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MGS/Kojima News Thread; Thread for smaller Kojima related news that doesn't fit in the other threads
Topic Started: Apr 12 2012, 12:02 PM (7,666 Views)
baldgye	Mar 21 2013, 06:57 PM Post #201
BANNED Posts: -8,383,597 Group: Admins Member #2 Joined: Jan 18, 2012	Scotia Mar 21 2013, 06:55 PM Splinter Cell isn't dark, lol. ofc it is, why else would the lead character always wear night vision goggles
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Hoss	Mar 21 2013, 06:58 PM Post #202
One and Only Posts: 5,448 Group: Admins Member #11 Joined: Jan 23, 2012	baldgye Mar 21 2013, 06:57 PM Scotia Mar 21 2013, 06:55 PM Splinter Cell isn't dark, lol. ofc it is, why else would the lead character always wear night vision goggles Oh u



Brett	Mar 21 2013, 06:58 PM Post #203
Wurmy Posts: 1,792 Group: Admins Member #70 Joined: Mar 15, 2013	Cartman Mar 21 2013, 06:56 PM Scotia Mar 21 2013, 06:53 PM Granted, you don't know PW stuff, either. :p loltrue but I do know they're pals in that game at least. I just really can't overstate, I mean I probably can, I talk about it a lot, how much I want a darker Big Boss in this game, it'd just be fucking great to see that, refreshing to have a protag that isn't the hero, I mean all MGS protags have been flawed and even Solid Snake in MGS1 is a pretty dark dude compared to your regular hero that saves the day shit, but it'd be a lot of fun to actually play as some guy that does despicable shit to achieve his goals think you needa go play assassins creed or devil may cry mate
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Hoss	Mar 21 2013, 07:00 PM Post #204
One and Only Posts: 5,448 Group: Admins Member #11 Joined: Jan 23, 2012	sings Cartman doesn't know Kaz is Miller~ Cartman doesn't know Kaz is Miller~ skips away like a faerie



Nyxus	Mar 21 2013, 07:00 PM Post #205
Administrator Posts: 4,413 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Jan 18, 2012	But it must make sense too, he can't be an all out evil guy all of a sudden, just someone who does what he has to to survive, to create a world he sees as right.



Cartman	Mar 21 2013, 07:00 PM Post #206
Negative Nancy Posts: 844 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: Jan 19, 2012	Hiloxam Mar 21 2013, 06:58 PM think you needa go play assassins creed or devil may cry mate Assassin's Creed? As far as I know you're literally trying to save the world in that game



Brett	Mar 21 2013, 07:03 PM Post #207
Wurmy Posts: 1,792 Group: Admins Member #70 Joined: Mar 15, 2013	Cartman Mar 21 2013, 07:00 PM Hiloxam Mar 21 2013, 06:58 PM think you needa go play assassins creed or devil may cry mate Assassin's Creed? As far as I know you're literally trying to save the world in that game dunno, only ever played the first one for half an hour and got bored.
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Cartman	Mar 21 2013, 07:03 PM Post #208
Negative Nancy Posts: 844 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: Jan 19, 2012	Nyxus Mar 21 2013, 07:00 PM But it must make sense too, he can't be an all out evil guy all of a sudden, just someone who does what he has to to survive, to create a world he sees as right. Yeah, of course I wouldn't want it to be a black/white type thing where he's either good or bad, and that has almost never been the case with MGS antagonists But we definitely need some change where we can actually tell that we're becoming the Big Boss he was known as at one point in time, he can't continue to be this great guy that through a series of unfortunate events just looks bad in the eyes of the public, he has to be portrayed as someone who's not exactly the type of guy you'd wanna be around



Nyxus	Mar 21 2013, 07:05 PM Post #209
Administrator Posts: 4,413 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Jan 18, 2012	Cartman Mar 21 2013, 07:03 PM Nyxus Mar 21 2013, 07:00 PM But it must make sense too, he can't be an all out evil guy all of a sudden, just someone who does what he has to to survive, to create a world he sees as right. Yeah, of course I wouldn't want it to be a black/white type thing where he's either good or bad, and that has almost never been the case with MGS antagonists But we definitely need some change where we can actually tell that we're becoming the Big Boss he was known as at one point in time, he can't continue to be this great guy that through a series of unfortunate events just looks bad in the eyes of the public, he has to be portrayed as someone who's not exactly the type of guy you'd wanna be around Depends on who you'd ask. Remember Sniper Wolf and Naomi? He was a hero to them. I feel like he's been portrayed as someone who is a hero/savior to at least some people since MGS1.



Cartman	Mar 21 2013, 07:07 PM Post #210
Negative Nancy Posts: 844 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: Jan 19, 2012	Hiloxam Mar 21 2013, 07:03 PM Cartman Mar 21 2013, 07:00 PM Hiloxam Mar 21 2013, 06:58 PM think you needa go play assassins creed or devil may cry mate Assassin's Creed? As far as I know you're literally trying to save the world in that game dunno, only ever played the first one for half an hour and got bored. Grand Theft Auto might've been a better example Nyxus Mar 21 2013, 07:05 PM Cartman Mar 21 2013, 07:03 PM Nyxus Mar 21 2013, 07:00 PM But it must make sense too, he can't be an all out evil guy all of a sudden, just someone who does what he has to to survive, to create a world he sees as right. Yeah, of course I wouldn't want it to be a black/white type thing where he's either good or bad, and that has almost never been the case with MGS antagonists But we definitely need some change where we can actually tell that we're becoming the Big Boss he was known as at one point in time, he can't continue to be this great guy that through a series of unfortunate events just looks bad in the eyes of the public, he has to be portrayed as someone who's not exactly the type of guy you'd wanna be around Depends on who you'd ask. Remember Sniper Wolf and Naomi? He was a hero to them. I feel like he's been portrayed as someone who is a hero/savior to at least some people since MGS1. That's true, but still... I certainly wouldn't call Big Boss in his later days a hero It's the same deal as some fans calling Ocelot a hero after the ultimate reveal of what he was doing in MGS4.. that guy was no hero, he was a total sociopath that did some very fucking dark shit through the years Edited by Cartman, Mar 21 2013, 07:17 PM.



Hoss	Mar 21 2013, 07:18 PM Post #211
One and Only Posts: 5,448 Group: Admins Member #11 Joined: Jan 23, 2012	Eh, in terms of Ocelot, some times you have to do bad in order to achieve the good.



Cartman	Mar 21 2013, 07:21 PM Post #212
Negative Nancy Posts: 844 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: Jan 19, 2012	The guy loved torturing people that kind of speaks for what type of dude he was



Nyxus	Mar 21 2013, 07:24 PM Post #213
Administrator Posts: 4,413 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Jan 18, 2012	Solid Snake enjoys killing people, does that make him bad?



Cartman	Mar 21 2013, 07:25 PM Post #214
Negative Nancy Posts: 844 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: Jan 19, 2012	Nyxus Mar 21 2013, 07:24 PM Solid Snake enjoys killing people, does that make him bad? Well at least he's conflicted about it



Nyxus	Mar 21 2013, 07:28 PM Post #215
Administrator Posts: 4,413 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Jan 18, 2012	I think the problem is that people want to categorize the characters as either 'hero' or 'villain'. It's not that simple, not in real life, not in MGS. Big Boss is a character to which both of these terms can be applied, I guess.



Hoss	Mar 21 2013, 07:30 PM Post #216
One and Only Posts: 5,448 Group: Admins Member #11 Joined: Jan 23, 2012	Cartman Mar 21 2013, 07:25 PM Nyxus Mar 21 2013, 07:24 PM Solid Snake enjoys killing people, does that make him bad? Well at least he's conflicted about it Confliction is irrelevant. The love of killing is the love of killing no matter how you look at it.



Cartman	Mar 21 2013, 07:33 PM Post #217
Negative Nancy Posts: 844 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: Jan 19, 2012	Nyxus I think the problem is that people want to categorize the characters as either 'hero' or 'villain'. It's not that simple, not in real life, not in MGS. Big Boss is a character to which both of these terms can be applied, I guess. Yes, but I want to see some of the bad, lol. With Big Boss it feels like we've mostly been shown the good ever since MGS3 and unless Kojima wants to completely retcon his past he has to start showing us his darker side, and by that I of course don't mean turning him into point blank into a villain but we need to start seeing some significant change There's now been 3 BB games counting PO and over the course of those 3 games have been some very, very, very minor instances of him showing his darker self and the ending to PW certainly sounds like it's making good progression at that, but people thought the same thing with the MGS3 ending Feels like it's simply a matter of keeping him likable.. He did some harsh shit to achieve his goals and we need to see that, and he certainly is more of a legend (speaking inside of the MG universe) than people like Solidus, but with Solidus we actually saw someone working towards something good but clearly wasn't a saint himself, now BB might have some good qualities to him but if Kojima is ever gonna show the ballsy Big Boss we know from before he has to start showing the bad, and show it more than some tiny sprinkles here and there That is my opinion at least. And of course we don't need him to turn into a Solidus like figure for the game, that might be a little too much but we certainly need to see some of that, and enough of it to feel that we're clearly not playing the same Jack from MGS3 and PW Edited by Cartman, Mar 21 2013, 07:48 PM.



Nyxus	Mar 21 2013, 08:15 PM Post #218
Administrator Posts: 4,413 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Jan 18, 2012	Big Boss from PW is very different from the one in MGS3. And the character progression they have been giving him so far is good enough if you ask me. I guess he will be a little darker in GZ as well. But yeah, if they retconned him, they did so in MGS1, not MGS3.



Hoss	Mar 21 2013, 08:17 PM Post #219
One and Only Posts: 5,448 Group: Admins Member #11 Joined: Jan 23, 2012	Ffs, Cartman, play PW.



Cartman	Mar 21 2013, 08:19 PM Post #220
Negative Nancy Posts: 844 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: Jan 19, 2012	alrightalrightalright I know I need to, and I will I'm just saying, while I agree that he's no longer a black/white bad guy, for him to be morally ambiguous and all that we need to see both sides, and not have the good side take over the large majority of his personality



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