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| ArchangelBaruch | Apr 27 2014, 02:35 PM Post #1 |
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Let's do this. Also, for the Immunity Pendant: maybe it has to do with the past topic titles? I don't see other clues for the moment. |
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| ROBANN_88 | Apr 27 2014, 02:39 PM Post #2 |
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this leads me to believe that the clues are only now starting |
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| ArchangelBaruch | Apr 27 2014, 02:43 PM Post #3 |
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Strategy 1: Clockblocking. Have Taurus and Scorpio block an hour, by: a) If they are at the Center: Taurus: Hour - Block - Block Scorpio: Hour - Block - Block Gemini: Forward - Forward - Center b) If they are at the hour: Taurus: Center - Hour - Block Scorpio: Block - Center - Hour Gemini: Hour - Block - Center With that, there's no way any other team will score that particular hour (which can be Gemini's starting point, for example). Seeing how Taurus is nearby we can on the first turn Block then move away, Taurus closes in and Scorpio gets on the second movement through Center. We could easily get Dominance that way, but our poor allies would be badly placed. So I await for more ideas before sharing in Chimera. Edited by ArchangelBaruch, Apr 27 2014, 02:51 PM.
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| Dreamwalker | Apr 27 2014, 02:46 PM Post #4 |
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I'm not so sure about that. I gave a few little clues sometimes before I gave in and let people know I was giving clues. |
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| Choco | Apr 27 2014, 02:49 PM Post #5 |
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I think you meant to say "Clockblocking" |
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| ArchangelBaruch | Apr 27 2014, 02:50 PM Post #6 |
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...Sold. |
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| ArchangelBaruch | Apr 27 2014, 02:57 PM Post #7 |
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Actually the more I look my strategy the more I find it solid. We don't want this to become the next Robot chanllenge with people bumping into eachother for no reason. Here's a twist: we only do 11 hours, then switch to Taurus then Scorpio to get their 11 hours, then finish together-ish. The only problem I see is in scenario b) if three teams try to move in our safe space succesively. I think we could only block the first one, then the others would have a free pass. Is there a way to avoid getting into the b) scenario after succesfully completing a)...? |
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| ArchangelBaruch | Apr 27 2014, 03:21 PM Post #8 |
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Hmmm...we need a fourth guy. Say Pisces, for example. Remember, Gemini is the Team turning around. Subsequently replace with all the others when we get 11 hours. Scorpio, Taurus and Pisces are interchangeable except in step 1. Hour is the homebase we want to block; as said above, it would be ideally Gemini's Hour as Taurus is right beside and can get in there in 1 turn. Strategy 2: Unclockable Step 1) Same as above, get a couple in Gemini's hour. Gemini: Block - Block - Center Taurus: Hour - Block - Block Scorpio: Center - Hour - Block Pisces: Irrelevant. Preferably ending in Center, but we can spend this turn building our relationship with them. After this we get in either a) or b). a) Hour is empty. Scorpio: Hour - Block - Block Taurus: Hour - Block - Block Pisces: Block - Hour - Block Gemini: Block - Hour - Block We either get in a), b), c). b) Scorpio and Taurus are in Hour Scorpio: Block - Block - Center Taurus: Block - Block - Center Pisces: Wherever - Center - Hour Gemini: Wherever - Center - Hour We get in either a) or c). c) Gemini and Pisces are in Hour Same as b) but switching Gemini and Pisces by Scorpio and Taurus. We get in either a) or b). That's it. It's unblockable, as whether we are in a) or b) Gemini (and all the others afterwards) can score. And c) pushes us to either a) or b), giving our allies a chance to score. Only defense is if 4 of our enemies decide to do the same, but I doubt there is such an organized group anywhere else. Even Cancer would have trouble getting people to do it fast enough. Thoughts? I think it's our best bet. It will take weeks to pull out, though. Edited by ArchangelBaruch, Apr 27 2014, 03:44 PM.
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| ArchangelBaruch | Apr 27 2014, 03:23 PM Post #9 |
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In an hour or so I'm going to sleep, so in case no discussion happens until then feel free to copy to Chimera. |
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| ArchangelBaruch | Apr 27 2014, 03:34 PM Post #10 |
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HMMMMMMMMM... a) doesn't work yet. Another Team can get in during turn 2 or turn 3. Let me think about it while I iron some shirts, brb. |
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| ArchangelBaruch | Apr 27 2014, 03:39 PM Post #11 |
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Also, if you can't block in Center this could be a bit more complicated for a)that it already is. |
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| ArchangelBaruch | Apr 27 2014, 03:48 PM Post #12 |
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Nope, can't think of anything. Just switched Gemini's entry into Hour from 3rd round to 2nd so that the chances of somebody getting in are lower. Yet, it isn't zero. Also another problem: what if when Gemini goes Wherever gets blocked? That means we can't execute the rest of the plan. ...Which means we would need a fifth ally. And it still doesn't solve the problem with a). It would be a piece of cake with us being a six-way allance, but that's too much I guess. |
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| ArchangelBaruch | Apr 27 2014, 03:51 PM Post #13 |
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Actually, seeing how 6th person gets Safety it could be done. In exchange for helping us, we can offer them Safety, almost 100% sure. We would need Dream's mad negotiating skillz to do it though. |
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| ArchangelBaruch | Apr 27 2014, 04:31 PM Post #14 |
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So, let's formalize this silly 6-way alliance... I'm going to suppose that cryptic Machete answer to "can we block in the Center" was "yes". Strategy 3: Half-time Team A is the one turning around, Teams B-F support. When A gets to 11 hours, the one who turns around switches. To make the endgame less painful, all 6 of us should have the same hour left as last. Also, it should be the one to the other side of Hour (we will call it End) Hour is A's starting point (we need at least one B-F to start beside A. Which is why Gemini/Taurus works). 1) A in Hour, everyone else elsewhere except B who is to the side of A. A: Block - Block - Center B: Hour - Block - Block C: Center - Hour - Block D: Block - Center - Hour E: Block -Center - Hour F: Whatever From here we can end in a) or b) a) Hour is empty B/C: Hour - Block - Block D/E: Block - Hour - Block A/F: Block - Block - Hour (or replace first with Center if they were somewhere else scoring) We can end in a) or b) b) Two non-A teams in Hour, rest in Center (as to not confuse them with the above and for simplicity, let's call them Z and X, the other 3 non- A teams being X,W and V) Y/Z: Block - Block - Center W/X: Block - Block - Hour A/V: SCORE - FORWARD - FORWARD (potentially 3 points won for each) We can end in a) or b). Then, for switching we can do it on a) or b), easily. If A and V are scoring: Replace first Block or Score with Center, then switch with D or E. End Round (let's suppose F is the one scoring) From b) Z: Block -Block - End Y: Block - End F: Center or Block - Hour - Block X: Block - Block - Hour W/V: Elsewhere bothering people Then, depending on how it went continue hitting Hour and End with the whole team (to be discussed later) From a) Execute a) as well as possible while getting one or two teams on End per turn. We want to get into b) as it is a better position to block other teams from getting Hour, in case they already have 11 points (to be discussed later) ...Phew. That's it. We only need 3 more allies to be lured by a strategy that can almost 100% guarantee Safety. And now I'm going to sleep, as I am dead tired and talking to myself for the past hour may have made you think that I am (more) crazy. G'night. |
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| Kirbymuncher | Apr 27 2014, 06:28 PM Post #15 |
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This doesn't actually defend the hour with perfect success. If there are at least 3 teams, each of which tries to enter the hour at a different move, the last one will get in. In addition, you cannot block in the middle space, which means both Gemini and Pisces would have to start the turn adjacent to the desired hour. I'll think more on this but I think the best thing to do is group up, all allies together, and just move around the board in a chain. The front of the chain can hopefully bump people out of the way. Edit: I didn't see the other stuff when I wrote this, but gave it a quick look and you still have strategies relying on blocking while in the center which is against the rules Edited by Kirbymuncher, Apr 27 2014, 06:29 PM.
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| Dreamwalker | Apr 27 2014, 07:17 PM Post #16 |
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Got some grading to do for tomorrow, but that statement stood out. I'm not sure what skills you're talking about. |
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| Dreamwalker | Apr 27 2014, 08:01 PM Post #17 |
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We have a good chance of getting Shame this challenge, unfortunately. If Inception blocks us and is the only one to perform a block, then we get Shame basically. I mean he might get nothing, but it may be worthwhile to them to get rid of 2 of our actives while only sacrificing 1 of their inactives. However, Cora is saying that although blocking is a valid strategy they don't want to Kamikaze and don't want to be blocked themselves. So I'm hoping Inception will only hope we head towards Aries or something and get them to block us, and meanwhile we can follow along behind Inception.. or something like that. Actually I have no clue how this is going to work out. We need more quicktopic access. |
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| ArchangelBaruch | Apr 27 2014, 10:37 PM Post #18 |
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Machete said it was OK. I think. As for your strategy: anyone coming from the center can disrupt the train. And once it hits the center it will be difficult to pull it back. But it uses less Teams than mine. |
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| Kirbymuncher | Apr 28 2014, 06:35 AM Post #19 |
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Oh, interesting, I saw he said you weren't allowed and didn't think he'd contradict himself in less than 50 posts. The train doesn't completely fall apart if someone comes from the center, because either 1 person will come (which means no issue) or 2 people will come, in which case that part of the train sacrifices itself to bump them both back to the center. I don't think it's foolproof, mainly because this challenge is super crowded and building a foolproof strategy will be very difficult without a large number of teams, which I'm sure you noticed |
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| ArchangelBaruch | Apr 28 2014, 07:06 AM Post #20 |
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Yeah, considering that each team has a 33% chance of going backward/forward/block, we have around 10% chance of being fully countertrained when we'll be together. I'd say that's fine. |
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| ROBANN_88 | Apr 28 2014, 12:42 PM Post #21 |
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seems like you got it covered. more cooks=bad soup and all that, so i'll just stay out of it for now |
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| Kirbymuncher | Apr 28 2014, 03:16 PM Post #22 |
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Well it didn't seen to be a popular plan on the team forum (because it reveals our alliance) so feel free to keep suggesting things |
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| Dreamwalker | Apr 28 2014, 08:44 PM Post #23 |
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"more cooks=bad soup" I've never heard this before, but I think I might start finding opportunities to say it now. |
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| ROBANN_88 | Apr 29 2014, 07:58 AM Post #24 |
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you've never heard that before? i thought it was commonly known. very rarely used, cause there's not often a reason to bring up, but still commonly known |
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| Kirbymuncher | Apr 29 2014, 08:33 AM Post #25 |
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The expression is usually phrased "Too many cooks spoil the broth" I also thought it was a fairly well known expression |
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| Dreamwalker | Apr 29 2014, 09:10 AM Post #26 |
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Well, maybe I'm just ignorant and/or forgetful, but I don't recall hearing it before. |
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| radman9000 | Apr 29 2014, 09:18 AM Post #27 |
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I'll be without home internet for a few days so im stuck on my phone. I'm also having a hard time understanding our strategy on this |
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| ArchangelBaruch | Apr 29 2014, 10:52 AM Post #28 |
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Machete too apparently. Minus the phone part.
All aboard the Choo Choo Train! Basically we turn counterclockwise one after the other, like this: X X X > Considering that going through the Center isn't attractive, chances are other Teams will only move laterally or Block. We don't care about those behind us, just those in front of us. Supposing no other alliances are afoot, each Team has say 1/3 of chances to choose one of the above: - If they Block, the head of the train is screwed if the person behind the blocker moves counterclockwise. But even so, the train can continue to move and the bumped Team can rejoin the tail of the train in the next turn. - If they go clockwise, they are fleeing us so yippee. They may even trigger a block on the front which would help us. - If they go counterclockwise, as long as there aren't any blockers or people jumping in from the center we should harmless cross. So yeah, basically turn around getting as many points as possible, then maybe switching strategies when only a couple spots are left. |
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| Dreamwalker | Apr 30 2014, 08:11 AM Post #29 |
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Jet sent me a PM asking if we could agree not to screw each other over in this challenge. He proposed that we could go 3 counterclockwise while Sagittarius goes 3 clockwise. Since we were already planning to go 3 counterclockwise, that sounds great, and I might as well send in my PM. I suppose it's possible he's lying, but Libra seemed to even be entertaining the idea of waiting a turn, so I think we'll be safe one way or another. I'll go agead and send in our 3 counterclockwise move. |
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| Kirbymuncher | May 2 2014, 07:30 AM Post #30 |
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http://i.imgur.com/zvUopyl.png poor scorpio :/ Aquarius and Capricorn are almost guaranteed to tie for first place, while I think only one of Gemini+Libra can manage first since Sagittarius could easily ruin our plans |
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| Dreamwalker | May 2 2014, 01:12 PM Post #31 |
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Jet has told me Sagittarius won't be blocking. They just want to move straight towards finishing. |
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| ArchangelBaruch | May 2 2014, 01:14 PM Post #32 |
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Well, Libra doesn't know that. So hopefully we have scared them into going to the center with all the talk in the topic. Wonder how the tiebreaker will take place. Edited by ArchangelBaruch, May 2 2014, 01:15 PM.
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| ArchangelBaruch | May 2 2014, 01:18 PM Post #33 |
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Nevermind: -If there are still ties with all of these parameters considered, there will be a tiebreaker question in which the closest without going over will win. I swear to God, if we have to count small items on a bag/surface/Minecraft picture again... |
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| Choco | May 2 2014, 01:24 PM Post #34 |
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I forgot we had an ally on Sag. Thank God (Dream). |
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| Choco | May 2 2014, 01:24 PM Post #35 |
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I was thinking of BB/Survivor trivia so shut up, I'd love to count small items |
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| Dreamwalker | May 2 2014, 02:29 PM Post #36 |
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If the tie-breaker is archived topic space, we'll win. I've archived all the topics on my computer. |
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| ROBANN_88 | May 2 2014, 02:59 PM Post #37 |
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would he do a simple "i'm thinking of a number, guess it"?
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| Dreamwalker | May 2 2014, 03:05 PM Post #38 |
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He will if I kill him. Oh, sorry, I meant the converse of my above statement. |
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| Dreamwalker | May 2 2014, 03:22 PM Post #39 |
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Well, Jet is an odd one. In control of his team but in control of nothing because his team is a Cancer puppet. Re: Agree to not screw each other over in this challenge? Incepti0n's making us block you. He said he just wants to stop you from winning, and that Capricorn's just gonna take safety from whoever has the most inactives if they win, so it's not a problem if they win this challenge. I'd do what I did last time, but I don't want to cross Incepti0n again in case he tries to get rid of me too. I'd rather wait until he can be eliminated to let my double crossing be known. Sent by: Jet_the_hawk79 on 5/2/2014 5:18:29 PM EDIT: Trying to influence Libra to block now before moving forward. We'll see in their quicktopic if that has any effect. Edited by Dreamwalker, May 2 2014, 03:33 PM.
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| ArchangelBaruch | May 2 2014, 04:11 PM Post #40 |
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Wait. If he's the de facto leader of Sag, and he's with us... ...Why doesn't he just say "FUCK YOU INCEPTION" and come to our alliance? It's not like Cancer will hit them if they win, they'd rather attack us. |
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| Dreamwalker | May 2 2014, 04:30 PM Post #41 |
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Because his team could overrule him by sending additional submissions. And also because they could vote him out whenever they next had to vote someone out, if they thought he wasn't in line with them. Anyway, Link seemed receptive to my message and relayed it (about 90% correctly) to Libra, so we'll see what they end up doing with that. |
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| Kefiroth | May 2 2014, 06:14 PM Post #42 |
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Sorry I haven't been around much recently, guys. I've been very busy with work and other real life stuff (which until recently had been a rarity for me). I apologize for not being any help at all with this challenge, and it's really no use for me to try to pick it up this late. I'll do my best to contribute what I can for whatever lies ahead. Edited by Kefiroth, May 2 2014, 06:14 PM.
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| Choco | May 3 2014, 02:23 AM Post #43 |
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Libra seems to like our suggestion. Awesome. I imagine Shock will be pissed when he sees their QT being all pro-Gemini but if his team has any brains at all they won't let his pro-Cancer stance ruin the plan. |
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| Dreamwalker | May 3 2014, 11:05 AM Post #44 |
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Shock still hasn't shown up, but Link talked to me on Steam just now: Link43130: Hey, just got back from running some errands, did anyone contact you from Libra yet? Dreamwalker: no. shock hasn't even been online in over a day now, I think Dreamwalker: there's still some hours left on the timer though, but yeah, it would be nice to hear back Link43130: We're voted on it and decided to go forward with the plan. Link43130: We won't go forward on turn one so you guys can get through and if/when you win dominance steal safety from any team other than us. Dreamwalker: Okay. That works for us. Link43130: Cool. Sorry no one contacted you guys until now. I told them anyone could. Dreamwalker: make sure shock knows the plan so he doesn't submit something else Dreamwalker: or, if he may have already submit something, make sure he corrects before machete updates (just covering all my bases here) Link43130: Will do. |
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| Choco | May 3 2014, 12:30 PM Post #45 |
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dream = leader of libra confirmed |
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| ArchangelBaruch | May 3 2014, 12:34 PM Post #46 |
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He has influenced directly or indirectly in the past: -Taurus -Scorpio -Capricorn -Libra -Sagittarius -Pisces He's like that one Metallica song. |
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| ArchangelBaruch | May 3 2014, 06:12 PM Post #47 |
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lol tiebreaker Should you send him a printscreen of your archived topics, Dream? |
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| Kefiroth | May 3 2014, 06:13 PM Post #48 |
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Probably best to just answer the question. >_> Good thing Dream is so obsessive about archiving. :P Also, I kind of hope hope Cancer gets safety just so we can steal it. lol |
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| Kirbymuncher | May 3 2014, 07:59 PM Post #49 |
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Yeah dream I'll let you handle this one could probably find the answer on lurkerfaqs though |
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| Dreamwalker | May 3 2014, 11:17 PM Post #50 |
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I put everything in the next post so it's at the start of a new page.
Edited by Dreamwalker, May 4 2014, 12:05 AM.
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