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The Phantom Pain; Metal Gear Solid V?
Topic Started: Dec 8 2012, 07:22 AM (8,871 Views)
Nyxus	Mar 15 2013, 09:01 PM Post #421
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Hoss	Mar 15 2013, 09:02 PM Post #422
One and Only Posts: 5,448 Group: Admins Member #11 Joined: Jan 23, 2012	Lmfao



Cartman	Mar 15 2013, 09:44 PM Post #423
Negative Nancy Posts: 844 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: Jan 19, 2012	he looks constipated poor Joakim



GiantEnemyCrap	Mar 16 2013, 12:14 AM Post #424
Psycho Mantis Posts: 521 Group: Members Member #28 Joined: Mar 29, 2012	also geoff in the beginning of the episode giggled when he said "i interview moby dick" and grinning like a 12 year old in on a joke lol.
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Hoss	Mar 16 2013, 08:07 PM Post #425
One and Only Posts: 5,448 Group: Admins Member #11 Joined: Jan 23, 2012	Dese CG fingers Oh, and just a little something for Cartman, who says CG can't look that good. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bLiX5d3rC6o This is CG. It's also almost 6 year old technology. At the end, they show the REAL person, but you cannot (keyword) tell which is which even if you take a snap shot of the real person and the CG face from earlier in the video, they are identical. So, yeah, like I previously said CG is, when applied and cared for, indistinguishable from real life now days, and this is 6 years ago... Just sayin', can't say CG doesn't look real. :p Edited by Hoss, Mar 16 2013, 08:14 PM.



Nyxus	Mar 16 2013, 08:07 PM Post #426
Administrator Posts: 4,413 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Jan 18, 2012	GiantEnemyCrap Mar 16 2013, 12:14 AM also geoff in the beginning of the episode giggled when he said "i interview moby dick" and grinning like a 12 year old in on a joke lol. True haha!



Cartman	Mar 16 2013, 08:31 PM Post #427
Negative Nancy Posts: 844 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: Jan 19, 2012	Scotia Mar 16 2013, 08:07 PM Dese CG fingers Oh, and just a little something for Cartman, who says CG can't look that good. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bLiX5d3rC6o This is CG. It's also almost 6 year old technology. At the end, they show the REAL person, but you cannot (keyword) tell which is which even if you take a snap shot of the real person and the CG face from earlier in the video, they are identical. So, yeah, like I previously said CG is, when applied and cared for, indistinguishable from real life now days, and this is 6 years ago... Just sayin', can't say CG doesn't look real. :p I never said that CG can't look realistic, I said the fox engine wouldn't be capable of rendering that very live real person in that interview because it is clearly not cg



Hoss	Mar 16 2013, 08:34 PM Post #428
One and Only Posts: 5,448 Group: Admins Member #11 Joined: Jan 23, 2012	Eh, that's the thing though, they aren't rendering much, if it is CG or in-engine. 90% of his face is covered, leaves a lot of resources that can be pumped into the eyes and mouth. 'Tis why fighting games and racers, and some sports games, look the most realistic out of any other games. Especially racers. There's like jack shit on screen so everything can be dumped into the game's visuals. Plus given how ''tech'' the FOX Engine is, I wouldn't put it past the engine to be able to render something like that. I remember the clothing rendering they showed off a few years back, it's literally real life physics on clothing in a game engine, no game has even done that yet. Never say never. :p Edit: One of my points was you said ''There's CG better than real life?'' which was because you misread something, but I was mainly showing you there's CG that rivals real life, being indistinguishable and all.



Nyxus	Mar 16 2013, 08:36 PM Post #429
Administrator Posts: 4,413 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Jan 18, 2012	Also, Kojima Productions can make 3D scans of people, maybe they used it for this, who knows.



Hoss	Mar 16 2013, 08:37 PM Post #430
One and Only Posts: 5,448 Group: Admins Member #11 Joined: Jan 23, 2012	And, truthfully, we don't know what FOX Engine can or can't do, fully. We haven't been shown it's full capabilities. To say it can't do something without knowing 100% is a bit silly, is all I'm getting at. Nyxus Mar 16 2013, 08:36 PM Also, Kojima Productions can make 3D scans of people, maybe they used it for this, who knows. This, too. Hell, Kojima tweeted about it with a pic of his face. :p Edited by Hoss, Mar 16 2013, 08:37 PM.



Cartman	Mar 16 2013, 08:38 PM Post #431
Negative Nancy Posts: 844 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: Jan 19, 2012	I'm just gonna start assuming from now on that you're trolling about this CG Joakim thing like everybody on /v/ is (I know I said I don't browse it but I did the night of the stream and the day after) Yes I know that if all they have to render is a face then obviously they can pump in many resources into that but it's a real person, love.



Nyxus	Mar 16 2013, 08:38 PM Post #432
Administrator Posts: 4,413 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Jan 18, 2012	Yes, and that could explain the impressive detail on the face. It could be a scan of an actual person. @ Cartman: I don't think Mogren is CG either. But I don't exclude the possibility, on the other hand. Arguments people have made so far make sense, especially the weird editing in the interview (there are only shots of the separate faces of Keighley and Mogren, never together, never another point of view. And the hands on the iPad is a separate shot). Edited by Nyxus, Mar 16 2013, 08:39 PM.



Hoss	Mar 16 2013, 08:41 PM Post #433
One and Only Posts: 5,448 Group: Admins Member #11 Joined: Jan 23, 2012	Cartman Mar 16 2013, 08:38 PM I'm just gonna start assuming from now on that you're trolling about this CG Joakim thing like everybody on /v/ is (I know I said I don't browse it but I did the night of the stream and the day after) Yes I know that if all they have to render is a face then obviously they can pump in many resources into that but it's a real person, love. ...So, I'm just presenting logic to now discount something and you are going to assume I'm trolling... Mkay, bro. If you want to be stubborn like that and just not even be rational, then that's on you. I'm still not saying it's concrete, just presenting logic that points to possibilities. But it's k, bro. It's k. Edited by Hoss, Mar 16 2013, 08:41 PM.



Cartman	Mar 16 2013, 08:43 PM Post #434
Negative Nancy Posts: 844 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: Jan 19, 2012	I literally can't believe how many people there are talking about this CG thing, it's absurd in my eyes All you have to do is apply some logic here, why the hell would he waste time and effort on making the most amazing fucking CG anybody has ever seen, completely undistinguished from the real thing for a 3 minute interview on a garbage tv show that is on a garbage network, that probably doesn't have very good ratings.. It's... a real guy in bandage and the interview shots.. it's not uncommon to have that, I see it all the time



Hoss	Mar 16 2013, 08:45 PM Post #435
One and Only Posts: 5,448 Group: Admins Member #11 Joined: Jan 23, 2012	Cartman Mar 16 2013, 08:43 PM All you have to do is apply some logic here But I am, just logic to possibility. And why does anyone do anything? To accomplish. I could totally see them rendering something and later, at GDC, saying ''Hey, this is what FOX Engine is capable of.'' just to blow minds and showcase their engine. It most likely is a real person, but to rule anything out without concrete evidence is just silly. Even Nyxus understands that... Edited by Hoss, Mar 16 2013, 08:46 PM.



Nyxus	Mar 16 2013, 08:47 PM Post #436
Administrator Posts: 4,413 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Jan 18, 2012	If they use a 3D scanning technique, it might not be that much work, I don't know. And they do it as a sort of marketing stunt. Just to be clear, I don't think he's CG. But I'm not completely excluding the possibility either.



Cartman	Mar 16 2013, 08:48 PM Post #437
Negative Nancy Posts: 844 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: Jan 19, 2012	You're free to think whatever you want, Scotiaboy, I love you either way But I on the other hand find it stupid that people are thinking it's a CG person, and I have now in quite a few posts made clear of why I think it is stupid so we'll just agree to disagree.



Nyxus	Mar 16 2013, 08:49 PM Post #438
Administrator Posts: 4,413 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Jan 18, 2012	But I don't believe anyone here thinks he's CG.



Hoss	Mar 16 2013, 08:49 PM Post #439
One and Only Posts: 5,448 Group: Admins Member #11 Joined: Jan 23, 2012	Nyxus Mar 16 2013, 08:49 PM But I don't believe anyone here thinks he's CG. Ding ding ding.



Cartman	Mar 16 2013, 08:52 PM Post #440
Negative Nancy Posts: 844 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: Jan 19, 2012	alright, false assumption on me there then. But it's almost as stupid to assume that he could be CG because he clearly isn't



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