Cartman

Mar 19 2012, 07:36 PM

I definitely understand that, it fits the PSP and all, I can understand that even if I don't fancy it all that much, but he said it's an evolution for the series, which it hardly is.

Cartman

Mar 19 2012, 07:27 PM

I don't think you've realized what I mean when I say I don't like the way it plays.

I hardly think a mission based campaign is an evolution for the series, if anything it's it's the complete opposite. You're coming back to MGS2 again, I'm not saying I need another game to play like MGS2, what I want in an MGS game is a good setting, Shadow Moses, Tanker, Plant, MGS3's jungle. These were great settings, you weren't just running in a straight line through the game, you spent time in these bases and that's something I like in these games, they had great settings, you were put in them to infiltrate and do your sneaky shit and I KNOW PW is set in ONE location, but it's still based on missions, structured around that, back and forth between a mission, how the fuck is that an evolution for the series?

Cartman

Mar 19 2012, 07:50 PM

I'm fine with how how they're changing controls for the series, the over the shoulder of whatever, I don't dislike that aspect. I'd just rather we get an MGS game that plays similarly to the first 3, in terms of setting that is. RPG elements to you might be an evolution, but I can't say I get the appeal for it in metal gear titles, because it was never about that.

Cartman

Mar 19 2012, 07:50 PM

but I can't say I get the appeal for it in metal gear titles, because it was never about that.

Cartman

Mar 19 2012, 08:02 PM

Yeah, it's very much about that. I'm not saying Metal Gear is a strict stealth game. It's more of a surreal action stealth badassery type game, you can go kill all the people you want if you want, you very much control the pacing yourself of the gameplay.

That hasn't changed, but I'm just saying that I can't say I'm looking for RPG elements in an mgs game.. Some things they've gone more "in depth" with in the series has just ended up totally killing the feel for it. Like MGS4 and the Drebin Store, I'm sure a lot of fans would call that evolving the series, more in depth weapon customization, more weapons, more errtthing.. but what it did was just kill the feel for weapons, gave you infinite ammo more or less, I mean lets face it, you can't run out of ammo in MGS4, there's no way you're ever gonna find yourself in the situation where you can't afford more ammo if you happen to run out

This is one example of where "evolving" is just killing a feel for something. I'm don't wanna come off as some faggot that would only accept future titles that play exactly like MGS1 and MGS2, I don't need that to be the case, but I'm just saying maybe not all of these "improvements" are actually improving the experience.

Matieo10

Mar 19 2012, 08:01 PM

Cartman

Mar 19 2012, 07:50 PM

but I can't say I get the appeal for it in metal gear titles, because it was never about that.

Nostalgia is nice, but you can't keep living in the past. And that's not to say that Rising will now take over and define the Metal Gear series - it's to say that if you're as passionate about Metal Gear as you like to think you are, then surely you can appreciate thinking outside the box as much as the creator of the series has.

Boxcawk

Mar 19 2012, 08:44 PM

I'm still sad that it's set after MGS4 though, I really want to know why and how he turned into Gray Fox

Nyxus

Mar 19 2012, 10:14 PM

Boxcawk

Mar 19 2012, 08:44 PM

I'm still sad that it's set after MGS4 though, I really want to know why and how he turned into Gray Fox

Yes, that's something that disappointed me, I thought having the game set between MGS2 and MGS4 was a good idea. But this is how Platinum Games wanted it.

baldgye

Mar 19 2012, 10:25 PM

Nyxus

Mar 19 2012, 10:14 PM

Boxcawk

Mar 19 2012, 08:44 PM

I'm still sad that it's set after MGS4 though, I really want to know why and how he turned into Gray Fox

Yes, that's something that disappointed me, I thought having the game set between MGS2 and MGS4 was a good idea. But this is how Platinum Games wanted it.

I can't imagine any story they would have crafted would have been cannon anyways so this way i guess it dsnt really matter

gamerstation151

Mar 19 2012, 11:12 PM

I wouldn't want Platinum doing the events between mgs2-4
I still feel that would be a great Kojima game.

baldgye

Mar 19 2012, 07:39 PM

Cartman

Mar 19 2012, 07:27 PM

I don't think you've realized what I mean when I say I don't like the way it plays.

I hardly think a mission based campaign is an evolution for the series, if anything it's it's the complete opposite. You're coming back to MGS2 again, I'm not saying I need another game to play like MGS2, what I want in an MGS game is a good setting, Shadow Moses, Tanker, Plant, MGS3's jungle. These were great settings, you weren't just running in a straight line through the game, you spent time in these bases and that's something I like in these games, they had great settings, you were put in them to infiltrate and do your sneaky shit and I KNOW PW is set in ONE location, but it's still based on missions, structured around that, back and forth between a mission, how the fuck is that an evolution for the series?

I was refering to the gameplay since you said 'you didn't like how it plays' which sounds like you didn't like the way the controlls allowed you to play the game.

Peace Walker was a portable game, right? You know that it was designed around the PSP?
Right so I don't know if you played Portabl Ops but Peace Walker basically took on the idea's and misstion structure of MGS3/4... moving from location to location and through jungle bases as well as being a portable system and broke it up into levels (like MGS3 did), except in these loading screens you can jump back to your main base and do some of the RPG things the game adds to the series.
Adding RPG and leveling mechanics to MGS is what I would call an evolution, and the way it was structured was designed around the fact it was a portable game. If you want to play PW like a typical MGS title you can with ease, you just do the main ops missions.
But by doing so you miss out on PW's genious and how it could help evolve the series in the future.

I personally think that Peace Walker is one of the better MGS titles, it has so much more than just stealth action in it, it has a proper full story, it has proper stealth and it also has all kinds of extra mechanics hidden and secret gems etc etc... sure its not perfect, but in the future if Kojima adds level systems to guns and suit items etc in future MGS games, thats something I look forward to.