| A look back at MGS 4; Discuss MGS 4. | |
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| Topic Started: Feb 17 2012, 01:45 AM (1,588 Views) | |
| Zuben | Feb 28 2012, 10:27 PM Post #21 |
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Yeah, Drebin's the man. Would like to see more of him. |
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| Cartman | Feb 29 2012, 01:01 AM Post #22 |
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It's a little disappointing and strange how codec calls don't seem to change upon story events being revealed. I mean whenever something happened in previous MGS games, you called someone up and you'd likely discuss that new revelation I just called Otacon after finding out about the patriots AI and there's no mention of it. |
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| Nyxus | Feb 29 2012, 02:42 AM Post #23 |
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The lack of CODEC contacts and a lot of conversations was one of the most disappointing things of MGS4 for me. It should have been as Otacon in Shadow Moses for the entire game. |
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| Cartman | Feb 29 2012, 05:04 AM Post #24 |
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Act 3 now, I enjoyed the briefing cutscene for that act. Sunny's past and Naomi bein' a little sneaky I've always loved this cutscene So ridiculously cool and collected, love it. Also love how they don't directly show his face during, coat he's wearing is total boss I'm enjoying the story more now than I were earlier, it's quite gripping. I'm looking forward to the ACT 4 Mission Briefing and the arrival on Shadow Moses. I'm confused about something tho Might've just been me misinterpreting it but Eva said people needed a legend and a hero, and that's why Big Boss was kept alive, but Big Boss wasn't a hero to the public now was he? I'm really not all that up to speed with MG1 and MG2 but I'm pretty sure he's the bad guy there (I do know that there are revelations that reveal he's not really bad in that sense but I mean in the eyes of the public.. and even to us at the time being) I'm guessing it could mean to the people that knew the truth behind his past or whatever, or just generally people that believe in a "Outer Haven" So as I said, could, and probably is, that I misinterpreted it Edited by Cartman, Feb 29 2012, 06:34 AM.
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| Nyxus | Feb 29 2012, 11:42 AM Post #25 |
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Glad you're enjoying it more now! And yeah, that part is a bit vague, I think Big Boss was mostly a symbol for Zero himself, but I'm not entirely sure about that part either. |
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| Zuben | Feb 29 2012, 02:38 PM Post #26 |
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Grandma-EVA sucked anyway, I felt her writing was overdramatic. |
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| Cartman | Feb 29 2012, 06:03 PM Post #27 |
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I have a hard time taking her scenes serious whenever her code name is brought up "Big Mama" sounds retarded, couldn't they just have called her Eva? I mean it sounds incredibly stupid. Character really is nothing like Eva was in MGS3, I guess she was needed to explain the past, but meh. Anyways, finished ACT 3 now, dat finale |
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| gamerstation151 | Feb 29 2012, 07:28 PM Post #28 |
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After i completed the game i searched Google for the total length of cut-scenes in MGS4. And it's 8 hours!? What the hell, i never even noticed all of that time pass. That just shows the quality of the cut-scenes. Perhaps for the non-MGS fan it isn't that entertaining because they are probably totally confused. Perhaps thats why it gets so many complaints. But I often say "If you fully invest yourself into Metal Gear. What you get from it will be infinite." What do you guys think of the cut-scenes? |
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| SolidLiquid | Feb 29 2012, 08:21 PM Post #29 |
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Absolutely fantastic cutscenes in MGS4. Beautifully directed, great camera angels and shots. Unreal transition from cutscene to gameplay in real-time. |
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| gamerstation151 | Feb 29 2012, 08:28 PM Post #30 |
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Yes! The cut-scenes are better than most movies IMO. Towards the end I was a bit like "This is a funny camera angle" "Oh wait I'm playing now!" |
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| Cartman | Feb 29 2012, 08:34 PM Post #31 |
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Shadow Moses is really great, the cutscene back in Otacon's old office is great, probably one of the best ones in the game. There's just something innocent about Shadow Moses, looking at the offices, all the stuff left there, just gives you a fuzzy feeling inside. I'm pretty sure I've discovered a plot hole though. They discuss Rex's location and then they go into what Washington did with the Rex and Mei Ling basically says that the people that knew about it (Baker, Darpa Chief) died. She goes onto say that by the time it was over it was as if nothing had ever happened, and whatever data was left was either falsified or erased Either way, that doesn't make any sense at all does it? Ocelot leaked the details of Rex to the world, Natasha wrote "In the Darkness of Shadow Moses" the events were hardly a secret, and Rex of all things certainly were not. Doesn't make any sense Here's the clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=rPsDjOWyAZI#t=64s |
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| SolidLiquid | Feb 29 2012, 08:44 PM Post #32 |
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MGS4 does have a few plot holes here and there, but I take it for what it is. Kojima had so much to cover up and explain in MGS4. Is it a good excuse? No, but it is what it is. |
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| Cartman | Feb 29 2012, 09:08 PM Post #33 |
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It's a pretty blatant thing to screw up, tbh. Not sure how that made it in the game, but oh well. Just did the Crying Wolf battle, great one, a bit easy though, she could've been more aggressive. It physically hurts me not being able to pet the wolves in that area, I wish you could press the action button and just give them a pat on the head and give them a treat. Well finished it now. I enjoyed the story more this time. The ACT 5 briefing and getting them onto Outer Haven was ridiculously epic I have to say, quite the nice build up to a climax, pretty fucking tense. It's still my least favorite story in the series and sometimes it's quite weird and I still don't like Liquid Ocelot, I find him a confusing bad guy, he's not Ocelot (At least not at mind) and he certainly isn't Liquid, it's hard to place him somewhere. In MGS2 we at least had Ocelot around, you could place him somewhere, it was Ocelot having troubles with Liquid and whenever he came through it was easier to accept.. I do like the GW / JD struggle and it's an interesting "bad guy" and plot. I never liked Big Boss' "Zero to 1, to 2 to 100, to nothing" speech, I can never tell if he's overcomplicating a very simple explanation or simply trying to oversimplify a complicated explanation. He keeps rambling about Zero and all that and how they need to go back to nothing, I'm not sure what bad it would do to have a dying old man spend a few more months shitting himself in a chair.. it has no effect, he's not gonna restart the organization, was it to end the cycle of repeating history? Either way it's put pretty weirdly. But at least I enjoyed it more now, I've been a little harsh on it before, it's an enjoyable story even if it isn't as good as the series past titles. Edited by Cartman, Mar 2 2012, 12:28 AM.
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| Nyxus | Mar 2 2012, 03:06 AM Post #34 |
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Liquid-Ocelot is pretty clearly Liquid, at least that's how I always see it. Not only in his goals and what he says, but also in his body language and way of speaking. Ocelot was always very calm and collected, whereas Liquid is dramatic and theatrical. I do like Big Boss's speech about Zero. What he means there is The Patriots, as a system, and Zero represents it. You could say Zero didn't really have to die because it was out of his hands at that point. But for Big Boss, it had to happen. Everything had to end, so the world would begin anew. That certainly had to include the one who started it all, Zero. It's more symbolic than practical. |
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| Cartman | Mar 2 2012, 03:41 AM Post #35 |
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Well yeah he has the traits and the "BROTHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" But knowing the end outcome, it's just hard to place him. Even when not knowing the real truth it's a bit awkward, I never thought of him as the Liquid from shadow moses, for me to see him I need the whole package, the blonde hair, the badass Foxhound coat, the voice.. I mean in MGS2 he was there but he had a pretty small part, he only appeared twice in the game, the rest was Ocelot so it wasn't really an issue there. I really missed Ocelot in MGS4, whatever MGS game he's in, he always rocks. He is sort of there though, but it isn't his persona, I like the cool and collected genius backstabber badass Ocelot. I really, really hope that this new Metal Gear game being worked on with the "Diamond Dogs" logo as we've seen, I soooooooooooooooooooooooo want Ocelot in this one, I really, really hope they work him into the story somehow. |
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| Zuben | Mar 2 2012, 12:43 PM Post #36 |
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Ocelot did have a pretty stylish way to go, all that "You're pretty good" with the echoes and hand signals and all. I never liked the Liquid Ocelot silliness(the hand and self-hypnosis/whatever both), but that brief moment in the end where he regained his senses before dying was cool. As much as I disliked the Big Boss scene in the very end, I think it was well-done how Zero died. The flashback pictures especially made it, showed Zero when he was still BB's good friend. |
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| Cartman | Mar 2 2012, 05:33 PM Post #37 |
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I have to say after this latest playthrough of MGS4, and it being right after my MGS2 playthrough, I'm even more baffled as to why anyone would like Raiden more here. It annoys me, tbh. It's for such shallow reasons, it literally is just because he's a ninja.. I'm not going back to hating on the game or anything but that part is just frustrating to me |
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| Nyxus | Mar 2 2012, 05:37 PM Post #38 |
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The hate for Raiden in MGS2 was always exaggerated, I've always liked the character. The weird thing is, Raiden is far more 'emo' and 'whiny' in MGS4 than in MGS2. So yeah, it is just because he is a cyborg ninja, people didn't look farther than that apparently. |
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| gamerstation151 | Mar 2 2012, 06:37 PM Post #39 |
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I too prefer Raiden in MGS2. And during my playthrough of MGS4 i had a real hard time working out liquid/ocelot. |
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| Cartman | Mar 2 2012, 06:57 PM Post #40 |
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I more or less hate his dialogue in MGS4, it's pretty awful "It even rained the day I was born" I mean c'mon. At least in MGS2 he held back why he was such a weirdo until the end where he said why and he had some proper reasons to be a fucked up guy, here he's crying because it rained the day he was born, what a bitch. "You're the lightning in that rain" Not what I was looking for with these Snake and Raiden scenes. There is one scene between them I kinda like and it's when Raiden shows up where Snake loses all his health and stamina and he's struggling to stand up, then Raiden shows up and starts walking towards the frogs, and Snake gets his stamina back But generally any scene with Raiden has shit dialogue, it's really overdramatic and cheesy, I don't like it one bit.. His "death" scene when he gets crushed by the Outer Haven ship was kind of nice, with it playing the conversation about how he met Rose, but then again he recovered from that super fast so it kind of lost it's meaning.. and it is stupid how he was holding back that ship, lol... looks really silly and kind of kills the dramatic tension |
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