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MGSV Ending + Other SPOILER Discussions; For those who finished
Topic Started: Sep 9 2015, 12:25 AM (18,698 Views)
venom_sina	Sep 28 2015, 10:55 AM Post #781
Solidus Posts: 41 Group: Members Member #173 Joined: Sep 10, 2015	baldgye Sep 28 2015, 10:38 AM venom_sina Sep 28 2015, 10:37 AM Hoss Sep 28 2015, 04:49 AM Dat cleansing. Also, this is interesting. http://gamingbolt.com/metal-gear-solid-5-the-phantom-pain-crazy-coincidence-even-moby-dicks-first-printing-had-its-epilogue-missing Also a neat thread What?Kojima ruined the whole game for a stupid reference?I think that's the dumbest idea in the world,but there's a high chance that Kojima did this stupid thing on purpose. I'm tired of Kojima's stupid references in this game.1984,Moby Dick,108 fragments in the body etc... Kojima,can you please stop referencing to other media and write your own story?If you can,of course,lol. Just so you know, this isn't and wont ever be MGSF I'm sorry,I didn't understand your comment.Can you explain a little?Thank you.



baldgye	Sep 28 2015, 11:11 AM Post #782
BANNED Posts: -8,383,597 Group: Admins Member #2 Joined: Jan 18, 2012	venom_sina Sep 28 2015, 10:55 AM baldgye Sep 28 2015, 10:38 AM venom_sina Sep 28 2015, 10:37 AM Hoss Sep 28 2015, 04:49 AM Dat cleansing. Also, this is interesting. http://gamingbolt.com/metal-gear-solid-5-the-phantom-pain-crazy-coincidence-even-moby-dicks-first-printing-had-its-epilogue-missing Also a neat thread What?Kojima ruined the whole game for a stupid reference?I think that's the dumbest idea in the world,but there's a high chance that Kojima did this stupid thing on purpose. I'm tired of Kojima's stupid references in this game.1984,Moby Dick,108 fragments in the body etc... Kojima,can you please stop referencing to other media and write your own story?If you can,of course,lol. Just so you know, this isn't and wont ever be MGSF I'm sorry,I didn't understand your comment.Can you explain a little?Thank you. Not thinking before posting
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venom_sina	Sep 28 2015, 11:18 AM Post #783
Solidus Posts: 41 Group: Members Member #173 Joined: Sep 10, 2015	baldgye Sep 28 2015, 11:11 AM venom_sina Sep 28 2015, 10:55 AM baldgye Sep 28 2015, 10:38 AM venom_sina Sep 28 2015, 10:37 AM Hoss Sep 28 2015, 04:49 AM Dat cleansing. Also, this is interesting. http://gamingbolt.com/metal-gear-solid-5-the-phantom-pain-crazy-coincidence-even-moby-dicks-first-printing-had-its-epilogue-missing Also a neat thread What?Kojima ruined the whole game for a stupid reference?I think that's the dumbest idea in the world,but there's a high chance that Kojima did this stupid thing on purpose. I'm tired of Kojima's stupid references in this game.1984,Moby Dick,108 fragments in the body etc... Kojima,can you please stop referencing to other media and write your own story?If you can,of course,lol. Just so you know, this isn't and wont ever be MGSF I'm sorry,I didn't understand your comment.Can you explain a little?Thank you. Not thinking before posting You think I didn't think about what I said earlier?



Hoss	Sep 28 2015, 11:24 AM Post #784
One and Only Posts: 5,448 Group: Admins Member #11 Joined: Jan 23, 2012	Zuben Sep 28 2015, 10:42 AM Hoss Sep 27 2015, 10:36 PM Speakin' of the ending, I love how you can hear Solid Snake shootin' all dem baddies up, while Venom is in the bathroom listening to Operation Intrude N313. I like the idea that Solid is literally RIGHT outside that door, but we still don't see him. We know he's there, we know this is where MG1 happens, etc. i loved how they pulled it together that way. It was neat seeing Venom smirk, when Big Boss told him he is also Big Boss, like he knew ''I have power now.'' but that was all wiped away when he listened to Side B of the tape. Was also very enat, aesthetically, how you could see Big Boss on the other side of the mirror when Venom punched it. Huh. Is it certain that was from MG1? Just thought Venom was chillin' in a bathroom after a mission in 1984 and listened to a tape BB had sent him, which contained his plans for Operation Intrude. Thought the sounds of battle was just in his head, echoing his experiences from the battlefield. Didn't notice the logos changing, but I remember Big Boss was behind the shattered mirror. Went to youtube to check the scene again, but... da fuq?? Logo remains Diamond Dogs and Venom is behind the mirror? What, does the scene change according to some unknown parameters? The logos change, you're not seeing it, it seems. Also, if you notice the mirror, look at Venom's arm. Parts of the glass show Big Boss, other parts show Venom. venom_sina Sep 28 2015, 10:37 AM Hoss Sep 28 2015, 04:49 AM Dat cleansing. Also, this is interesting. http://gamingbolt.com/metal-gear-solid-5-the-phantom-pain-crazy-coincidence-even-moby-dicks-first-printing-had-its-epilogue-missing Also a neat thread What?Kojima ruined the whole game for a stupid reference?I think that's the dumbest idea in the world,but there's a high chance that Kojima did this stupid thing on purpose. I'm tired of Kojima's stupid references in this game.1984,Moby Dick,108 fragments in the body etc... Kojima,can you please stop referencing to other media and write your own story?If you can,of course,lol. Seems you misread things. It isn't confirmed this is what happened. You're too blindsided by things, bro. Slow down and read carefully. Referencing things is not the same as outright copying of someone's work. He's writing his own stories. You don't seem to understand what references are. I mean, especially since some are literally single-scene references. Edited by Hoss, Sep 28 2015, 11:26 AM.



venom_sina	Sep 28 2015, 11:49 AM Post #785
Solidus Posts: 41 Group: Members Member #173 Joined: Sep 10, 2015	Hoss Sep 28 2015, 11:24 AM Zuben Sep 28 2015, 10:42 AM Hoss Sep 27 2015, 10:36 PM Speakin' of the ending, I love how you can hear Solid Snake shootin' all dem baddies up, while Venom is in the bathroom listening to Operation Intrude N313. I like the idea that Solid is literally RIGHT outside that door, but we still don't see him. We know he's there, we know this is where MG1 happens, etc. i loved how they pulled it together that way. It was neat seeing Venom smirk, when Big Boss told him he is also Big Boss, like he knew ''I have power now.'' but that was all wiped away when he listened to Side B of the tape. Was also very enat, aesthetically, how you could see Big Boss on the other side of the mirror when Venom punched it. Huh. Is it certain that was from MG1? Just thought Venom was chillin' in a bathroom after a mission in 1984 and listened to a tape BB had sent him, which contained his plans for Operation Intrude. Thought the sounds of battle was just in his head, echoing his experiences from the battlefield. Didn't notice the logos changing, but I remember Big Boss was behind the shattered mirror. Went to youtube to check the scene again, but... da fuq?? Logo remains Diamond Dogs and Venom is behind the mirror? What, does the scene change according to some unknown parameters? The logos change, you're not seeing it, it seems. Also, if you notice the mirror, look at Venom's arm. Parts of the glass show Big Boss, other parts show Venom. venom_sina Sep 28 2015, 10:37 AM Hoss Sep 28 2015, 04:49 AM Dat cleansing. Also, this is interesting. http://gamingbolt.com/metal-gear-solid-5-the-phantom-pain-crazy-coincidence-even-moby-dicks-first-printing-had-its-epilogue-missing Also a neat thread What?Kojima ruined the whole game for a stupid reference?I think that's the dumbest idea in the world,but there's a high chance that Kojima did this stupid thing on purpose. I'm tired of Kojima's stupid references in this game.1984,Moby Dick,108 fragments in the body etc... Kojima,can you please stop referencing to other media and write your own story?If you can,of course,lol. Seems you misread things. It isn't confirmed this is what happened. You're too blindsided by things, bro. Slow down and read carefully. Referencing things is not the same as outright copying of someone's work. He's writing his own stories. You don't seem to understand what references are. I mean, especially since some are literally single-scene references. Yeah,you're right.I don't know why,but everytime I see "Kojima" and "TPP",I get pissed off,lol. With all these references in the game,his theory seems legit. Why I pissed off about Kojima is because he filled his game with a lot of references.I mean,references are good,but he's gone too far imo.If he stick to his thing and write a decent story for his game,it would be way better. Sorry about that,guys.



baldgye	Sep 28 2015, 11:51 AM Post #786
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Hoss	Sep 28 2015, 11:51 AM Post #787
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Zuben	Sep 28 2015, 11:55 AM Post #788
Virgin Posts: 809 Group: Members Member #6 Joined: Jan 19, 2012	What I'm glad about is that there's very little cheese in the dialogue this time. MGS4 was vomit-inducing in that department.
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baldgye	Sep 28 2015, 11:58 AM Post #789
BANNED Posts: -8,383,597 Group: Admins Member #2 Joined: Jan 18, 2012	Zuben Sep 28 2015, 11:55 AM What I'm glad about is that there's very little cheese in the dialogue this time. MGS4 was vomit-inducing in that department. It's one of the huge upsides of Venom being mostly silent, that said... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xeGE_5kSI0
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Hoss	Sep 28 2015, 12:00 PM Post #790
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baldgye	Sep 28 2015, 12:03 PM Post #791
BANNED Posts: -8,383,597 Group: Admins Member #2 Joined: Jan 18, 2012	Legit one of the worst moments in the whole game was the car ride before that cut scene... like what the fuck... Skull Face is happily chatting away his insane bullshit, then just stops que horribly fitting song-song finished and Skull Face just carries on his insane chat after only a 2-3min random pause... Like, what the fuck, couldn't they have got Keither in to chat for like a couple of mins just to stretch it out so it wasn't so fucking painful?
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venom_sina	Sep 28 2015, 12:09 PM Post #792
Solidus Posts: 41 Group: Members Member #173 Joined: Sep 10, 2015	Guys,I thought of something.Remember that time when Kojima said:"I did some taboo things.If I mess up,I may have to leave the industry"? We never saw that taboo thing Kojima talked about (at least for now,maybe there's a secret way to trigger it...).Maybe the taboo thing is the ending itself.Maybe Kojima predicted this day,that there's a high chance that people dislike the ending.You know,replacing BigBoss with a simple medic,that's a risk for a franchise like Metal Gear. It's a theory just came out of my brain (my brain doesn't work properly most of the times,lol).So what are your thoughts,guys?



Zuben	Sep 28 2015, 12:14 PM Post #793
Virgin Posts: 809 Group: Members Member #6 Joined: Jan 19, 2012	That, or the child killing. It gives us a mission fail, but we can kill child soldiers in this game.
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Hoss	Sep 28 2015, 12:18 PM Post #794
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baldgye	Sep 28 2015, 12:19 PM Post #795
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venom_sina	Sep 28 2015, 12:30 PM Post #796
Solidus Posts: 41 Group: Members Member #173 Joined: Sep 10, 2015	Zuben Sep 28 2015, 12:14 PM That, or the child killing. It gives us a mission fail, but we can kill child soldiers in this game. Yeah,that's a good one,but like you said,it gives us a game over screen.If we could kill some children and continue with the game,yeah that would be a really heavy taboo,and let's not forget if they included the child killing thing,they couldn't release the game in the first place!!! But I don't think that's the taboo Kojima talked about back in 2010.He really advertised the whole thing,but the only thing that we got was a gameover screen for killing a child.I think something bigger is involved.Whether it's a removed content or a hidden content...I don't know.We have to wait and see. @Hoss,Good Night. Edited by venom_sina, Sep 28 2015, 12:31 PM.



Hoss	Sep 28 2015, 12:34 PM Post #797
One and Only Posts: 5,448 Group: Admins Member #11 Joined: Jan 23, 2012	Real quick, I think the fact Chapter 3: Peace was removed is a big tell. Could have had some taboo stuff in that chapter.



baldgye	Sep 28 2015, 12:35 PM Post #798
BANNED Posts: -8,383,597 Group: Admins Member #2 Joined: Jan 18, 2012	I really don't think killing children was the taboo, if anything that should have been one of the ways to decrease your heroism level. IMO the Taboo thing wasn't something Kojima was able to do because he ran out of time. Doing something actually new and that would be a taboo, requires setup and work and I think we get to see a lot of that in the game (I think it possibly ties into the Paz stuff), but because the game required at least another year (going off the areas and stuff Kojima talked about in the past, and the 'missing' chapter) it didn't make it into the game as they had to scramble to get the story they had, finished. Hoss Sep 28 2015, 12:34 PM Real quick, I think the fact Chapter 3: Peace was removed is a big tell. Could have had some taboo stuff in that chapter. woah mate it's like we be thinkin on a similar level Edited by baldgye, Sep 28 2015, 12:35 PM.
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venom_sina	Sep 28 2015, 01:05 PM Post #799
Solidus Posts: 41 Group: Members Member #173 Joined: Sep 10, 2015	baldgye Sep 28 2015, 12:35 PM I really don't think killing children was the taboo, if anything that should have been one of the ways to decrease your heroism level. IMO the Taboo thing wasn't something Kojima was able to do because he ran out of time. Doing something actually new and that would be a taboo, requires setup and work and I think we get to see a lot of that in the game (I think it possibly ties into the Paz stuff), but because the game required at least another year (going off the areas and stuff Kojima talked about in the past, and the 'missing' chapter) it didn't make it into the game as they had to scramble to get the story they had, finished. Yeah,that's a possibility,but we can't say for sure.I think he had a lot of time for doing what he wanted,but didn't manage it very well IMO. You know,we have 2 huge maps in this game,but most of the areas...we don't really need them!!!They could've cut the maps in half and done some story stuff instead.It would be better IMO.Or they could've removed those repeated missions (both Main and Side).Seriously,we don't need 11 MSF soldiers rescue missions!!! Long story short,KJP staff had a good amount of time (and money) to make this game the best MGS ever,but... Edited by venom_sina, Sep 28 2015, 03:33 PM.



Metal_Gear_Z	Sep 28 2015, 01:17 PM Post #800
Sahelanthropus Posts: 136 Group: Members Member #190 Joined: Sep 21, 2015	Hoss Sep 27 2015, 10:36 PM Speakin' of the ending, I love how you can hear Solid Snake shootin' all dem baddies up, while Venom is in the bathroom listening to Operation Intrude N313. I like the idea that Solid is literally RIGHT outside that door, but we still don't see him. We know he's there, we know this is where MG1 happens, etc. i loved how they pulled it together that way. It was neat seeing Venom smirk, when Big Boss told him he is also Big Boss, like he knew ''I have power now.'' but that was all wiped away when he listened to Side B of the tape. Was also very enat, aesthetically, how you could see Big Boss on the other side of the mirror when Venom punched it. That scene, is Kojima's best cinematic moment in the series history. Only if you're aware of what truly is happening though. I loved it. Also, there has been zero meaningful discussion about experiments on Africans and the use of child soldiers in the game. It's is quite possible Kojima felt these were the taboo moments, instead everyone kinda said "Oh look, kids with guns in a warzone, MEH" and just kept on running. Edited by Metal_Gear_Z, Sep 28 2015, 01:54 PM.
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