MGSV Ending + Other SPOILER Discussions

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MGSV Ending + Other SPOILER Discussions; For those who finished
Topic Started: Sep 9 2015, 12:25 AM (18,732 Views)
venom_sina	Sep 11 2015, 07:24 PM Post #101
Solidus Posts: 41 Group: Members Member #173 Joined: Sep 10, 2015	Oh,I misunderstood your point,I'm sorry!!!



SolidLiquid	Sep 11 2015, 07:25 PM Post #102
Legendary Mercenary Posts: 1,511 Group: Admins Member #5 Joined: Jan 19, 2012	No worries, bro lol



Hoss	Sep 11 2015, 07:26 PM Post #103
One and Only Posts: 5,448 Group: Admins Member #11 Joined: Jan 23, 2012	I kinda wanna have a Round Table where we all hop on Skype and chat about MGS.



SolidLiquid	Sep 11 2015, 07:34 PM Post #104
Legendary Mercenary Posts: 1,511 Group: Admins Member #5 Joined: Jan 19, 2012	Scotia Sep 11 2015, 07:26 PM I kinda wanna have a Round Table where we all hop on Skype and chat about MGS. That sounds fun. It's hard for me to compare anything to MGS1 and MGS2. MGS2 just feels like the total package when it comes to MGS. I believe it has the best balance of the series. From it visuals, gameplay, narrative, music, characters, theme, etc. Now of course, other entries in the series are superior in some of those categories. MGS3 has WAY better characters and character development. MGS1 has my favorite soundtrack, and had my favorite atmosphere/setting of the series. MGS2 was just ahead of its time and its why I love it so much. MGS1 is still my favorite in the series because of its impact on me as a young lad. And MGS2 would be nothing without MGS1 because of it being a recreation of Shadow Moses. What I was trying to say about MGSV, is that when the dust settles, opinions will change. MGS2 had people FUCKING LIVID after release. Kojima received death threats because of it. But as the years have passed, I've seen more people praise MGS2 more than ever. I believe similar things will happen with MGSV as time goes by. I still think it's overall narrative is weak compared to MGS standards, but I still love the twist because of what it has done to the fanbase. It's awesome to watch. Venom, I recommend you read this analysis of TPP. I really think it will shed some light. http://europeanextreme.tumblr.com/post/128801653764/tpp-analysis Edited by SolidLiquid, Sep 11 2015, 07:43 PM.



Hoss	Sep 11 2015, 07:53 PM Post #105
One and Only Posts: 5,448 Group: Admins Member #11 Joined: Jan 23, 2012	Dat Solid handin' out that analysis so hard, makin' me think he wrote it. :p



SolidLiquid	Sep 11 2015, 07:54 PM Post #106
Legendary Mercenary Posts: 1,511 Group: Admins Member #5 Joined: Jan 19, 2012	Scotia Sep 11 2015, 07:53 PM Dat Solid handin' out that analysis so hard, makin' me think he wrote it. :p Haha definitely not, I just think it's a fair analysis. I don't agree with several points it makes, but there is some good material within it.



Hoss	Sep 11 2015, 08:27 PM Post #107
One and Only Posts: 5,448 Group: Admins Member #11 Joined: Jan 23, 2012	Solid has a ghost writer, confirmed.



SolidLiquid	Sep 11 2015, 08:28 PM Post #108
Legendary Mercenary Posts: 1,511 Group: Admins Member #5 Joined: Jan 19, 2012	Nah brah. You know nothing, nigga This write-up for MGSV's ending isn't too shabby either http://www.giantbomb.com/metal-gear-solid-v-the-phantom-pain/3030-40796/forums/the-ultimate-ending-discussion-spoilers-1781915/ Edited by SolidLiquid, Sep 11 2015, 08:35 PM.



Maurycy	Sep 11 2015, 09:48 PM Post #109
Johnny Sasaki Posts: 38 Group: Members Member #166 Joined: Sep 9, 2015	SolidLiquid Sep 11 2015, 08:28 PM This write-up for MGSV's ending isn't too shabby either http://www.giantbomb.com/metal-gear-solid-v-the-phantom-pain/3030-40796/forums/the-ultimate-ending-discussion-spoilers-1781915/ Awesome writeup! I think this theory rings the best with how I see the whole thing.
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SolidLiquid	Sep 11 2015, 10:01 PM Post #110
Legendary Mercenary Posts: 1,511 Group: Admins Member #5 Joined: Jan 19, 2012	Same here, it helps comes to terms with the twist. Yes, the pacing of the story was poor at times, but if you give this meta-narrative some thought, you'll come to see how the game hints it at you many times that you're not Big Boss. Also, VENOM READ THIS LOL The significance of Paz is very important to this plot. Remember before you're Venom Snake, you were the medic on that helicopter in GZ. It was YOUR job to find that other bomb, but you never found it. Paz's life was your responsibility. You remembered her saying "there's another in my...". That cutscene showing "you" the medic finding the 2nd bomb never happened. That's your subconscious covering the guilt that you never found the 2nd bomb, halting you from coming to the terms that you never saved her. You hold on to the phantom of her in your memory, the "innocent" Paz that stayed on mother base during the events of PW before she revealed she was a spy. The photos you find, are not for her, but for you. And in the end, it's revealed she's a fragment of your imagination. A false memory created by your subconscious to free yourself from the guilt from the fact that you never found the 2nd bomb inside of Paz. The emotions on Venom's face in that final Paz scene, says it all. He finally remembers that she was never saved, XOF never shot the chopper down. The medic "you" failed to save her. Not sure if that'll change your perspective of the Paz scenes, but that's what she represents. Your resentment to the fact that she died because of your inability to find the second bomb as the medic. Edited by SolidLiquid, Sep 11 2015, 10:02 PM.



Maurycy	Sep 11 2015, 10:08 PM Post #111
Johnny Sasaki Posts: 38 Group: Members Member #166 Joined: Sep 9, 2015	The biggest clue I had for the fact that she simply cannot be alive is a remark, on one of the GZ tapes, where a surgeon who implants the bomb says that he removed some of her internal organs and even is she doesn't die in the explosion she has 24 hours to live tops. I still believed she's real until I stumbled on the information about her being a phantom
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No Place For Hayter	Sep 11 2015, 10:09 PM Post #112
Chico Posts: 83 Group: Members Member #165 Joined: Sep 9, 2015	iExPreZz Sep 11 2015, 12:28 PM I read everything you said with a smile on my face, this quote in particular struck me the most. It would appear to me that Kojima's plan indeed worked, I've read up a lot of explanations of the game's ending and I have to say, in a way it's brilliant. We are the ones who descend into villainy, the rage we felt, the betrayal from the guy who we praised and trusted the most, I wouldn't be surprised if some people even sent death threats to him like they did with MGS2, it's mindblowing how such a thing can affect us in our lives and piss us off so much. I understand it better now, don't get me wrong, I still fucking absolutely hated how it ended, but that's the point Kojima wanted apparently, and seems like it worked perfectly. Spoiler: click to toggle I know this sounds cheesy as fuck, pls don't hurt me And I sure hope for more to come, if this is it, then great, goodjob Kojima, you managed to successfully make most of your fans hate your guts. If not, then we'll see how it plays out then. While I can't appreciate Kojima's writing I disagree on it being any good for TPP. Kojima ruined his game entirely just to make a point? I personally think that is dumb, you don't ruin your entire story to make a point, I have seen that a few times in the past and it is always because the writer threw a fit and wanted to send a message but instead of writing it properly they simply destroyed their entire story to make the point. I personally don't see it as good writing, I see as very poor writing. I don't think Kojima is going to get death threats for this one, it is so stupid people don't even care anymore, it is not like it pissed everyone off, I'm not mad about it, I'm disappointed in the game and Kojima. TPP is an open world game designed to be played hours and hours after you finished the story, but to design a story so the players just simply get pissed and stop playing the game is really stupid and is counter productive to the gameplay portion of the game. That being said, I do see what you like and why, I just don't think it's brilliant, I think it's cheap. I mean Kojima only hurts the fans of the series, anybody who starts at TPP will be lost and think it's just plan stupid and laugh at it. I really want to hear from Kojima mouth himself what he intended with the ending, because honestly I know the ending of TPP will be taken to each corner of the known universe and back, you can interpret it in a million ways. If Kojima has some plan, what is it? what did he intend behind the ending? That's me question.



Maurycy	Sep 11 2015, 10:10 PM Post #113
Johnny Sasaki Posts: 38 Group: Members Member #166 Joined: Sep 9, 2015	Also, the folks on reddit are really turned on for the idea of more content. I've been following it closely and damn, they really come up with neat things but I still don't believe them (although a part of me hopes) https://www.reddit.com/r/metalgearsolid/comments/3kbjuq/spoilerish_somethings_coming_on_911/?sort=new&limit=500
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SolidLiquid	Sep 11 2015, 10:13 PM Post #114
Legendary Mercenary Posts: 1,511 Group: Admins Member #5 Joined: Jan 19, 2012	Don't get your hopes up. As I previously stated, the same shit happened with MGS4. Some stupid update 6 months after the release revealing what happens to Snake. It never happened. He died. lol



No Place For Hayter	Sep 11 2015, 10:27 PM Post #115
Chico Posts: 83 Group: Members Member #165 Joined: Sep 9, 2015	Gatsu Sep 11 2015, 01:45 PM @NP4H Isn't it kind of taboo subject, to include African kids that are being part of some fucked up project by Skull Face, in the Devil's House? But yeah, I think some of the other we were supposed to have are not in the game for some reason. We kind of are playing as Big Boss, because Zero ordered Medic to be done with a perfect "mental copy" of Big Boss. All of his past, CQC technique etc, his mind. Is it possible? I don't know, but it's a game in the end. True that I wanted to play as the original Big Boss too, but they made a perfect doppelganger of him. It seems you hate a lot of this game lol, I didn't have any trouble with Eli for example. He is angry because that's his personality and it gets greater when he realize who Snake is. If it's not clear when, its the latest when Big Boss say "welcome to Outer Heaven". I believe his point in this game was to be the final boss and show us, just how he got to hate his father and Cipher in more detail. The best moments of that was supposed to be Mission 51. I enjoyed having him the game. I'm not sure how fast you played through the game, did you listen to cassette tapes because they have lots of story in them? The longest mission for me maybe took 2 hours, it's not 6 but pretty long. Maybe they were exaggerating with the amount, but it totally depends on how YOU play. As I said to NP4H, AFTER you complete the game you get cassette tapes which includes Zero, Skull Face and others. You get told, that they did a mental copy of Big Boss and Zero started the idea, he trusted Big Boss on Ocelot's care. Copied Big Boss of everything he knows, they had 9 years to do this while Big Boss was in coma too. You can find some answers if think about stuff or play the game well. @All fans, I think many are nitpicking too many things of the game and fail to see how good it is. Sure you have the right to do it after having expecting something else. But imo it's a shame, that after so many years of Kojima and Kojima productions working hard on this and in difficult conditions at the end, their very last MGS game, so many fans call it bullshit. Actually it kind of pisses me off. Is it the best MGS game? No at least storywise, but it still is amazing game. But hey, I'm just one of the millions fans and I don't share same thoughts as some of you :). The game is what it is, there's no changing that so the best thing can do is try enjoy it. It may see I'm slighty angry lol, but I just woke up so I'm sorry :P. Just so many mad comments arghh <(T__T)>. Peace out. Don't mistake me for someone who passes judgement before seeing and hearing all there is. I have heard all cassette tapes in the game, I have seen all of the cutscenes, I have finished most of the game (just developing and side objectives left) and I have been countless days of thought into it. I do not hate the story because I do not understand or know all of it, I do have all the story and I do understand everything that was explained to me. And none of us are nitpicking we are talking about the whole story and its changes and impacts which always leads into the smaller details but I wouldn't call it nitpicking, we are solely talking about the story here, the goods parts lie in the gameplay, though the gameplay itself is amazing, it is under utilized. The reason you see people calling the story bullshit, instead of calling the gameplay amazing is for a lot of reasons, I'm not going to praise something when there are portions I dislike, also I do not talk about gameplay much, the story of a game is what I think about all the time, it is what I put my time and thought into, so when I talk about the game it will be about the story. So that's why you see it a lot, lol. And as for taboo subjects, what you mentioned isn't. It didn't get anyone's attention so it wasn't taboo as nobody batted an eyelash at it, but most importantly, we walked into the devils house and we saw a bunch of tied of children, and as bad as this sounds it isn't taboo because we don't get involved or see the active suffering of the kids, we walk in and there are simply a bunch of kids tied to tables. And as for medic boss, I understand HOW they did it, they just never gave a WHY. And the WHY is why I'm having trouble, because any reason I can think if is stupid and doesn't work or make sense within the story. And of course, Peace V Edited by No Place For Hayter, Sep 11 2015, 10:28 PM.



Maurycy	Sep 11 2015, 10:33 PM Post #116
Johnny Sasaki Posts: 38 Group: Members Member #166 Joined: Sep 9, 2015	SolidLiquid Sep 11 2015, 10:13 PM Don't get your hopes up. As I previously stated, the same shit happened with MGS4. Some stupid update 6 months after the release revealing what happens to Snake. It never happened. He died. lol I can't wait for the timer to stop because regardless of what happens, reading the community reactions will be a blast. Unfortunately I won't be online for the initial blast since it'll be about 2AM for me, but I'll check out the fallout tomorrow :).
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Hoss	Sep 11 2015, 10:34 PM Post #117
One and Only Posts: 5,448 Group: Admins Member #11 Joined: Jan 23, 2012	Dat MGS2. I wish I had my hour-long Vocaroo recording of my thoughts on MGS2 that I posted here 2 years ago, still... Edited by Hoss, Sep 11 2015, 10:34 PM.



No Place For Hayter	Sep 11 2015, 10:38 PM Post #118
Chico Posts: 83 Group: Members Member #165 Joined: Sep 9, 2015	SolidLiquid Sep 11 2015, 07:54 PM Haha definitely not, I just think it's a fair analysis. I don't agree with several points it makes, but there is some good material within it. Yeah, I don't personally agree with anyone saying Big Boss was already evil , Big Boss was already a coward etc etc. I would do everything he has done, but I'm not evil nor am I a coward, one cannot honestly say either of Big Boss. Also about Paz. Yeah her cutscenes are very important for the game. I honestly really hated how they suddenly killed off such an important character in GZ, for not only the fans but also for the narrative and characters Paz and her cutscenes NEEDED to be in TPP, the way she was killed off in GZ I thought was a waste of a great character, but with her story in TPP I now feel satisfied despite it not changing anything, the Paz story in TPP showed how much Big Boss and the others cared for Paz and were hurt by what her did, GZ was missing this acknowledgement, but it is in TPP, and this made me feel satisfied with the whole thing and rounded out her story very well.



Hoss	Sep 11 2015, 10:41 PM Post #119
One and Only Posts: 5,448 Group: Admins Member #11 Joined: Jan 23, 2012	Paz is lucky there's no ''Strangle'' option when you go into her room, as far as I'm concerned...



VicAcid	Sep 11 2015, 10:44 PM Post #120
Psycho Mantis Posts: 480 Group: Members Member #66 Joined: Mar 8, 2013	Finnished it last night. I'm not even mad, just wanted more skullface. Such a lust for revenge.. whoooooooooooooooo And that jeep ride was akward as fuck, such a weird use of sins of the father.



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