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Topic Started: May 21 2014, 02:17 AM (604 Views)
Choco
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btw I didn't know you could see our email addresses
>_>
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Sorry. I figured it was worth asking. Maybe I was wrong about that.

Anyway, somebody is at least joking about being Apple and at least trying to make it look like Choco is to blame. Perhaps it's a Quake person since it was only on Quake's board?
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Choco
Jun 21 2014, 03:43 AM
btw I didn't know you could see our email addresses
>_>
If it makes you feel better, I don't generally pay attention to them and currently have no recollection of what yours was.
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I find that bothersome, as someone on Quake has potentially tried to leak info outside. Plus, the fact that it's Apple means it's someone from TES1, as the newbies barely know him.
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Why wouldn't Apple try to make an account here then?

I think the most likely case (though I'm not asserting it as true) is tha Jet leaked the board URL to his friend on Yggdrasil and then Apple (or someone pretending to be Apple) got the URL through the grapevine.
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Is it possible he just guessed the board URL?
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He'd have to know w11 would be the server, but it is possible he guessed.

And again, it's still quite possible it's not even Apple. Could be a fake "Apple."
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Kirbymuncher
Jun 21 2014, 07:04 PM
Is it possible he just guessed the board URL?
I really doubt it. Not only he doesn't know we are using Zetaboards, not only Zetaboards has different servers, but the name isn't directly "Team Gemini" or something like that.

It was definitely a leak.




And even if it isn't Apple, I still find it weird that someone would do it as a joke.
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ArchangelBaruch
Jun 22 2014, 06:49 AM
the name isn't directly "Team Gemini" or something like that
how do you know

>_>

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Well all the zetaboards I've got right now (Gemini, Platinum and Chimera) are all w11 so it's possible that having another zetaboard would help you guess this one... Then again considering the countless possible name options I'd say it's pretty unlikely for the rest of the url to be guessed unless you really did pick something obvious
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ArchangelBaruch
Jun 22 2014, 06:49 AM
Kirbymuncher
Jun 21 2014, 07:04 PM
Is it possible he just guessed the board URL?
I really doubt it. Not only he doesn't know we are using Zetaboards, not only Zetaboards has different servers, but the name isn't directly "Team Gemini" or something like that.

It was definitely a leak.




And even if it isn't Apple, I still find it weird that someone would do it as a joke.
Granted it's not as obscure as "The Hermes Network," but it's not outright obvious either (i.e., it's not just "Team Quake). I guess there's no harm in telling you and Kirby that it's "Earth Kingdom."
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Choco
Jun 22 2014, 06:52 AM
ArchangelBaruch
Jun 22 2014, 06:49 AM
the name isn't directly "Team Gemini" or something like that
how do you know

>_>

<_<
Somewhere in the middle of that train of thought I went from "Quake leak" to "Gemini leak" for some reason.

So I was thinking about The Hermes Network, hence why I said "Team Gemini".
Edited by ArchangelBaruch, Jun 23 2014, 05:25 AM.
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Sorry for the confusion. I just figured it was better to talk about it here than on Quake. No need to cause undue chaos on Quake.
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So apparently there's now an "Itachi" who has attempted to register as well. I think it's the same person as "Apple," and I don't think that person is actually Apple. It might be Itachi or might not. I could investigate since there's really no harm in doing so. Everyone knows Quake has a board somewhere.

Oh yeah, and thanksepona@yahoo.com isn't even a real e-mail address. I tried e-mailing it and got a delivery error. I suspect Itachi's address, thankyoudream@gmail.com, is also not real. (Perhaps I should've turned on Confirmation E-mails if I wanted only legitimate addresses?) Actually... maybe it's not the same person either. It could be Baruch or Kirby trying to play a joke on me since you guys already know about the "Apple" thing.

Hold up.. let me try e-mailing it.

*remembers you don't actually have to hold up because this won't be posted until I'm entirely done typing it*

Yeah, so I didn't get a delivery error from that one, which means it's likely not the same person as "Apple." I'm going to suspect it's Baruch since he seems more likely to do that (and to choose "Itachi" as his name) than Kirby.

Oh, also I realized I put more effort in this than needed. I can see the IP's of the attempted registrations. Okay, well that's surprising. It's actually Choco who registered "Itachi." But it's important to note that the "Apple" IP hasn't been used my any actual members of Quake. Nor has it been used by anyone on Chimera.

Btw, there's still no attempted registrations on Chimera (or Hermes), so presumably this "Apple" still doesn't know about Chimera's board.
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If you want to go full on stalker, this might help you? http://whatismyipaddress.com/ip-lookup
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Dreamwalker
Jun 24 2014, 10:50 AM
Okay, well that's surprising. It's actually Choco who registered "Itachi".
how is that suprising
I thought it was pretty obvious >_>

also please learn how to use punctuation correctly, I had to fix the quote to not get a freaking headache.
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Kirbymuncher
Jun 24 2014, 10:53 AM
If you want to go full on stalker, this might help you? http://whatismyipaddress.com/ip-lookup
That seems like a bit much.

Edit: Did it anyway. Knoxville, Tennessee, USA. Well idk who lives there, but it rules out Mayo and Machete for sure.
Edited by Dreamwalker, Jun 24 2014, 02:00 PM.
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ArchangelBaruch
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Why did you accuse me ;_____;
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Also I just remebered that I'm an admin in the Platinum board, so we can quickly check if it's one of the non-Chimeras.

I'll post the IPs in a few hours when I'm back home, if I don't forget.
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I'm not a big fan of posting IPs or (real) e-mail addresses where everyone can see them.

I'll PM you the IP for you to check.
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Okay, Baruch told me it isn't anyone on Platinum.

Baruch, this may be a longshot, but can you check Scarlet's old forum from TES1?
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Itachi was admin in there, not me.
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Dreamwalker
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Oh... well I don't think we want to ask him. ..right?
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ArchangelBaruch
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I'd say that he's the second most dangerous non-player after Apple, so I don't think we should.
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Though I posted in Quake that I'm sending a $78095 bid for 3C (and tried to make it seem like I don't want other people bidding even for 3C because they might bid too much and not leave us with any $ remaining), I'm actually sending the full $78296 bid.
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this has been a quite interesting read
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Choco
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I guess Apple is back.
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Dreamwalker
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Given how AndShock is saying he is Apple, he probably is also "Apple" and just hiding behind an IP masking thing.
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...Which means someone is leaking directly to Shock from Quake.

And also means that Shock is retarded.
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Shock also jokingly accused Choco (whom he still calls Epona) of being the leaker shortly after the Rooms challenge and said we should vote him out.
That seems to fit with the "thanksepona" e-mail address. He just wanted to blame Choco again.

Also, Shock brought up IP masking to me before, so he's familiar with the practice. And I guess he's also familiar enough with registration to know that a fake e-mail address would work.

Really, it's got to be him. I mean who else on Inferno or Yggdrasil would do all that? Pirate? Maybe. Or could it be someone already voted out? Idk. I'll keep my bet on Shock.
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In fact, now that I'm rather certain Shock lied about not being "Apple", I'm starting to think he also lied about not communicating with dowolf since the merge.

And let me call everyone's attention to a few posts made in the Libra quicktopic around the time of the merge, just in case you guys didn't read or remember them from before...

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Dowolf
05-21-2014
01:38 AM ET (US)
well, saw this coming.

I want to be on everyone's team. At the same time.

You could say I want a merge.

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Link43130
05-20-2014
11:15 PM ET (US)
oh man, secret libra alliance, i love it

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AndShock
05-20-2014
10:50 PM ET (US)
fwiw, i'm willing to work with any of you throughout any phase of the game

my first allegiance will always remain with libra, if you would like to chat at any time i'm on steam, same name on there (andshock)

and may the odds be ever in your favor


This is pretty damning evidence for a Shock/Link/dowolf conspiracy. On the off-chance Libra somehow has a pendant, it might be wise to target both of them at once. In other words, if both Platinum and Quake need to vote someone out this week somehow (though I guess that scenario is unlikely), we'd vote for Link and dowolf.

If Inferno gets Shame (which seems quite possible), Shock may even opt to use this hypothetical pendant on himself, thus making it an easy time to get rid of Link or dowolf, depending on which team has to vote someone out.

I know I _really_ want to get rid of Jet, but if Libra is really still operating a secret alliance, we need to decimate that. Libra is the only team with a significant number of individuals left in the game other than our 3 teams in Chimera.

I'd like to share this "secret Libra alliance" suspicion with Chimera, but unfortunately it's contained within that quicktopic we never shared with them in the past. Would it look bad to suddenly share it now?

Opinions wanted.
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I don't see any harm in sharing the evidence with Chimera. The only drawback I can think of is that some may begin wondering what other intelligence we're keeping to ourselves, but I don't think that's such a big deal. For that reason, I think it's better to share the entire thing as opposed to just the 3 posts in question.

There's no sense in keeping our allies in the dark as to whom our common enemies are.
Edited by Kefiroth, Jun 30 2014, 07:00 PM.
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Well, if we find ourselves against Taurus and/or Scorpio later in the game and they're dumb enough to use quicktopics, our leaking of Libra's topic to them would let them know our ability to circumvent the unique views counter, so that could be harmful to us.

It's just something to consider.

Overall you might be right about showing it to them.
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Jun 30 2014, 07:06 PM
Well, if we find ourselves against Taurus and/or Scorpio later in the game and they're dumb enough to use quicktopics, our leaking of Libra's topic to them would let them know our ability to circumvent the unique views counter, so that could be harmful to us.

It's just something to consider.
Honestly, this resulting in Taurus/Scorpio taking higher security measures for any future discussion forums of theirs is a pretty insignificant worry, IMO.
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Can I get opinions from other people too? (whether you agree or disagree, I just think it's good to talk with more than Kefi)
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I say show it to them, preferably the entire topic. And maybe just link the topic if you don't want them to know about unique viewcount. I don't think we're gonna get much more out of it.

if you're really worried about how they see us having withheld information, pretend you just got access to it recently from a Libra that was eliminated (Have any Libras been eliminated recently?)

there's no reason to let them know we had the link for a long time if you don't want to
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I don't think lying to them about how we've got it or how we'd been viewing it until now will be helpful in the long run. I'd just give them the google doc link.

Would still like another opinion first though, since this is an important issue (or at least I think it's an important issue.. maybe it really isn't).
Edited by Dreamwalker, Jun 30 2014, 09:24 PM.
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I'm a bit hesitant about sharing the Libra QT. I doubt they'd like knowing how long we've had it, and I'm not sure we could come up with a good lie for why we recently got it. It might be easier to just keep that to ourselves, unless we absolutely have to reveal it. Just my two cents.

Speaking of which, I have a new hunch that Echo/Pronouncemyname has been leaking info to Ygg, specifically Amplefy. They were originally teammates, and I remember a conversation I had with Amplefy a while ago in which he called Pronounce his closest ally in the game, so they're most likely still communicating. Plus, his last post was saying he doesn't believe there's a leak on Quake. Totally (possibly) guilty.
Edited by Cody11533, Jun 30 2014, 10:00 PM.
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I guess since Platinum is getting rid of Link regardless, we don't really benefit any from showing them the quicktopic. So if you suspect they'd be worried if we showed them, perhaps we should abstain on showing them, at least for now. (If anyone else on Gemini has an opinion, you can still voice it.)

I think the Libra alliance is a little more likely than the Aries alliance you're proposing, Cody, since we actually have evidence that Libra at least at one point planned to secretly stick together. But idunno. You could be right.
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Jun 30 2014, 05:34 PM
Shock also jokingly accused Choco (whom he still calls Epona) of being the leaker shortly after the Rooms challenge and said we should vote him out.
I don't really understand what his goal was in telling you that. all it translates to is "I'M AN IDIOT PLEASE DON'T EVER TRUST ME"

...unless he is so stupid that he actually thought he might be successful which is entirely possible
Edited by Choco, Jul 1 2014, 11:50 AM.
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Jun 30 2014, 10:09 PM
I think the Libra alliance is a little more likely than the Aries alliance you're proposing, Cody, since we actually have evidence that Libra at least at one point planned to secretly stick together. But idunno. You could be right.
I don't really see the difference between sticking together and being allied
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the emphasis was on "planned", not "stick"
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Choco
Jul 1 2014, 11:44 AM
...unless he is so stupid that he actually thought he might be successful which is entirely possible
lol

For his own sake, I hope not.
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Here's how Team Gemini is currently split:

Ivory - Cody, Kefi, Kirbymuncher
Ebony - Baruch, Choco, Dream, Radman, Rob

So while Ivory has the better Chimera numbers, Ebony actually has the better Gemini numbers.
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I was reading "numbers" as "members" and I thought "well, that's nice of him saying they are the best". Then the second part of the sentence kind of didn't make sense.
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lol
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has radman read your ebony forum PM yet?
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No.

A radman never reads PMs early or late. He reads them precisely when he intends to.
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This forum is so dead.

Maybe we should talk about which people on non-Chimera are most likely to be able to turn Taurus and Scorpio on us prematurely in the Final 20 or something. And then when an elimination comes we can go to Chimera and advocate for splitting the vote on the two non-Chimeras on that team that we most want out?
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Or maybe we can just not talk about anything. Fine. :<

Anyway, in case you're wondering about what I said on Chimera about dropping Radman if Ebony loses a fifth player from what we have now, no, I'm not serious. I would of course prefer to keep Radman around and we'd vote out a Taurus. Well, unless that would put Kefi, Kirby, and Cody in too much danger on Ivory. But I think if we get to the point that we're voting out people on Chimera, there won't be long left until the merge anyway. We could always lose an additional competition on Ebony and get rid of a 6th person if it's needed to help Gemini survive intact to the merge.
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