinda stupid isn't it?



Hoss	Sep 23 2015, 03:48 AM Post #689
One and Only Posts: 5,448 Group: Admins Member #11 Joined: Jan 23, 2012	SolidLiquid Sep 23 2015, 03:43 AM Yup



SolidLiquid	Sep 23 2015, 03:52 AM Post #690
Legendary Mercenary Posts: 1,511 Group: Admins Member #5 Joined: Jan 19, 2012	Chapter 2 has some major issues. You'll see why, very soon.



Hoss	Sep 23 2015, 03:55 AM Post #691
One and Only Posts: 5,448 Group: Admins Member #11 Joined: Jan 23, 2012	Also, man. Every fucking time I come back to MB, Liquid stupid ass is fuckin' shit up. Swear to God, that kid is a pain in my ass lol. I loved the side ops where he challenged you again, though. Like, really bruh, you wanna do this again? >Throws petrol bombs at me when I can only use non-lethal things on him Cheatin' ass. ALWAYS CHEATIN'! EVEN LATER IN LIFE THAT NIGGA CHEATS!



SolidLiquid	Sep 23 2015, 04:01 AM Post #692
Legendary Mercenary Posts: 1,511 Group: Admins Member #5 Joined: Jan 19, 2012	Bruh, Liquid has been a little bitch since day one. It's why I love his character as Eli. It's Liquid as a child. A little fucking bastard. Always cheating. When he said he wanted to face me again on my own base, I was like nigga what? You want this ass whoopin' again?



Hoss	Sep 23 2015, 04:07 AM Post #693
One and Only Posts: 5,448 Group: Admins Member #11 Joined: Jan 23, 2012	SolidLiquid Sep 23 2015, 04:01 AM It's Liquid as a child. So, it's Liquid. :p Nig has always been a child, lol.



SolidLiquid	Sep 23 2015, 04:11 AM Post #694
Legendary Mercenary Posts: 1,511 Group: Admins Member #5 Joined: Jan 19, 2012	YOU STOLE EVERYTHING FROM ME



Hoss	Sep 23 2015, 04:15 AM Post #695
One and Only Posts: 5,448 Group: Admins Member #11 Joined: Jan 23, 2012	I always found that funny, when he says it, cause he never had shit lol. Always failing.



SolidLiquid	Sep 23 2015, 04:19 AM Post #696
Legendary Mercenary Posts: 1,511 Group: Admins Member #5 Joined: Jan 19, 2012	Not MGS related at all, but someone on the MGS reddit posted this video. Warning, this shit is awful but I was dying laughing while watching this. I feel awful for laughing but I'm a terrible person and can't help myself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Stzj5a1WIvo



Hoss	Sep 23 2015, 04:26 AM Post #697
One and Only Posts: 5,448 Group: Admins Member #11 Joined: Jan 23, 2012	Dat Big_Paws at the end.



SolidLiquid	Sep 23 2015, 04:29 AM Post #698
Legendary Mercenary Posts: 1,511 Group: Admins Member #5 Joined: Jan 19, 2012	Hoss Sep 23 2015, 04:26 AM Dat Big_Paws at the end. Wow, didn't even make that connection. That's golden.



Hoss	Sep 23 2015, 04:29 AM Post #699
One and Only Posts: 5,448 Group: Admins Member #11 Joined: Jan 23, 2012	Everything is Metal Gear to me. It's my job to make connections. Edited by Hoss, Sep 23 2015, 04:31 AM.



Gatsu	Sep 23 2015, 05:48 AM Post #700
Sniper Wolf Posts: 377 Group: Members Member #121 Joined: Aug 4, 2014	I think TPP beginning is one of the best things I've seen in games and perhaps the best way to start. I don't know how to describe it well, but just so fucking beautiful and intense.



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