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| Week 27; Super Effective! a.k.a elements | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 3 2014, 10:09 AM (564 Views) | |
| ROBANN_88 | Oct 3 2014, 10:09 AM Post #1 |
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Fire beats Grass, Ice, Bug, Steel, and Fairy Water beats Fire, Ground, Rock, Ice, and Steel Electric beats Water, Flying, and Steel Grass beats Water, Ground, Rock, and Electric Ice beats Grass, Ground, Flying, and Dragon Fighting beats Ice, Rock, Dark, and Steel Poison beats Grass, Fairy, Fighting, and Bug Ground beats, Fire, Electric, Poison, Rock, and Steel Flying beats Grass, Fighting, Bug, and Ground Psychic beats Fighting and Poison Bug beats Grass, Psychic, Dark, and Ground Rock beats Fire, Ice, Flying, Bug, and Poison Ghost beats Psychic, Poison, Bug, and Fighting Dragon beats Fire, Water, Electric, and Grass Dark beats Psychic and Ghost Steel beats Ice, Rock, Fairy, Grass, Flying, Psychic, Bug, Dragon, and Poison Fairy beats Fighting, Dragon, Dark, and Bug Edited by ROBANN_88, Oct 8 2014, 08:35 AM.
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| Kefiroth | Oct 3 2014, 02:44 PM Post #2 |
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*funeral dirge* I'm a ghost type now. Edited by Kefiroth, Oct 3 2014, 02:45 PM.
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| Kirbymuncher | Oct 3 2014, 03:03 PM Post #3 |
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You're an Ex-Kefiroth <____< (I'll post some thoughts on this challenge later, just didn't want to get beaten to this dumb joke) |
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| Kirbymuncher | Oct 3 2014, 04:08 PM Post #4 |
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Beats 2 things Psychic beats Fighting and Poison Dark beats Psychic and Ghost Beats 3 things Electric beats Water, Flying, and Steel Poison beats Grass, Fairy, and Fighting Beats 4 things Grass beats Water, Ground, Rock, and Electric Ice beats Grass, Ground, Flying, and Dragon Fighting beats Ice, Rock, Dark, and Steel Flying beats Grass, Fighting, Bug, and Ground Bug beats Grass, Psychic, Dark, and Ground Ghost beats Psychic, Poison, Bug, and Fighting Dragon beats Fire, Water, Electric, and Grass Fairy beats Fighting, Dragon, Dark, and Bug Beats 5 things Fire beats Grass, Ice, Bug, Steel, and Fairy Water beats Fire, Ground, Rock, Ice, and Steel Ground beats Fire, Electric, Poison, Rock, and Steel Rock beats Fire, Ice, Flying, Bug, and Poison Beats 9 things Steel beats Ice, Rock, Fairy, Grass, Flying, Psychic, Bug, Dragon, and Poison Loses to 1 thing Ghost Loses to 3 things Water Electric Dragon Dark Fairy Loses to 4 things Fire Flying Psychic Loses to 5 things Ice Fighting Poison Ground Rock Steel Loses to 6 things Bug Loses to 7 things Grass Tried to sort out the various elements by how many things they beat, and a separate list of how many things they lose to. The things that jump out at me right away are that dark is the only thing which beats ghost (though it doesn't beat much else), steel beats a ton more things than the next best, and water seems like one of the best overall choices in terms of safety and beating things. |
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| Choco | Oct 4 2014, 06:13 AM Post #5 |
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But what if mayo is a genwunner. Then Psychic beats everything. |
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| Kirbymuncher | Oct 4 2014, 06:33 AM Post #6 |
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Actually, it would beat two things (fighting, poison) and lose to one (bug). Which is significantly worse than what ghost does here. Starting with anything that loses to steel seems like a bad idea to me. Also I feel like starting dark is a bad idea since it's the only thing that will beat ghost. Other than that, it's mostly just levels of counter-prediction . |
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| ArchangelBaruch | Oct 4 2014, 10:58 AM Post #7 |
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I would propose stuff to vote, but it went catastrophically bad the last time I did so I think I'm going to be in the sidelines. |
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| ROBANN_88 | Oct 4 2014, 04:21 PM Post #8 |
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so, is there a reason that cody and Cocainus picked the same thing, or just coincidence? |
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| Choco | Oct 5 2014, 04:01 AM Post #9 |
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considering they picked a non-crappy type that would win against steel... |
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| Choco | Oct 5 2014, 04:02 AM Post #10 |
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as for us, rob, we should probably go with grass |
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| ROBANN_88 | Oct 5 2014, 04:24 AM Post #11 |
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yes, i completely agree with that. if we're lucky, one of us will be picked to sit out before we go three times in a row |
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| Cody11533 | Oct 5 2014, 04:14 PM Post #12 |
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That was a coincidence. I'm no turncoat! I was gone all weekend, so I sent in a tentative move on Friday, and somehow we ended up picking the same type. |
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| Choco | Oct 6 2014, 03:00 AM Post #13 |
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this time I think either bug because it sucks or fire because the others have already used up a lot of things fire's good against |
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| ROBANN_88 | Oct 6 2014, 03:47 AM Post #14 |
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i was 85% joking about it being on purpose |
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| Choco | Oct 6 2014, 04:08 AM Post #15 |
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rob bug or fire |
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| ROBANN_88 | Oct 6 2014, 08:02 AM Post #16 |
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let's go with Bug, as it loses to more things than Fire. and if we still have Fire, they'll be more apprehensive to use Steel later on |
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| ROBANN_88 | Oct 6 2014, 09:11 AM Post #17 |
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just wanna write down my thoughts while i still have them fresh. now we're at round 3. so FvP, hapexamendios and Swiftblade in rank 0 are stuck in a great loop of ties for a while, with a different person sitting out every time. it will only be at round 7 that we'll see any kind of results there. due to the Sitting Out rule, me and choco will tie eachother now, and won't have to face eachother next time cause it's only me, him and Cody who haven't sat out yet, and Cody will be either eliminated or in rank 2 all by himself by the end of this round (unless they tie) so at round four, while one sits out, either me or Choco will face lucky and whoever wins that goes up to rank 2 and face one of Cody/Dragon in round 5-7 depending on purposefully tie or not, while one of us (me or choco) stays alone and won't have to face anyone until round 8 when whoever wins of FVP, hapex and Swift moves up to rank 1, and one of them is still stuck alone in rank 0. and after that, there are too many variables for me to organize my thoughts in to a coherent text |
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| ArchangelBaruch | Oct 6 2014, 11:03 AM Post #18 |
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The more players we get to higher ranks the better. It means non-Gemini will have to burn through their reserves to reach us. When someone reaches level 2 it would be a good idea to evaluate what our potential opponents have as elements to burn through what isn't useful. |
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| Choco | Oct 6 2014, 11:35 AM Post #19 |
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alright |
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| ROBANN_88 | Oct 6 2014, 01:09 PM Post #20 |
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the problem is that when there are two of us in the same rank, we are forced to fight each other. granted, so are they, but they currently have the numbers on us. but we can't really do anything else but just win as much as possible Edited by ROBANN_88, Oct 6 2014, 01:47 PM.
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| Choco | Oct 8 2014, 02:39 AM Post #21 |
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I love how cody is wrecking everyone's shit |
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| Cody11533 | Oct 8 2014, 07:10 PM Post #22 |
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I'm not sure I'd call 2 wins wrecking everyone's shit. I like the enthusiasm though. |
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| Choco | Oct 9 2014, 01:47 AM Post #23 |
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guys, make sure to save ghost for when you fight swift or hapex, who already used up dark |
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| ROBANN_88 | Oct 9 2014, 03:47 AM Post #24 |
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i can't decide what to pick against lucky. |
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| Choco | Oct 9 2014, 10:58 AM Post #25 |
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fixed poison -> bug |
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| Choco | Oct 10 2014, 09:24 AM Post #26 |
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holy shit we might actually win. |
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| ArchangelBaruch | Oct 10 2014, 10:53 AM Post #27 |
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This goes without saying, but in the case you beat FvP and the last rank 2 players are Gemini, things can easily be stalled and rigged so that the elements of the one remaining beat the ones hapex will have left. |
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| ROBANN_88 | Oct 10 2014, 11:09 AM Post #28 |
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well, if Choco comes up to rank 2 with us, he and i can't tie again since we've already tied against each other twice, we have to let one of us win, or we both get eliminated |
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| Dreamwalker | Oct 10 2014, 11:14 AM Post #29 |
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I hope he beats FvP. I didn't realize Cody up there could outrig Hapex doen there. |
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| ROBANN_88 | Oct 10 2014, 11:16 AM Post #30 |
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so, Cody. got any preference on what element to pick right now? |
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| ArchangelBaruch | Oct 10 2014, 11:28 AM Post #31 |
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I somehow missed that rule for not being listed with the others. |
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| Cody11533 | Oct 10 2014, 02:55 PM Post #32 |
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I haven't looked at it yet, but we should drop whichever element is most useless against FvP and Hapex. I'm going to check that out right now. |
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| Cody11533 | Oct 10 2014, 03:26 PM Post #33 |
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Offensively, Psychic is useless against FvP and only beats Hapex's Fighting. Posion also loses to 5/4 of their things respectively, and only beats FvP's Fairy. Either of those would probably be best. |
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| Choco | Oct 10 2014, 03:30 PM Post #34 |
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wat Hapex hasn't used up anything that would lose to Poison |
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| ROBANN_88 | Oct 10 2014, 07:51 PM Post #35 |
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let's do Psychic, then |
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| Cody11533 | Oct 10 2014, 07:58 PM Post #36 |
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OK, I'll send in Psychic. |
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| Kefiroth | Oct 10 2014, 11:39 PM Post #37 |
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I have no idea how this challenge works, but I'm rooting for you guys. |
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| ROBANN_88 | Oct 11 2014, 06:14 PM Post #38 |
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alright, one more time then. i'm leaning towards going with Ice, cause they have both already used it, and they have already used 2 and 1 things respectively that it beats |
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| Cody11533 | Oct 12 2014, 10:21 AM Post #39 |
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Ice sounds good. |
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| ROBANN_88 | Oct 12 2014, 02:31 PM Post #40 |
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i just realized that i have already used Ice. you keep Ice, and i'll go with Poison instead, cause they are neautral against each other, and they have both used that one too |
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| Kirbymuncher | Oct 12 2014, 06:08 PM Post #41 |
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Beats nothing: Flying Poison Beats 1 thing Ghost beats Psychic Fire beats Steel Beats 2 things Dark beats Psychic and Ghost Fairy beats Dragon, Dark Rock beats Fire, Flying Beats 3 things Fighting beats Rock, Dark, and Steel Water beats Fire, Rock, and Steel Electric beats Water, Flying, and Steel Beats 4 things Ground beats Fire, Electric, Rock, and Steel Steel beats Rock, Flying, Psychic, Dragon Loses to nothing Dark Loses to 1 thing Ghost loses to Dark Electric loses to Dragon Loses to 2 things Water loses to Electric, Dragon Fairy loses to Fire, and Steel Ground loses to Flying, and Water Rock loses to Water, and Steel Loses to 3 things Fire loses to Dragon, Water, and Rock Flying loses to Electric, Rock, and Steel Fighting loses to Psychic, Flying, Ghost Steel loses to Electric, Fire, Water Loses to 4 things Poison loses to Psychic, Ghost, Rock, and Steel Recounted some stuff, removing all the elements FvP has already used from the list. Poison and flying don't seem too useful at this point, while ground, electric and water all seem like solid choices |
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| Choco | Oct 12 2014, 11:53 PM Post #42 |
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well fuck, I messed up not this round, I still think Fighting was a solid choice, but last round where I went with Ghost to "play it safe" I didn't realize until right after the update that I was effectively robbing you of one of your ties god dammit Edited by Choco, Oct 12 2014, 11:54 PM.
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| ROBANN_88 | Oct 13 2014, 04:20 AM Post #43 |
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one of us has to lose. is anyone seeing any strategic value of one over the other? |
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| Cody11533 | Oct 13 2014, 10:45 AM Post #44 |
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I'm at school right now and don't have time to check. Whoever is set up with better elements against FvP should go on, although we should check against Hapex too just in case he goes on an improbable run. I might have time to check later, but no promises. I have a big test tomorrow that I need to cram for. |
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| ROBANN_88 | Oct 13 2014, 01:42 PM Post #45 |
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i just worked on the calculations i have 21 possible combos to defeat FVP. Cody has 19 i have 26 possible combos to defeat hapex. Cody has 31 FVP has 19 possible combos to defeat me. He has 22 to defeat Cody hapex has 25 possible combos to defeat me. he has 28 to defeat Cody it's very close, but if we are going by statistics, i should be the one to move on i'm sending in Flying before i go to bed, as that one is completely useless against FVP. if you agree to this, you should send in Ground |
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| ArchangelBaruch | Oct 13 2014, 03:03 PM Post #46 |
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If the Math is right (haven't checked) yes, it makes sense that you win. |
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| ROBANN_88 | Oct 13 2014, 03:23 PM Post #47 |
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i can post my chart if you want |
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| ROBANN_88 | Oct 13 2014, 03:38 PM Post #48 |
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eh, i'll post it anyway. might be good for second opinions on probability statistics. i made this very basic, so i don't know if the format works well in a forum post. here you see the full list of what beats what, and what it gets beaten by, only counting what is still in play. to explain it, i'll use the first line as an example FVP has Fire. among what me an/or Cody still has left, Fire beats Steel and Fairy i have one thing that can be beaten by Fire, while Cody has two, signified by the R1 and C2 then, on the right, Fire is beaten by our Water, Ground and Rock. both me an Cody have all three of those, signified by R3 and C3 at the bottom of FVPs section you'll see the added total of things that he can beat on the left, R19 means he can beat me with 19 combos. and on the bottom right is how many combos that i can beat him with in total, shown by R21 and of course, down in our section, our Fire beats Grass, Bug, Steel, and Fairy. FVP has one of those, and Hapex has four, shown by F1 and H4 FVP Fire beats Fairy----------------------------------------------------R1-----------Fire loses to Water, Ground------------------------------------------R2-- Water beats Fire, Ground--------------------------------------------R2-----------Water loses to Electric----------------------------------------------R1-- Electric beats Water------------------------------------------------R1-----------Electric loses to Ground---------------------------------------------R1-- Flying beats Fighting, and Ground-----------------------------------R2-----------Flying loses to Electric---------------------------------------------R1-- Ghost beats Fighting -----------------------------------------------R1-----------Ghost loses to Dark--------------------------------------------------R1-- Dragon beats Fire, Water, Electric----------------------------------R3-----------Dragon loses to Fairy------------------------------------------------R1-- Dark beats Ghost----------------------------------------------------R1-----------Dark loses to Fighting, and Fairy------------------------------------R2-- Steel beats Fairy --------------------------------------------------R1-----------Steel loses to Electric, Fighting, Fire, Water, and Ground-----------R5-- --------------------------------------------------------------------R12------------------------------------------------------------------------------R14-- hapex Water beats Fire, Ground--------------------------------------------R2-----------Water loses to Electric----------------------------------------------R1-- Grass beats Water, Ground, and Electric-----------------------------R3-----------Grass loses to Fire--------------------------------------------------R1-- Fighting beats Dark ------------------------------------------------R1-----------Fighting loses to Ghost, and Fairy-----------------------------------R2-- Ground beats, Fire, Electric----------------------------------------R2-----------Ground loses to Water------------------------------------------------R1-- Rock beats Fire ----------------------------------------------------R1-----------Rock loses to Fighting, Water, Ground -------------------------------R3-- Dragon beats Fire, Water, Electric----------------------------------R3-----------Dragon loses to Fairy -----------------------------------------------R1-- Steel beats Fairy --------------------------------------------------R1-----------Steel loses to Electric, Fighting, Fire, Water, and Ground-----------R5-- Fairy beats Fighting, Dark------------------------------------------R2-----------Fairy loses to Fire -------------------------------------------------R1-- --------------------------------------------------------------------R15-------------------------------------------------------------------------------R15-- ROB Fire beats Grass, Steel, and Fairy----------------------------------F1---H3---------Fire loses to Dragon, Water, Ground, and Rock-----------------------F2---H4 Water beats Fire, Ground, Rock, and Steel---------------------------F2---H3---------Water loses to Electric, Dragon, and Grass--------------------------F2---H2 Electric beats Water, Flying, and Steel-----------------------------F3---H2---------Electric loses to Grass, Dragon, and Ground-------------------------F1---H3 Fighting beats Rock, Dark, and Steel--------------------------------F2---H2---------Fighting loses to Flying, Ghost, and Fairy--------------------------F2---H1 Ground beats Fire, Electric, Rock, and Steel------------------------F3---H2---------Ground loses to Grass, Flying, and Water----------------------------F2---H2 Ghost beats Fighting------------------------------------------------F0---H1---------Ghost loses to Dark-------------------------------------------------F1---H0 Dark beats Ghost----------------------------------------------------F1---H0---------Dark loses to Fighting, and Fairy-----------------------------------F0---H2 Fairy beats Fighting, Dragon, Dark----------------------------------F2---H2---------Fairy loses to Fire, and Steel-------------------------------------F2---H1 --------------------------------------------------------------------F14--H15----------------------------------------------------------------------------F12--H15 Edited by ROBANN_88, Oct 15 2014, 12:44 PM.
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| Cody11533 | Oct 13 2014, 04:45 PM Post #49 |
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That sounds like our best bet, I'll choose Ground. Godspeed, Rob. |
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| Choco | Oct 14 2014, 12:12 AM Post #50 |
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good thing your names all start with different letters. otherwise this would never have been possible |
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