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Topic Started: May 21 2014, 02:17 AM (601 Views)
Dreamwalker
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So, the plan on Chimera (actually not devised by me this time) seems to be to split our players 7-7-7 between the three teams, meaning that 2 Geminis would have to go to Taurus.

The idea makes sense because 7 will surely be a majority on each team, so we'll have plenty of non-Chimera people to vote out in the event we lose challenges. But I worry there is a significant risk to the 2 Gemini people who would go over to Taurus. Let's say Taurus loses a few times. What happens when they get down to 7 players? There would be 5 Taurus people and 2 Gemini people, so the Gemini people might be easy targets to vote out. With that in mind, I'm not sure any of us would want to go to Taurus.

Also, I feel like if we split up Gemini then the 2 people who move to Taurus would feel less like Gemini. Our 9 player advantage would be ruined if our unity is lost.

So I don't really know what to do. I guess Cody's the guy who has to figure out what to do anyway, not me. ;)
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Cody, Jet (from Sag) doesn't think he'd be able to sabotage any kind of Neo-Cancer, so he seems interested in joining us.

Just something to consider. He seems loyal and we could always vote him out in 10th place (if we have all 9 Geminis on neo-Gemini) or 8th place (if we only have 7 Geminis on neo-Gemini). Of course, by 10th and 8th place I mean within neo-Gemini, not within the Epic Struggle as a whole.
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I am here and open to suggestions.
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Yeah, throw in Jet after all the alliance members. I mean, it's not my choice to make, but I approve of the idea. After all, we have to throw in every player at some point in the list.
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I agree, I wouldn't necessarily pick him if we were limited to like, 15 choices, but considering that everyone needs to be picked he seems better than a lot of other choices
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Choco
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If Neo-Scorpio can stay Ex-Gemini-free, we should make sure it does.
Edited by Choco, May 21 2014, 08:08 AM.
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If at all possible, I'd like to stay with Gemini.
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Okay, so Jet's actually saying now he doesn't want to join neo-Gemini because he's worried he'd be voted out early because he's not Gemini. He says some of the inactive people might be thankful to him for saving them and so they'd keep him in the game.

But I think those worries might be under the assumption that all 9 of us are staying together. He might not worry as much if only 7 Geminis are here and then he gets drafted.

Btw, should we worry about which element each team gets? Do you think that the actual teams will have any kind of rock-paper-scissors advantage over other teams, or are the elements in name only?
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Choco
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We should pick Diamond.
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Dreamwalker
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You're never going to let that go, will you?
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Choco
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Well I still haven't watched Frozen so I don't know how.
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Choco
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Jet tarnished my "s*** CE says" topic. Let's put him on our team and then promptly vote him out
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i would like to stay on Gemini if at all possible
Edited by ROBANN_88, May 21 2014, 01:33 PM.
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Choco
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we could just give them matt. not like he'd notice
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I think Matt wants to stay on my team. Also, it would look weird for another team to want to claim Matt. And I feel like our full 9 are more likely to stay til the Second Merge if Matt is with mostly Gemini people. If we put him on Taurus, they might see him being less active and decide to vote him out before some non-Chimera addition.

But if he really has to be one to move, I guess that's okay.

If any two people want to volunteer to move, please let Chimera know. It would feel awkward for me to tell them directly who's moving.

EDIT: Well that was quick. Looks like Baruch and Kirby will be departing from us. Maybe we'll meet up again in the second merge, unless it's random, in which case some of us will meet up and some won't.
Edited by Dreamwalker, May 21 2014, 03:19 PM.
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Yeah, don't think I'm deserting you guys or anything. I just think it's a nice gesture for the alliance as a whole if we are a little enthusiastic about these exchange player plans instead of just leaving the invitation hanging

On that note, if we have 5 teams, that means probably only 2 can have safety in any given challenge? What's going to happen with the alliance then?
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radman9000

Hmmm 1 dominance, 2 safety, 1 shame... Our alliance is going to have to make a lot of compromises to survive
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We can alternate the team that gets its Safety stolen.

I think the point of controlling a majority of the teams is so we don't get Shame. And the point of having a weak majority on each team is so we have people to vote off whenever we get nothing or a stolen safety.

There is a downside to us having 7 instead of 9 gemini on neo-gemini. If we do get Shame, we might lose a gemini at the same time as a non-gemini. However, I think the pros outweigh the cons, and we're already on the path of 7-7-7 split anyway.

This is, of course, assuming that Mayochete is still even doing Dominance and Shame. He did say that they were "no more" recently. Idk if that means they can or can't come back.

We're Gemini. If something unexpected happens, we can roll from it and boune back.
Edited by Dreamwalker, May 21 2014, 06:55 PM.
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Alright, he is a rough, rough draft before I call it a night. Tomorrow I'll post a better draft in Chimera once I've had some sleep. Please feel free to give your input, I would love to hear it.

TEAM TERRA

ACTIVE
DreamwaIker- GEMINI
Eponalove/Choco- GEMINI
Ex-Kefiroth- GEMINI
ROBANN_88 – GEMINI
radman9000 - GEMINI
matt314hew- GEMINI
ArchangelBaruch- GEMINI(X)
kirbymuncher- GEMINI(X)
Jet_the_hawk79- SAGITTARIUS
teepan95- PISCES
cf is best- PISCES
MrBombasticaI- ARIES
pronouncemyname- ARIES
Nichtcrawler X- SAGITTARIUS
dowolf- LIBRA
Fieryterminator- LIBRA
Iauakua- LIBRA
Link43130- LIBRA
OwlRammer- LIBRA
ToasterStrudeI- LIBRA
SpikeDragon- CANCER
MidnightAtVenus- AQUARIUS
Number_0ne- AQUARIUS
BillyButthurt- AQUARIUS
ThePirateKirby- CANCER
TheShadowMan683- CANCER
Dragon66116- TAURUS(X)
FvP- TAURUS(X)
Mannequin Depressive- TAURUS(X)
Popcorn_Fairy- TAURUS(X)
Terra Ghaleon- TAURUS(X)
auron1213- SCORPIO(X)
Cocainius- SCORPIO(X)
dj-izzle- SCORPIO(X)
hapexamendios69- SCORPIO(X)
Ringworm- SCORPIO(X)
Swiftblade09- SCORPIO(X)
DrCoolJamzl- LEO(X)
mohomad- LEO(X)
Napoleon Too- LEO(X)
EpicMickeyDrew- VIRGO(X)
Harvest-Ty- VIRGO(X)
Traptin3days- VIRGO(X)
INCEPTI0N- CANCER

LIMBO
Dahaka66- CAPRICORN
wickedmystic13- LIBRA
Raka_Putra- ARIES
Amplefy- ARIES
toonsage- CANCER
AndShock- LIBRA
th3fallenangel- CAPRICORN
PuddingBoy- LIBRA
TranA32- CAPRICORN
Scarecrow1711- LIBRA
kirbypikachuhat- VIRGO
deanshow- TAURUS
DOEY9992- TAURUS
NitroFlauger- TAURUS
ThatPersonGuy- TAURUS
JakePotter480- CANCER

OPHIUCHUS
Achromatic
Tropic_Sunset
Shadow2Life
Ice_Scorpio
unsthable
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Kirbymuncher
May 21 2014, 05:40 PM
I just think it's a nice gesture for the alliance as a whole if we are a little enthusiastic about these exchange player plans instead of just leaving the invitation hanging
We are blood brothers with Taurus now.
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Cody11533
May 21 2014, 09:09 PM
Please feel free to give your input, I would love to hear it.
While Terra is cool, I'm also fine with Quake. Or pretty much any other name as long as it doesn't sound fancier than Inferno and Vortex, because we don't want our name to be attention-grabbing. "Cancer" was very attention-grabbing, and that was bad for them.

I love that I'm first on your list. The rest of the Gemini stuff looks fine too.

Getting into the next section, I'm ambivalent about Jet. He seems worried about being on our team because he thinks somehow he should have priority over some of our actual Gemini people because he's put his neck out for us. He said he at least wanted to be ranked above the people who just joined Gemini because they liked the name, to which I replied that only Weezy was in that category and he was promptly eliminated in Week 1. So anyway, maybe Jet will work out, maybe he won't. I guess for lack of a better person to put high on the list in the non-limbo section, he's fine.

I don't think Pisces should be so high. They're more likely to conspire with Libra or Cancer than the other nobody-teams, I think. But who knows.

I don't really want MrBomb on the team because he's made some bad choices that could compromise things. He started TES2 sign-ups prematurely (more than once, I think) when he didn't even really have the right to host. I mean I'm not going to condemn him forever for that, but I think he still has some maturing to do to make good choices that will contribute properly to the team.

I support the moderately high Libra placements, though I feel like Libra is going to try to gain control in Chimera from the inside after they get onto various of our teams. I hope it'll just be "try."

If we're going to pick anyone from Cancer, I agree that Spike would be the best pick. Sometimes I even forget he's ON Cancer. He's better than PirateKirby because he's shown more loyalty to Brown/Mango in TES1.

Aquarius is placed fine. And I guess we can spy on them if they try to do anything weird... provided they actually still use their quicktopic. *shrug*

I love how you put Inception at the very bottom, even after the X'd people you know we aren't getting.

In Limbo, I fully support Dahaka at the top, since he seems down with eliminating inactives regardless of their team, and Gemini is people who are mostly active.

I like Mystic up there too, especially after seeing the recent Libra quicktopic posts. Provided Mystic doesn't actually quit the game or get kicked for inactivity, he'll be a good inactive to get out, and Dahaka would agree in getting him out rather than worry about getting out Gemini people so quickly.

Raka and Amp seem fine, although Kefi's relationship with Amp (if I'm understanding it correctly) might make it worthwhile to put Amp above Raka. But maybe you have some kind of relationship with Raka? Idk..

Toon is an acceptable member of the team. It would be nice if (through no fault of neo-Gemini) Inception ends up eliminated quickly after the merge. Then our capability of working with Toon would drastically increase. But regardless, keeping cancer off the team might be beneficial, for cancer is our easiest continual enemy, and we can't be friends with all 4 other teams.

The other Libra people seem okay in their placement in limbo. They will likely keep using their quicktopic, so that'll be useful to us whether or not they're on our team. I agree with Scarecrow being the bottom of those Libras though... because he's strange. Have you ever seen him posting on CE? Yeah,... strange.

I guess Jake is on the bottom just because we don't want too many cancers on our team, and we might already get Spike and possibly Toon so we don't want Cancer thinking they have a foothold on our team. That makes sense.

Onto ophiuchus, I should comment how pathetically hilarious it is that the team only contains 5 people... and also that Mayochete presumably are not even checking Ophichus for activity. Hopefully they'll do Team Air more like my second Invisible Team.. in other words, hopefully they'll actually force such players to participate a bit and remain interested in the game. I would've done that with the original invisible team as well had I thought about it in Week 1 of my game.

Anyway, I really don't care about the order on Ophiuchus, other than that Ice_Scorpio should be at the bottom (after Baruch and I wrongly accused him of being Itachi at the beginning of the game) and the Cancers should be immediately above Ice_Scorpio but still at the bottom of everyone else. I'm not sure why you have unsthable on the bottom and I haven't even a clue what team that guy was originally on. Well, I could check my archives, but I honestly don't care enough.
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Choco
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I don't really like the name Terra because there's already a player called Terra Ghaleon.

How about...Diamond?
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radman9000

Make sure you put exactly which element you want in the PM and put whatever name along with that
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Dreamwalker
May 21 2014, 06:50 PM
This is, of course, assuming that Mayochete is still even doing Dominance and Shame. He did say that they were "no more" recently. Idk if that means they can or can't come back.
now, i could be wrong, but i interpreted that as it's just gone during this one challenge.
he was still describing how the numbers part worked

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First twist... Dominance, Safety, Nothing and Shame are all out of play.
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Choco
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Yeah Dream you should stop taking drugs. I actually thought I had missed something when you said that, but nope, you're just being silly
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When I put quotes around "no more," I was paraphrasing.... apparently.....

Anyway, the "out of play" is still arguably ambiguous. It probably just meant out of play for that one challenge, but it could've possibly meant out of play forever. We'll have to wait to find out for sure.
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I also think it means just for that challenge
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Dreamwalker
May 22 2014, 03:21 PM
Anyway, the "out of play" is still arguably ambiguous. It probably just meant out of play for that one challenge, but it could've possibly meant out of play forever. We'll have to wait to find out for sure.
if he had just said Dominance and Shame, you'd might have a case there.

but he also included Safety and Nothing.
which doesn't really leave much else left.

not without completely changing how the game works entirely, anyway
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I see.
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Was not expecting to lose Matt.

I wonder how he'll far over on Shock's team (because I'm sure "Shock's Team" is what it'll become).
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So apparently the stealing of Matt wasn't even intentional.
I had sent him a PM awhile before the update asking what CoolJamz's plans were and asking if he could stay away from Gemini.

Re: Plans?

Sorry, I just got this. I literally just put my two team members at the top of my list and used a randomizer for the others since we didn't really know anyone. I hope I didn't mess up your team.

Again, sorry for not replying sooner.

Sent by: DrCoolJamz1 on 5/23/2014 9:42:51 AM


Something tells me CoolJamz isn't going to be the leader on his team (Inferno).
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if anyone is still reading this place.

Jet trying to take over Kefis moves after i explicitly told him not to and screwing it up kind of pissed me off.

if we end up losing this, i'm gonna vote for him, i want him gone.
messing up is one thing, but i told him i ahd it covered and he completely ignored it.

he's an ex Sagittarius, and sent him right into another ex Sagittarius.
could it have been on purpose?
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I don't know if it was on purpose, and I don't know if it would necessarily warrant voting him out should we lose, but that was definitely a stupid and annoying move by Jet. You declared that you were going to move for Kefi in the main topic and on the team forum, and he seemingly ignored it both places.
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To be fair to Jet, Rob left some room open after his first post on the forum in that he allowed for objections or whatever. I forget hid exact wording.

But Jet's objections was still a bit ridiculous, especially since h himself left room open in his wording.

Jet is kind of annoying and is probably feeling like he deserves a lot more power in the game than his has. He might feel jaded by Gemini not elevating him to the top of the thing and not understand properly that we're all decent players here.

Depending on how his behavior continues, I may be willing to vote him out, but right now I'd prefer to vote out Mystic since Mystic is being inactive fodder.
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Yeah, Mystic is probably gonna get kicked either way teh first time, whethere we vote for him or not.

but i want Jet to atleast be the second one out whenever that happens.
(sometimes i have a tendency to hold a grudge when i feel someone wronged me)
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For the record, what I said to Jet and people on the Quake forum was just for good team atmosphere. As long as you guys don't go completely inactive (like mystic), I'm going to keep you guys over the non-Gemini no matter how useful or non-useful the non-Gemini are in challenges.
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>______________>



can we please vote out echo
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Well, Choco, considering Mystic likely won't vote the next time we face elimination, I suppose there is no harm in you voting "Echo" then, and no one will ever know.
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Context needed.


If it's not provided I'll just continue imagining that Dream did a dictator-y motivational apeech.
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I'm on a phone going in and out of 3G on a train, and I'm kind of tired. Too lazy to give you context.
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Jun 3 2014, 04:00 PM
Context needed.


If it's not provided I'll just continue imagining that Dream did a dictator-y motivational apeech.
that's exactly what he did
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what did Echo/Pronouncemyname do to make you want to vote him out?

unrelated.
in the interest of the full Chimera alliance, if we do intend to keep all parties on equal levels as much as possible, it might have been a...not bad, but not very good idea to say on the Quake forum that we got a non-agression pact with Platinum.

cause now, it will look really strange to the non-geminis if we steal from Platinum when we get dominance, or if they steal from us.
so we're kind of stuck having to steal from Vortex over and over again. and they won't like that.

this is of course assuming we were meant to share the Safety Stealing equally.

EDIT: and, of course, assuming that we care at all what the non-Chimeras think
Edited by ROBANN_88, Jun 6 2014, 07:17 PM.
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Yeah I dunno

It kinda came up after the last two challenges, where we collaborated with Quake (avoiding crashing & using that sniper arrow) plus we decided not to steal from you twice. People outside of Chimera were asking stuff like "Are we going to be working with Quake now?" and I figured it would be better to kinda make it official myself than to leave it up to people who weren't in the know and may have messed things up even more

I agree it's not a great situation to be in but we can probably figure something out
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We can always steal from each other once for the sake of appearances, it's not we both don't have some meat shields.
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Jun 6 2014, 06:25 PM
what did Echo/Pronouncemyname do to make you want to vote him out?
me: state your numbers so the rest doesn't have to check the list every damn time
him: *posts the list*

and then he f***ing continued to talk without using numbers (when literally everyone else had already gotten the gist) because f*** doing something completely reasonable to waste less of people's time.
he's a f***ing idiot.
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This board is so barren now.

Anyway, I never did ban Matt from here and Chimera, but he also hasn't visited since May 5th, so I'm not sure it matters. Still, if you guys think I should ban him (from either board) I can do that.

In terms of our Chimera relations, we still seem to be in somewhat good shape with them. I kind of thought it would all fail before now, but I'm glad it's helped us coast by without losses for awhile (other than Matt). I think we should keep it going awhile longer.

I'm not entirely sure what to do if we do eventually end up with only chimera in the game though. Scorpio and Taurus could outnumber us. Then again, even if they group together and work hard against us, I think the numbers work out to where several of us will still make it to the individuals, and then the rules change to Big Brother stuff where we could control the game even without the numbers maybe. Of course that's assuming everything actually sticks together until then. We're still a few bridges away right now.

Anyway, just wanted to make a post because the board looked so empty. :(
Edited by Dreamwalker, Jun 20 2014, 11:50 AM.
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just ban him >_> from both
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"Notice: matt314hew banned indefinitely."
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Found something interesting in the Quake admin control panel when changing stuff to pacific time....

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Did you really tell apple where our forum was, Choco, or did he find it through some other means? Or is that even Apple?
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No, I did not. Please don't make me question your intelligence just because of Apple saying Epona bullshit for the 23458728346598314th time.
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